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Topic: Entertainment v. Human Dignity and taste
Message: Posted by: Cheshire Cat (Apr 8, 2003 02:30PM)
This could almost be an addition to Peter Marucci's thread on "Appropriate". Or maybe my thread on "Unusual Speciality Acts, Mr Methane".

I always thought that the sport(?), pastime(?), entertainment(!?) of DWARF TOSSING originated from our dear cousins in Australia, whom of course we all love for their legendary sense of taste and etiquette. To my surprise I realise now that it also is or was a popular attraction in the States. The story of the Frenchman who fought against a United Nations ruling that Dwarf Tossing was against human dignity and should be outlawed became quite high profile, as the said gentleman claimed it would rob him of his profession of being thrown around by burly men at functions and events. Do you have any views on this subject? I personally tend to feel that if an individual wishes to trade as a 'dwarf' for the said purpose, then as long as an event is managed properly it probably does no harm. I can only say that if I had been born to achieve a maximum height of 3 ft. 4 ins. or whatever then I would have certainly sought employment (or refuge) within entertainment, at the same time realising that achieving the success of say English entertainer Kenny Baker in the Star Wars movies, or the gentleman who plays opposite Austin Powers would be an unreasonable expectation.


PS: This is a 3ft. stage marionette you see me with on the left by the way! Also no offence to Aussies - half my family are out there!
Message: Posted by: Peter Marucci (Apr 8, 2003 06:51PM)
Interesting point, ace.

Does it make a difference if the "sinned-against" party joins in the "sinning against"?

I would think not.

An African-American who acts and thinks like a Caucasian is called, by some elements in the African-American community, an Oreo (cookie); that is, black on the outside and white on the inside.

The bottom line, I would think, is how the group as a whole thinks about the situation, be the group tall, short, black, white, fat, thin, etc.

You could always find one person who will side with the majority against his or her own group for the sake of -- well, I don't know what.

That shouldn't make a difference.
Message: Posted by: debaser (Apr 8, 2003 07:35PM)
OK Peter, you need to explain how the "oreo" (note: a term from the 70's) idea has relevance here.

And why does it matter what the majority of the group think. If there is no formal gov't of that group then they have no right to say what others do.

It's like strippers and their viewers - who is being exploited - the people who have to take off their clothes for money or the people who give their money to see nakedness?

I do feel that by supporting such things as "midget tossing" that you're certainly not contributing to the wellness of the world. But hey, you gotta take the good with the bad.

Unfortunately (somebody did a short documentary on this recently) little people have less outlets for financial security, yet they have a free ride if they want to exploit themselves. So I can see where it would be tempting.

Message: Posted by: Peter Marucci (Apr 8, 2003 09:14PM)
Matt writes: "OK Peter - you need to explain how the "oreo" (note: a term from the 70's) idea has relevance here."

Well, being from the 70s (and much, much before, too), I suppose that would be the era that I would use as an example.

If a minority of a group has a differing opinion from the majority of the group (and why wouldn't they if they are the minority?), then how valid is their argument?

I don't have an answer but I would suggest that it depends on the question.

A group -- whether it be a race, a religion, or a bunch of hobbyists -- does not speak with one voice.

How much weight should be given the dissenting voices?

If I had an easy answer for that, I wouldn't be here -- I'd probably be in The Hague!
Message: Posted by: Chris Berry (Apr 8, 2003 10:18PM)

Midget Tossing! Have you guys seen that in real life?

It is hilarious! If the 'height impaired' (trying to please some certain people in here) want to do it let them.

They are people too and if they choose to do it then let them.

If people are going to get all upset because they do this then why not get mad at women (and men) for pornography? I mean, these young girls getting involved in it (and guys that force/encourage them) is just disgusting. But I haven't heard anyone speak up in here about it!

Message: Posted by: Peter Marucci (Apr 9, 2003 05:06AM)
Chris writes: "If people are going to get all upset because they do this ("midget tossing") then why not get mad at women (and men) for pornography?"

Uh, they do, all the time.

". . . I haven't heard anyone speak up in here about it!"

No, and you haven't heard anyone here speak up about cruelty to animals, global warming, and a whole bunch of other things.

But just because we haven't mentioned it here doesn't mean that huge numbers aren't concerned!

There's a big world out there!
Message: Posted by: Chris Berry (Apr 9, 2003 09:10PM)
True True! :cool:

Message: Posted by: GlenD (Apr 10, 2003 10:33AM)
So... is cat juggling considered cruelty to animals ? Ha ha, just kidding on that one, I can't juggle more than 2 of anything anyways.
It does seem to me that a lot, if not most, comedy happens at the expense of another person, group of people or something as the butt or recipient of the punch line.
As has been stated previously it is all in the intention or "spirit" of the one doing the joking that determines if it is offensive or funny.

I for one think we have more than enough paranoid, overly critical, self-appointed finger pointers that is fostering an ever increasing degree of super sensitivity.
With that said, I am not the type of person to maliciously or carelessly slander and offend others and I consider myself a sensitive person. But so much talk about all this "PC" type of stuff does drive me nuts (when i am exposed to it for more than a few minutes).
I suddenly feel an urge to watch The Beastie Boys video of Fight for Your Right to Party.

Message: Posted by: debaser (Apr 10, 2003 01:29PM)
I could see how a little person would get upset at others creating stereotypes. So I think "midget tossing" is sad. However, it's certainly the right of anyone who lives in this country. Personally I would like to see more positive stereotypes and less laws against negative ones. (but hey, we can all dream.)

Message: Posted by: Peter Marucci (Apr 10, 2003 03:57PM)
Laws against things are often the best that can be done in an open society.

The late Dr. Martin Luther King said that legislation could not make one person like another but it could prevent one person from lynching another, and that's no small thing.