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Topic: Ring on Brandy Sniffer
Message: Posted by: Sir Pat-Trick (Jun 15, 2008 10:38PM)
I am thinking of using this effect and was wondering people's thoughts on it. The good and the bad.
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Jun 16, 2008 01:04AM)
Can you explain the effect I have not heard of this \
vinny
Message: Posted by: mmreed (Jun 16, 2008 09:34AM)
Ring on Brandy Glass
A borrowed ring is tossed at a brandy sniffer and instantly, it links onto the stem of the glass. The only way to remove it is to smash the glass.
No brandy glass refills to worry about. You break the glass at each performance yet you can use it over and over again! A new principle in magic that will even fool you.

This comes complete with the Brandy Glass and detailed instructions explaining three routines.

NOTE: You do not need a Himber ring to do this routine. The borrowed ring actually links onto the stem.

The easiest and most amazing version you'll ever see. A great ending to a Himber Ring routine or you can incorporate it into your own routine. Bruce Kalver has come up with the easiest, most direct version of this effect and it's so easy to do!

I have sold a few of these on magicvault.net and the effect has received pretty good feed back. Just make sure you get the original Bruce Kalver one.
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Jun 16, 2008 10:21AM)
Mark thank you for the details can yuou send me a link ... vinsmagic@aol;.com
vinny
Message: Posted by: mmreed (Jun 16, 2008 01:35PM)
Vinny,

I sent you an email with the link. Thank you my friend!
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Jun 16, 2008 04:07PM)
Thank you Mark. Got it very interesting. I emailed you.
vinny
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jun 16, 2008 06:56PM)
Mmreed. Your description is a bit simplistic, as it doesn't really work the way you describe. You can all see the REAL WORK on this in the August 2007 issue of Genii. The original effect was created by yours truly for Fred Kaps, who did it on TV in England and Europe.
Message: Posted by: mmreed (Jun 16, 2008 11:02PM)
Pete,

The description was taken right from the supplier website that was printed up and is the effect by Bruce Kalver. Not sure if Bruce modified the one you created, or what - that would be an issue between you and Bruce.... but I would be interested in knowing if it is indeed the same effect. Please let us know if it is.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jun 17, 2008 12:07PM)
If you read the August Genii, the full story and several handlings are included.
Originally, I had the idea and was working on different ways to do it one-man. And in 1980 in a session with Fred Kaps I gave it to him. What he did on TV was fabulous. No fiddling, no tells. Borrowed ring vanished while he was working behind a bar with a man and woman watching. It was the man's ring.
The ring was tied to a cord an put into a ring box with ends of cord hanging down. Spec's hold ends, box opened ring gone. (Clifton ring move).

Then he chatted a bit and said something like, "Oh I forgot your drinks." He pours one for lady, then brings out a glass to pour for the man... and the borrowed ring is on the stem.

He placed the glass down covered with a napkin and with a small mallet broke the glass and returned the ring.

That presentation used a hidden helper but could have been done solo, but why when it is faster/cleaner to have assistance?

I don't know the date of Kalvar's version or his inspiration. It is clever but without looking it up there were some drawbacks IN MY OPINION.

When Genii did the cover story and wanted tricks I decide that it was time to pudt mine in print... and to "get it back" came up with a couple of improvements to the handling using Kalvar's thinking re the gimmick. I don't know who the other person is, but somone else marketed a copy of Kalvar's routine, using TALLER glasses. What a change????

Paul Gertner's ring on hourglass was inspired by hearing and maybe seeing Kaps' presntation of my effect. (Paul told me this himself... and his item is fabulous).
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Jun 17, 2008 05:13PM)
The Kalver gimmick is the only one I've seen commercially available. I believe that's what the original post was asking. Does anyone have this version for a review?
cheerz
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jun 17, 2008 11:08PM)
Mmread: Is there a link to the site? I can't believe it says "A borrowed ring is tossed at a brandy sniffer and instantly, it links onto the stem of the glass."
Message: Posted by: PaulGreen (Jun 18, 2008 10:41AM)
Hi Pete and others,

I was lucky enough to actually be part of the audience during the Kaps show. Needless to say, the routine is just as Pete describes. It was a KILLER!!!!!

Enjoy the search.

Regards,

Paul Green
Message: Posted by: phillipsje (Jun 18, 2008 01:00PM)
Pete,

I found the effect at Hocus-Pocus.com. Under product search I put in Brandy.

Jeff
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jun 18, 2008 01:29PM)
I found the link and the quote. I bought this when it first came out as I was "curious" -- unfortunately the video that came with it got tangled and I can't play it. With the props inhand I cannot see how yu could just borrow a ring and toss it into the glass and have it link. You could do it under cover (as I have done)... and a few other ways, but with lots of skill and GUTS and a switch early on (or a vanish).

Kalver's prop is excellent by the way.

