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Topic: Lacrosse ball problem
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jul 13, 2008 11:28PM)
I just got an e-mail from someone who is having problems getting a lacrosse ball to fit into his Paul Fox cups.

Here is a quote from my favorite piece of misinformation -- Wikipedia. In this case, they are spot on.

[quote]
A lacrosse ball is the solid rubber ball that is used to play lacrosse. It is typically white, but can be many other colors. It is usually between 7.75 and 8 inches (19-20 cm) in circumference (about 2.5 inches (6.5 cm) in diameter) and weighs between 5 and 5.25 ounces (140-150 g).
[/quote]

A difference in 1/4 inch in circumference translates into a difference of .079 inches. That's a pretty big difference.

ALWAYS take your cups with you when fitting them for loads.
Message: Posted by: Darth Ewok (Jul 14, 2008 04:02AM)
You know, in my little area of tennessee, I cant find lacrosse balls for sale at all. I've been to several sporting goods stores and zip
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jul 14, 2008 04:18AM)
You have to find an area where people play lacrosse. It's popular down here. If you go out of town and can find a really big sporting goods store, like Dick's Sports, they may have Lacrosse balls.

If you purchase them over the internet, you may have to purchase a dozen to get three that fit correctly.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jul 14, 2008 04:08PM)
You're only about 70 miles from Knoxville. That's what, about a 20 minute drive? ;)

There's a Dick's Sports in Knoxville.
Message: Posted by: Darth Ewok (Jul 15, 2008 12:13AM)
Theres a DICKS sports in a town a few miles away. but they don't have any lacrosse stuff at all
Message: Posted by: P&L2007 (Jul 15, 2008 12:18AM)
I've been to several Dick's Sports and only one of them had lacrosse balls.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jul 15, 2008 01:22AM)
That's what a telephone is for. You call ahead.

Do I have to do all the work for you guys?
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jul 15, 2008 11:50AM)
YES... WE ARE LAZY FOOLS :kermit:
Message: Posted by: MagicByUriel (Jul 15, 2008 04:29PM)
[quote]
On 2008-07-14 05:18, Bill Palmer wrote:
You have to find an area where people play lacrosse. It's popular down here. If you go out of town and can find a really big sporting goods store, like Dick's Sports, they may have Lacrosse balls.
[/quote]

I live in Jersey, where we don't play much lacrosse, but The Sports Athority seems to have a pretty good selection.

BTW, I am the guy who emailed Bill.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jul 15, 2008 09:34PM)
The place to look is near a private school. Private schools generally have their athletes play games like lacrosse.
Message: Posted by: leaycraft (Jul 16, 2008 05:57AM)
I coach fencing- over 70 schools in NJ have varsity teams--NJ has lacrosse in all counties and more teams are being added every year. Both Modells and Sports authority carry lacrosse balls in all colors even glow in the dark. Not really that hard to find here.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jul 16, 2008 01:20PM)
Check to see if there is a YMCA near you. If there is, check to see if they have a Lacrosse program.

Be resourceful.

Many of the cups you see in the museum are there because I looked everywhere I could think of, e-mailed, phoned, wrote letters, and made contact with collectors all over the world.

Do you know that there are people who don't have computers? Yep! I have two sets of cups that came from a magician in Hawaii who does not have a computer. I phoned him at the suggestion of a mutual friend. A month later, I had two of my best finds!

Sure, I hit some blank walls. But I hit some great cups, too!

It's like fishing, in a way. You spend more time drowning worms than you do bringing fish back into the boat!
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jul 16, 2008 04:23PM)
On a serious note -- do you think there are people who would be willing to pay for lacrosse balls that were brand new and were certified as fitting into a Paul Fox cup?

I might be willing to do some wheel work and visit some of our local places to see what I can find.
Message: Posted by: MagicByUriel (Jul 16, 2008 04:36PM)
[quote]
On 2008-07-16 17:23, Bill Palmer wrote:
On a serious note -- do you think there are people who would be willing to pay for lacrosse balls that were brand new and were certified as fitting into a Paul Fox cup?

