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Topic: "Vintage" 1880 Bicycle Deck by Ellusionist
Message: Posted by: The Wizards Machine (Sep 17, 2008 04:59PM)
Recently got a red vintage 1800 Bicycle deck.

My personal review:
At first glance they look real cool. But my one wish for the box is it should have a removable upc code. It kills the vintage vibe as soon as you see it. A hundred year old deck would not have a bar code. The outer plastic should have it and they should have used the old "air cushioned" verbiage on the bottom like real vintage decks had.

The cards themselves look terrific. Each one is different in it's weathered look. A lot of time was put into these and I have high praise for the artist.

But for me, here's where they fall [b]way short[/b]; I think they are too thin. They felt thin to me as I was first handling them, and when I set them down on a flat table next to a normal deck of bikes and a box of Shadow Masters; the normal run in the mill bikes were about 3 cards fatter. (In other words, I could slide over 3 normal bikes down onto the 1800 to be even). The shadow masters were between 4 and 5 cards fatter. (All were 52 cards.) They also fan terribly. (At least mine do.)

I use these 1800's in a trick I call: 'The Dead Man's Hand', and it's a nice touch . (Takeoff on the Christ /Scarne trick, but I find the real Dead Man's Hand and expose the reason Wild Bill was killed!) For this trick, I'm glad I have one deck but quite frankly I won't be buying any more.
Message: Posted by: Demon5magic (Sep 24, 2008 08:28AM)
Yes, the 1800 deck look awsome, but I hate how they fan.....
Message: Posted by: Kaarlo von Freymann (Apr 15, 2010 06:05AM)
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On 2008-09-17 17:59, The Wizards Machine wrote:
....one wish for the box is it should have a removable upc code. It kills the vintage vibe as soon as you see it. A hundred year old deck would not have a bar code. The outer plastic should have it and they should have used the old "air cushioned" verbiage on the bottom like real vintage decks had.
The cards themselves look terrific. Each one is different in it's weathered look. A lot of time was put into these and I have high praise for the artist.....
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ANNOYING AND UNNECESSARY CONS: you have to make all Svengali, Mirage, X-deck, rough and smooth etc. decks yourself, a tremendous job and to make them you need to buy over 40 decks and 10 spray cans. As buying them bulk gives you a good price compared to ready made special decks the price is not really the issue, BUT THE WORK!
And why can we not have marked ones as we can with normal Bic. decks ?
In addition to above quoted criticism you cannot show the card box as it looks shiny and new. I have had to cover them with matte self-adhesive foil, another time consuming job you could avoid if spare non-shiny correct boxes were available. It seems to me the creators stopped well before taking advantage of the potential this great idea created.

UNBEATEABLE PROS: these cards are fantastic. You of course found them on your grandfather’s attic. That is not only a charming story. It helps disguise the fact that you use different decks for different tricks. Everyone understands you may have found one or two, but not 16 decks like I have to be able to Svengali-force a lot of different cards. If after you do the X-deck you drop a non-gaffed double - “Oops, sorry, I am old and fumbling” - nobody suspects it is a double which they do if you use “new” cards. You can say, “they may be old and a little bit soiled, but as you can see, none of them has an X ! Please help the old man pick them up.” I cannot judge whether these cards are as good as normal ones for manipulation, if so so it does not matter for me. I have given away ALL other cards.

Kaarlo von Freymann Helsinki Finland
Message: Posted by: Ken Lam (Sep 19, 2010 08:39PM)
Terrible cards... despite the amount of details+efforts put on them.
Message: Posted by: crestfallenLyric (Sep 20, 2010 02:23PM)
True, these cards are horrible for fanning. However, I found their thickness to be just right, and they work wonderfully because the doubles will never split.
Message: Posted by: Pat Perry (Oct 8, 2010 08:48AM)
To make the box look more real: Just remove the upc code with a sharp knife (just the first two layers). Then take a wet tea bag and rub the whole box (in&outside) with it. Dried out it looks old and fit's the cards.
Message: Posted by: Scott Fridinger (Oct 8, 2010 03:43PM)
Cards look old, but feel new. Terrible idea in my opinion, other then a novelty.
Message: Posted by: Dan Bernier (Oct 8, 2010 04:08PM)
Those concerned about the box looking new. The cards are designed to look old, but anyone can obviously see that they are not old at all. Especially if the spectator is choosing a card. If you are worried that the box looks new, why are you not also concerned that the cards are in great shape for supposively being vintage. Isn't that just knit-picking?
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Oct 22, 2010 12:02PM)
"In addition to above quoted criticism you cannot show the card box as it looks shiny and new. I have had to cover them with matte self-adhesive foil, another time consuming job you could avoid if spare non-shiny correct boxes were available. It seems to me the creators stopped well before taking advantage of the potential this great idea created. "

I lightly sprayed the outside card box with Krylon 1311 Matte and it dulled the shiny box up easily and perfectly - no fuss or muss.
Message: Posted by: marko (Dec 4, 2010 07:41PM)
I just got one of these, and I'm pretty pleased with it. I've found the cards to handle well for fanning and spreading purposes. They're probably not great for most flourishes, but too much flourishing would break the illusion of their age anyway. It seems to me there is great potential for an evocative presentation with this deck; something that doesn't rely on a lot of card handling, and would allow for a story- Premonition springs to mind.
Message: Posted by: Dan Bernier (Dec 9, 2010 12:19AM)
A good, "Back In Time" card effect using the vintage cards. If you are one that is comfortable switching decks in mid performance, performing an effect where the regular bikes transform into a vintage deck, having mysteriously gone back into time.