Posted: Jun 19, 2008 2:16pm
A couple of ERRORS CREPT IN. In my above post I said 1980... it should have read 1970 (ten more years earlier)... And I have misspelled Bruce Kalver's name as Kalvar... to which I apologize.

Also, I would suggest if you are interested in the trick buy his version and work up your own handling and routine. Also check the August 2007 Genii for the full story and two unique handlings.
Message: Posted by: mmreed (Jun 19, 2008 02:21PM)
Thanks for the GREAT info Pete! its always good to know the linage of an effect that is commercially released.

Much appreciated!
Message: Posted by: TheAmazingDamon (May 15, 2009 11:00PM)
I just bought this effect myself and I am a bit disappointed in the fact the glass has to be hidden in order to have the spectator's ring appear on it.

Does anyone have any creative ideas. I was hoping to be able to cover it with a silk to get a borrowed ring on it but it does not seem to be the case.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (May 16, 2009 12:50AM)
DAmon, get the August 2008 Genii and see how I do a couple of versions without any cover. Just misdirection and handling.
Message: Posted by: TheAmazingDamon (May 16, 2009 01:19AM)
I'll try to find one. thanks
Message: Posted by: TrickyRicky (May 16, 2009 06:04AM)
Hi Pete.
Was that August 2007 or 2008 issue.
TrickyRicky
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (May 16, 2009 12:03PM)
August 2007 Genii... go to the Genii forum and you can order a copy.
Message: Posted by: Hansel (May 16, 2009 05:30PM)
Ring on Brandy Sniffer is great but the card in Balloon is out of this world!
Thanks Pete!
Hansel!
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (May 21, 2009 01:11AM)
Hansel, thanks, glad you like the stuff.
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (Feb 4, 2010 01:11PM)
Rare video: FRED KAPS - Ring on Glass - amazing, sure.

ENJOY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5o_q60KJRg
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Feb 4, 2010 05:57PM)
MATS... Thanks so much for finding this video link. I had been trying to find it for YEARS. Fyi, for this version, on British TV, Bob Swadling was the "hidden" assistant.
Message: Posted by: Hansel (Feb 5, 2010 02:18PM)
WOW! Great video.
Message: Posted by: Metatron (Feb 5, 2010 03:45PM)
Wow! Mr. Biro that was an awesome effect.

Did you say that you just GAVE it to Mr. Kaps for free?

Amazing!
Message: Posted by: bigdhri (Feb 5, 2010 04:12PM)
Mr. Biro,
Was the handling you gave him released in one of the Genii articles?
Thanks
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (Feb 6, 2010 03:37PM)
Fred Kaps fan?

Check this out:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=32350776606
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Feb 7, 2010 10:51AM)
I gave many things to Kaps... GAVE... not sold.

We were very close friends, travelled and worked together often. The original concept/version was worked out using a briefcase alongside you for a close-up show.

Kaps, created the handling working behind a bar, which makes it so much easier.

His first gimmicks were made by our mutual friend Scotty York, but he settled on an improved version made by a friend in The Netherlands, Frans Biemens (I hope I spelled it correctly).

Other props I created and GAVE Fred include an electric operated Devano Style jumbo rising card deck (Only three ever made), and my first set of Linking Coat Hangers.
Message: Posted by: Joshua Lozoff (Feb 13, 2010 10:14AM)
I think a "brandy sniffer" is an alcoholic's therapy dog, perhaps. The glass that you are referring to is a brandy "snifter." These days, some shops selling to under-educated people may call them sniffers, but it's like saying "most unique," or "less calories." A million people saying it wrong doesn't make it right.

Brandy Snifter.
Message: Posted by: MagicOfDamon (Jun 19, 2010 12:26AM)
Does anyone know of a book or video that TEACHES how to put the ring on the string then inside the box to make it vanish?
Message: Posted by: Leo-Kim (Jun 19, 2010 03:33AM)
The dvd Ring Leader with Gregory Wilson is kinda encyclopedic when it comes to ring and string magic. A lot of it comes from the mind of Ray Grismer.

Mikael Jhansson
Sweden
Message: Posted by: Adrian King (Oct 9, 2011 02:43PM)
Have any of you seen British Street Magician Dynamo (Steven Frayne) performing Ring on Wine Glass Stem? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2-MgpOEFkw&feature=related
This is an outstanding "impromptu-style" take on Pete Biro's / Fred Kaps's effect: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5o_q60KJRg
Although I am familiar with Biro’s original handling (from Genii Aug 07), I have no idea how the switched glass has been gimmicked to undergo such scrutiny from the (annoying) ladies and the camera close-up.
Dynamo (and his consultants) achieved what Bruce Kalver claims with his Ring on Brandy Snifter – “A borrowed ring is tossed at a brandy sniffer and instantly, it links onto the stem of the glass” with a close match.
Thoughts? Ideas?