I might be willing to do some wheel work and visit some of our local places to see what I can find.
[/quote]

I'd pay. But how much? It would take a considerable amount of work on your part, so you would probably want to make some sort of profit off these things. An average ball costs $2-$5, and I wouldn't really want to pay more than $5+shipping per ball.
Message: Posted by: ShawnB (Jul 16, 2008 04:40PM)
I think that would be a great idea... I can't tell you how many times I have bought bags and bags of lacrosse balls just to find out only a couple fit my cups. Then I have to run back to the store again. Frustrating. Then you have to segregate the balls in some way for each set of cups… That way you know later on when you want to use them that they were the ones that fit…

A guaranteed fit would be worth it to me. Even at an increased price.

Maybe also look in to a material that would be less susceptible to stains as well. I love using bright white load balls... but I find myself bleaching them a lot due to the reaction they have to the oils on my hands and the metal of the cups.. Something else to think about.

Shawn
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jul 16, 2008 04:41PM)
I have a reasonably low cost source for them. I know which of the stores have good lacrosse balls, so I could go over with a Paul Fox cup, fit the balls to the cup and send them. If I got a whole lot of them at the same time, it would be worth my while.

After the big convention next week, I'll see what I can do.
Message: Posted by: MagicByUriel (Jul 16, 2008 04:51PM)
[quote]
On 2008-07-16 17:41, Bill Palmer wrote:
I have a reasonably low cost source for them. I know which of the stores have good lacrosse balls, so I could go over with a Paul Fox cup, fit the balls to the cup and send them. If I got a whole lot of them at the same time, it would be worth my while.

After the big convention next week, I'll see what I can do.
[/quote]

Sweet! Keep us posted, I am definitely interested.
Message: Posted by: ShawnB (Jul 17, 2008 11:56AM)
I'm in...
Message: Posted by: matt kemp (Jul 17, 2008 01:38PM)
Bill, would you be able to sell 7.5" baseballs as well? I haven't found a good deal on any of those so far.

Also, are there balls that look like tennis balls that will fit in Paul Fox cups? (Perhaps from a pet store)
Message: Posted by: ShawnB (Jul 17, 2008 02:56PM)
Matt I found some of those... I will have to look at the brand when I get home...

I got them from Target...They are lacross ball sized tennis balls.. (For Dogs)

Shawn
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jul 17, 2008 04:56PM)
I think I have a source for something like that as well.

Maybe I could start a store -- Balls R Us!

Seriously, take your cups to PetSmart.

I'm going to experiment with ways of cleaning Lacrosse balls after I get back from Louisville!
Message: Posted by: ShawnB (Jul 17, 2008 06:10PM)
Matt the brand I found is called hyperdog...

They fit many of my cups very well. Some more snug then others.

Maybe not perfect for Paul Fox cups, however they could work. They fit in the foxes just a little snug.

They fit all my other lacrosse ball sized cups just fine.

A couple hundred bounces on the pavement may take em down just enough to fix in a fox comfortably.

You may want to check them out.. I got them from Target in the pet care area.

Shawn
Message: Posted by: matt kemp (Jul 18, 2008 01:46PM)
Thanks Shawn. I'm currently using Fab Fruit, but I might get bored of the Fab Fruit and then I will go out and look for these balls.
Message: Posted by: ShawnB (Jul 18, 2008 02:02PM)
How is the fab fruit.. I got some of the lemons but they were part of the "small batch"

They were too small for me and I sent them back. I wish I could get my hands on 4 of the bigger size.

Shawn
Message: Posted by: matt kemp (Jul 19, 2008 05:13PM)
I really like it. The only problem is that the fruit is a bit heavy, so if you load from your jacket then it might distort your clothing a bit.

