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Topic: ? to cane, what do you use?
Message: Posted by: Carron (Apr 15, 2003 01:03PM)
I own a Fantasio appearing cane and I love performing it. I am looking for an alternative to using a silk all the time. I tried flash paper but that resulted in the cane catching fire and melting in my hand so I don't recommend you use that. What do you use?

Tom :firedevil: ouch that cane is hot
Message: Posted by: -The Scot- (Apr 15, 2003 01:26PM)
Rope
Balloon (260 uninflated)
Feather

To name just a few.
Message: Posted by: magician81 (Apr 15, 2003 02:03PM)
Get Fantasio's [i]My Cane & Candles[/i] book. It will add a new dimension to your cane routine.
Message: Posted by: Mike the Amazing (Apr 16, 2003 12:05AM)
I saw a torch for it once, if you want a fire effect. Don't recall the exact working, but it goes out the instant you appear the cane (metal one only - don't use a plastic one).
Message: Posted by: -The Scot- (Apr 16, 2003 04:38AM)
Yes Mike is right, there are torches that clip onto the release mechanism, and they [b]do[/b] go out when the cane opens.

They are very inexpensive as well, around $10-£25 depending on the maker.

KEEP IN MIND YOU NEED A METAL APPEARING CANE FOR THIS!

:angry:
Message: Posted by: Carron (Apr 18, 2003 11:45AM)
Thanks guys, any other ideas from anyone will be greatly appreciated!
Tom :yippee:
Message: Posted by: paraguppie (Apr 18, 2003 12:38PM)
I think Hocus Pocus has a new part to turn a fantasio cane into a dancing cane AND torch. Check it out probably under "fantasio".

Keith
Message: Posted by: -The Scot- (Apr 19, 2003 06:50AM)
The product you are referring to is 'The Ultimate Cane'.

You can view this item on this link:
http://www.masterofillusions.ca/ULT-CANE.htm
(it is Peter Loughran's site - the creator of Ultimate Cane)

As far as I am aware, this is a gimmick you attach to your regular Fantasio Cane (the routine is for a Vanishing Fantasio Cane but you can attach to an extended appearing cane to make it just a dancing fire cane [doesn't vanish at the end]). Peter Loughran is a member of the MagicCafé, and questions send him a PM.

Hope this helps,

-Kevin-
Message: Posted by: Ron Reid (Apr 19, 2003 07:29AM)
Hi Tom:

Here is idea that you might like:

1. Start with the cane separate from the silk. The cane is just hidden (palmed) in your hand. Show the silk, and then place over your hand (the hand holding the cane). Your hand is palm up, with the cane being vertical. The tip of the cane is against your palm, and your hand is sort of cupped. Release the cane, and it will shoot the silk up in the air, at the the same time as it appears. You're left holding the cane by its tip and you then catch the silk. I used to perform this years ago, and it always got lots of "ooohhs" and "aahhs".

Hope this helps you.

Ron Reid
Message: Posted by: Carron (Apr 19, 2003 08:05AM)
Thanks very much Ron. I'll be performing that method this Fri/Sat/Sun at a show I'm in so thank you very much, it's greatly appreciated.

Tom :banana:
Message: Posted by: JamesinLA (Apr 23, 2003 05:29AM)
Here's a sequence by Jeff McBride. Walk on with a lit candle. The candle turns into a silk, and then the silk is stroked into a cane.
Jim
Message: Posted by: zombieboy (May 10, 2003 08:54PM)
I use a 260 balloon. I tie the inflated balloon to the cane, and when the can opens, the balloon is popped, so it adds an element of sound to the routine.
Message: Posted by: Symmatrix (May 11, 2003 12:55AM)
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On 2003-05-10 21:54, zombieboy wrote:
I use a 260 balloon. I tie the inflated balloon to the cane, and when the can opens, the balloon is popped, so it adds an element of sound to the routine.
[/quote]

Nice idea Zombieboy.

I love the idea.

Symmatrix :firedevil:

For me I will put or try anything that is fit into the cane.

I had tried using feather, Fire Torch, silk and rope..

Experiment it out and you will find the one that suits your characther and the effect that you want.

Symmatrix :firedevil:
Message: Posted by: Vibono Magic (Jun 13, 2003 07:57AM)
This is what I used to do at one point of my act.
I had two rings with tisue paper mounted in between. I showed both sides, threw the ring(rings) in to the air with one hand and I had my appering cane in the other. When the ring came down I pushed my hand through it and at the same time made the cane apper.
Vibono Magic
Sweden
Message: Posted by: Carron (Jun 13, 2003 11:30AM)
Thanks guys.
Come on people we need your ideas to help the future generation of cane users!

Wwhat about a spring bouquet, only a 3-4 bloom one, of course.
Thoughts?
Tom :goof:
Message: Posted by: Vibono Magic (Jun 14, 2003 01:36AM)
Why not? There is some great stuff with spring flowers and canes. The flower cane is a nice effect where the flower bouquet appers on the center of the cane. You must prepare your spring flowers but only one in the whole bunch ( I use about 25 in my ) by fixing a smal rod of metal to the flower and a metal ring that fits over the cane on the othe side of the rod. Have an elastic band around the left wrist end plase the flowers underneath with the ring sticking out of your sleve, like a sleve bouqet. After having produced the cane it is "just" a matter of putting the cane through the ring and with a brisk forward motion of the cane, produce the flowers.