The spectator chooses a card, places it back into the deck. (Use the name of some person who lived a hundred years ago. Someone who may have even been a magician, even make it up.)The deck is put back inside the case. You can then talk about how you will send the deck back into time to the period of the Great Cadabra who suffered a mysterious death, or anything you wish to say to enhance the effect. You send the cards back to him, (The Great Cadabra)and when they come back, the cards look old. All of them except one card, the card the spectator picked, which still looks new.

Just shooting out an idea I've been playing around with.
Message: Posted by: panlives (Dec 16, 2010 07:06AM)
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On 2010-12-09 01:19, Gospel Dan wrote:
A good, "Back In Time" card effect using the vintage cards. If you are one that is comfortable switching decks in mid performance, performing an effect where the regular bikes transform into a vintage deck, having mysteriously gone back into time.

The spectator chooses a card, places it back into the deck. (Use the name of some person who lived a hundred years ago. Someone who may have even been a magician, even make it up.)The deck is put back inside the case. You can then talk about how you will send the deck back into time to the period of the Great Cadabra who suffered a mysterious death, or anything you wish to say to enhance the effect. You send the cards back to him, (The Great Cadabra)and when they come back, the cards look old. All of them except one card, the card the spectator picked, which still looks new.

Just shooting out an idea I've been playing around with.
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Impressive thinking!

I was just reading The Time Travel Manual by Josh Zandman (highly recommended, by the way), took a break and came across your concept. Love it!

Thank you.

P.S. Contributors to the above-mentioned eBook are Ted Karmilovich, Andrew Gerard, Kenton Knepper, Scott Grossberg, Nick Belleas, Sean Waters, George Frega, Greg Arce, Don Theo III – and Josh Zandman of course.

Posted: Dec 16, 2010 8:13am
Interesting comments.

I do find the cards a bit weak when it comes to fanning and spreading.

The barcode fix recommended by Pat is ingenious. It works perfectly! Thanks for that, Pat!

Has anyone come across an alternative vintage deck called “The Heirloom Deck” by Cardshark?

You can read about it here:
http://www.card-shark.de/index.cfm?page=19〈=en&detail=true&Category=3&ArtID=127
Message: Posted by: Magic Patrick (Jan 10, 2011 08:44PM)
I think that they are pretty cool looking. I prefer the Bicycle Shadow Masters deck though.

Patrick
Message: Posted by: Magical Dimensions (Jan 11, 2011 10:06PM)
Why would you want to fan these cards? Are you guys going to do split fans and back palms? These cards are great for story telling routines. As far as the box is concerned, throw the box away! I keep the cards wrapped in a white linen handkerchief tied with an old looking string. I also have an old looking finger ring from the pass that I use with the string (pendulum). These cards really create an impression if you treat them other than normal. Give then some history and a story and they will become magic on their own.

Ray
Message: Posted by: innermind (Jul 6, 2011 06:02PM)
These cards are a delight to use for cartomancy readings. Instead of utilizing the case/box, I keep the deck wrapped in a small black silk and then place it inside a purple velvet pouch along with a small quartz crystal shard.

For readings, I will use this deck in conjunction with a pendulum constructed from a red silken cord & Haunted Key.

Prior to performing a reading, I will tell a story about the cards & key being the former property of an occult priest. I will then perform a short routine with the Haunted Key and the 1800 Deck before going into the reading.

The sitter is already completely engaged/immersed before the reading even begins!



David
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Oct 14, 2011 08:53PM)
If the cards feel too new, distress them.
Message: Posted by: alexander2989 (Oct 14, 2011 11:37PM)
Don't worry if you use this deck 3 days, its gonna like its from hundred years ago, can not fan any more.
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Oct 20, 2011 11:09AM)
I soaped the deck, just for fun. Fans very well now...though I'm not so sure that is a good thing with *this* deck! :)
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Oct 20, 2011 11:09AM)
I soaped the deck, just for fun. Fans very well now...though I'm not so sure that is a good thing with *this* deck! :)
Message: Posted by: antonuccio (Dec 28, 2011 06:07AM)
I love the Vintage deck. I can do my faros without fumbling.
An excellent release!
andrea
Message: Posted by: BatsMagic (Feb 25, 2012 11:44AM)
Unfortunately, I like all of Ellusionist's card releases. Why unfortunately? Gotta spend the money!