Also, I would recommend getting a few types of fruit. From far away, the lemons sort of look like a regular yellow ball (just like a real lemon).
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jul 19, 2008 06:07PM)
Has anyone thought of using a RealLemon Squeeze lemon as a final load? There are comic possibilities with this.
Message: Posted by: matt kemp (Jul 20, 2008 10:44PM)
[quote]
On 2008-07-19 19:07, Bill Palmer wrote:
Has anyone thought of using a RealLemon Squeeze lemon as a final load? There are comic possibilities with this.
[/quote]

I did a quick google seach and I found lemon juice in a lemon-shaped container. Do you mean use this as a final load?
Message: Posted by: karnak (Aug 28, 2016 04:29PM)
[quote]On Jul 16, 2008, Bill Palmer wrote:
On a serious note -- do you think there are people who would be willing to pay for lacrosse balls that were brand new and were certified as fitting into a Paul Fox cup?[/quote]

Yes, absolutely! (I'm one of them.)

I realize this is a very old thread, but the problem (need) remains perennial....
Message: Posted by: BeThePlunk (Aug 28, 2016 07:57PM)
Go to a school where lacrosse is played -- like Bill said, a private high school is a good bet. Walk around the edges of the field looking especially in tall grass and bushes. They get lost ALL the time, and nobody counts them at the end of practice.
Message: Posted by: Mad Jake (Aug 29, 2016 06:43AM)
[quote]On Aug 28, 2016, BeThePlunk wrote:
Go to a school where lacrosse is played -- like Bill said, a private high school is a good bet. Walk around the edges of the field looking especially in tall grass and bushes. They get lost ALL the time, and nobody counts them at the end of practice. [/quote]

I don't think that would be a wise idea in this day and age :(. It would look kind of suspicious
of someone hanging around a school fence.
Message: Posted by: Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse (Aug 29, 2016 01:55PM)
Bill people are very lazy in this world but they are also cheap
Message: Posted by: BeThePlunk (Aug 29, 2016 06:34PM)
[quote]On Aug 29, 2016, Mad Jake wrote:
[quote]On Aug 28, 2016, BeThePlunk wrote:
Go to a school where lacrosse is played -- like Bill said, a private high school is a good bet. Walk around the edges of the field looking especially in tall grass and bushes. They get lost ALL the time, and nobody counts them at the end of practice. [/quote]

I don't think that would be a wise idea in this day and age :(. It would look kind of suspicious
of someone hanging around a school fence. [/quote]


After hours - on weekends. Not like you're leering at kids for goodness sake.
Message: Posted by: Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse (Aug 29, 2016 06:53PM)
People are not only lazy and cheap but suspicious and stupid
Message: Posted by: Mad Jake (Aug 29, 2016 09:55PM)
Took a lacrosse ball last night that didn't quite fit my RNT II Paul Fox cups. So I applied some science..
I boiled the ball for about 45 minutes, 3 of them. They went straight from the freezer from the burner.
2 of them ended up fitting just fine. One didn't. By late this afternoon all 3 didn't fit again. It was worth
a try for you.

Jake Sr.
Message: Posted by: karnak (Aug 29, 2016 10:21PM)
I appreciate the effort.
Message: Posted by: Mad Jake (Aug 29, 2016 10:50PM)
Do they need to be any special color? My son just told me he knows where 2 boxes are at home. We work out on the water and won't
be in for a week or so more. I'll be happy to dig them out, they are actually Glow in the Dark lacrosse balls. If I get back and they do fit
I'll be happy to send you a few sets. Are the Paul Fox cups you are speaking of are the RNT II or Danny Dews?

All the best,
Mad Jake Sr. and Jr.
Message: Posted by: karnak (Aug 30, 2016 11:11AM)
Thanks for the kind offer! My Paul Fox cups are RNT II.
Message: Posted by: ringmaster (Aug 30, 2016 08:51PM)
Arn't Paul Fox cups sized to take baseballs?
Message: Posted by: Mad Jake (Aug 30, 2016 09:23PM)
[quote]On Aug 30, 2016, ringmaster wrote:
Arn't Paul Fox cups sized to take baseballs? [/quote]

As long as the baseball is the size of a lacrosse ball, then yes :)

Jake Sr.
Message: Posted by: Mad Jake (Sep 1, 2016 01:15PM)
My youngest son found the lacrosse balls. I'm going to send you 3 or 6 balls to wee if any meet your
specs for th PF cups.

Jake Sr.

PS. Please PM your address sp we cahip them.