Vibono Magic
Sweden
Message: Posted by: Carron (Jun 16, 2003 12:41PM)
Nice flower effect Vibono! I posted this a while ago but I'll post it here now.
A party popper. Your cane appears through a loud bang and cloud of smoke and streamers :carrot:
Message: Posted by: Vibono Magic (Jun 17, 2003 04:05PM)
How do you aply the party popper to the cane?
Message: Posted by: -The Scot- (Jun 18, 2003 02:11AM)
The string it attached to the bottom of the cane, exactly where you wold tie a silk to. The only thing about this is I am not sure where the popper goes, because the cane is too small for it to fit inside.
Message: Posted by: Vibono Magic (Jun 18, 2003 06:24AM)
I got the string thing but still don't know were to putt the Party popper itself. But I will give you another way of using party poppers.
Carefully remove the paper plate that covers the bottom inside and you will find the paper streamers. Throw the streamers away and you will find yet another papper disc. Even more carefully than before remove this. Underneath you will find the small cracker making the whole thing bang. Now take a piece of flashpaper, crumble it up and put it in the party popper. You now have a small flash gun!

Please use caution when trying this. Party poppers are explosive, so don't rush into this and of course, with all fire effects, don't use it if you are under 18 years of age.
:firedevil:

Jonas Karlsson
Vibono Magic
Sweden
Message: Posted by: Marcus Taylor (Jun 19, 2003 10:51AM)
Why not use confetti and release it from your hands when you produce the cane? :magicrabbit:
Message: Posted by: Carron (Jun 19, 2003 02:45PM)
Nice idea. A confetti bomb even? :cool:
Message: Posted by: magicpro (Jun 19, 2003 07:11PM)
I turn my cane into a balloon then I swallow the baloon and make the cane apear from my mouth.
Message: Posted by: Carron (Jun 21, 2003 08:15AM)
Nice. Is this balloon an uninflated 260 by any chance? :confused:
Message: Posted by: BryanDreyfus (Jun 25, 2003 12:54PM)
Ok....now for the party pooper.

What is the logic in using a cane?

They are not, as they were, regular everyday items anymore. Canes are thought of as an aid to the partially crippled where they used to be an accoutrement to formal wear.

People don't put on the ritz like they used to.

Welcome to the 2000's.



Bryan
Message: Posted by: -The Scot- (Jun 26, 2003 02:35AM)
Well said Bryan... but if they are used in a traditional act - with tails or any other formal wear I'm not sure what you said applies. Gentlemen attending weddings often have canes, and they are even for hire in the wedding rental stores.

Used in the right act - I think they are good!

Kevin
Message: Posted by: markis (Jun 26, 2003 11:57AM)
Alice Cooper has a cane in his hand when he's in concert. I wouldn't call him or his act traditional.

Think outside the box.
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Jun 26, 2003 12:06PM)
Markis:

So well said. You really hit the nail on the head when you said "think outside the box".

Too many of us see magicians and decide to duplicate what we often see already being done. This serves no purpose and only makes you appear like another magician and not yourself.

Time must be spent to develop a proper style and character that is all your own. Allow your imagination to run wild and take inspiration from the world around you and not just your fellow magicians.

It always bothers me when I see or hear magicians not willing to put out the effort to be and think creatively.

It is just way too easy for people to mimic others. This does nothing for our art but to create bad clones.

The beauty of magic is that it can be performed numerous ways and in numerous storylines and themes.

One should really put out the effort and really study a prop like the dancing cane and throw away all other vesions of it or all other presentations.

Do not look at the cane as a cane and certainly do not think it just has to dance. Ask yourself questions like: what if it vanished in the act only to reappear later on? what is the purpose of the cane and what am I trying to convey to the audience?

All of this starts to make you think outside of the box and starts to open your mind to other possibilities that may not be the norm.
Message: Posted by: Carron (Jul 4, 2003 08:52AM)
Well said my friend! :bg:
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Jul 4, 2003 09:54AM)
Tom:
Thanks you sir. I really appreciate the kind words. I just like to try and get people to think creatively in their own magic.
Message: Posted by: Carron (Jul 20, 2003 12:04PM)
Does anyone know any more? ...guys? :shucks:
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Jul 20, 2003 02:00PM)
I would say think creative with it. Think outside the box and you may realize that things will come to you and can flow in nicely to a musical routine that could be used as a stand alone act or be a good intro to a bigger show. Ideas can come from any place. Keep your eyes open for them.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Jul 31, 2003 12:22AM)
Another idea would be flash string.
Message: Posted by: markis (Jul 31, 2003 06:23AM)
Flash string works well with the appearing candle also, but you really go through the stuff quick and it's not that cheap.
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Jul 31, 2003 03:51PM)
Flash string is nice, but use it in moderation.
Message: Posted by: Carron (Oct 28, 2003 12:04PM)
What about a small candle, I don't mean a fantasio one but a small skinny white real candle. that could work!

anything of a similar size would also do , thin candlestick? wand?
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Oct 29, 2003 12:10PM)
George Saterial does something along these lines. He has a cane and it vanishes so that he ends up with a lit candle in one hand and a silk in the other. It is really a beautiful sequence if you have ever seen it.
Message: Posted by: Carron (Oct 29, 2003 12:34PM)
Hmmmmmmm sounds very nice, I'll experiment and see what I can come up with along those lines!
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Oct 29, 2003 12:55PM)
Are you trying to come up with ideas for a particular style act?
Message: Posted by: Carron (Oct 30, 2003 07:27AM)
No kyle just ideas in general that I could apply to any sort of act I was choosing to do

Tom
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Oct 30, 2003 02:17PM)
Tom:

Oh ok. I understand you now. I think fantasio lecture at the magic castle versions 1 and 2 are a great source for some really great stage candle and cane work. you may want to check them out.