Jake. Sr.
Message: Posted by: karnak (Sep 1, 2016 01:28PM)
Will do -- thanks again!
Message: Posted by: cupsandballsmagic (Sep 2, 2016 02:01PM)
[quote]On Aug 30, 2016, Mad Jake wrote:
[quote]On Aug 30, 2016, ringmaster wrote:
Arn't Paul Fox cups sized to take baseballs? [/quote]

As long as the baseball is the size of a lacrosse ball, then yes :)

Jake Sr. [/quote]
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Message: Posted by: ringmaster (Sep 2, 2016 04:19PM)
[quote]On Sep 2, 2016, cupsandballsmagic wrote:
[quote]On Aug 30, 2016, Mad Jake wrote:
[quote]On Aug 30, 2016, ringmaster wrote:
Arn't Paul Fox cups sized to take baseballs? [/quote]

As long as the baseball is the size of a lacrosse ball, then yes :)

Jake Sr. [/quote]
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: [/quote]
Jeeezzz, it's not that funny.
Message: Posted by: Mad Jake (Sep 4, 2016 10:35PM)
I went to 2 different Dick's Spoting Goods Stores. I entered each store, cups in hand.. Neither store had any that would fit. I found something
that came close I'm going to send you tommorow,. Let me know what you think.

Sincerely Yours,
Mad Jake Sr.
Message: Posted by: karnak (Sep 5, 2016 06:57PM)
Thanks again. More importantly to anyone/everyone else who might be reading our exchange here, it underscores the fact that whereas any/all lacrosse balls USED to reliably fit Paul Fox cups, times (and standardization of lacrosse ball sizes) have changed.

(When I first got my RnT2 Paul Fox cups a couple of years ago, I too -- like you -- took them into a local but big/corporate sporting goods store. I tried out every lacrosse ball they had, in a bin-full of loose balls. I walked out empty-handed, because NONE fit my cups.)
Message: Posted by: Mad Jake (Sep 7, 2016 10:34PM)
[quote]On Sep 2, 2016, ringmaster wrote:
[quote]On Sep 2, 2016, cupsandballsmagic wrote:
[quote]On Aug 30, 2016, Mad Jake wrote:
[quote]On Aug 30, 2016, ringmaster wrote:
Arn't Paul Fox cups sized to take baseballs? [/quote]

As long as the baseball is the size of a lacrosse ball, then yes :)

Jake Sr. [/quote]
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: [/quote]

Please, I meant no harm. Most know me to take a 1 liner shot at someone when the oppertuniy arrises.
I couldn't pass that one up. Again my appology and I meant no ill by it.
Jeeezzz, it's not that funny. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: ringmaster (Sep 15, 2016 08:17PM)
Didn't bother me.
BTW, my unauthorized second run "Charlie Miller" cups from Magic Inc. has taken every LaCrosse ball I've fed it.
Message: Posted by: Mad Jake (Sep 15, 2016 08:29PM)
Charlie Miller cups isn't the discussion here. It's Paul Fox cups. I've got Phoenix Cups from Tom Frank. I can get a tennis
ball in them, so a lacrosse ball fits easily into both my Charlie Miller cups and my Tom Frank cups.

Comparing Paul Fox cups load vs. Charlie Miller cups are like comparing apples and oranges.
Message: Posted by: Mad Jake (Sep 15, 2016 08:50PM)
Ok, this has been a ODC moment for me. The first 2 sets of RNT 2 Paul Fox, all take an oversize Lacrosse ball. They roll right out from underneath when you raise
the cups to expose the lacrosse balls. They do the same with DD/Type 2 cups. Jake Jr.'s captain thinks we are nuts playing with cups. Then Jr. did the routine for
him and he finally understood.

The cups must be from the first run, because one set from the next run didn't take the lacrosse ball. The opening on the cups are the same, something went wrong
at the second run and I'm just now hearing about it based on this thread. We're on our way back into shore, when we get back to Virginia both Jr. and I will sit down
and find the hang up is. I have a feeling it has something to do with the first shoulder bead and the way it tapers. We should be back in Va. in just.a few days.

Jake Sr and Jake Jr.