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Topic: Chop cups and balls
Message: Posted by: DVS (Apr 23, 2003 03:56AM)
I just bought a new chop cups and balls set and I was wondering if anybody knew any good books with routines or setting up your own. Thanks :cups:
Message: Posted by: MagiUlysses (Apr 23, 2003 08:25AM)
Greetings and Salutations,

I am hardly an expert, being relatively new to the C&Bs myself, but there are a number of different ways to go.

One is to search through this forum; there are at least three relatively active threads on this topic that surface on a regular basis.

If you started like I did, with a Morrisey set, a routine comes with it for both the full set and the chop cup ... that'll get you going. Then there's the Hampton Ridge cups and balls tape that goes for about $10 in most magic stores. There are a couple of routines there that the casual C&Ber would be happy with. Michael Ammar has a book and companion pair of videos that is a full-blown study on the topic of routines, with the hows and whys of building a routine, and he covers both his and Dai Vernon's routines. I believe the most popular routine you will find on this forum is Gazzo's, and it is available as both a video and in book form. The video is full of info and bits of business and stuffed with wisdom. I can't remember the magi, but there is a sit-down routine designed specifically for a cups/chop cup combo and available from Morrisey and many magic stores. As for me, I have settled on a modified Jim Cellini routine that works well for me.

Explore, have fun, and find the routine that fits you. I believe you'll find that you will eventually develop a routine that is unique to you, even though it may be based on another.

Joe in KC

Make magic happen, live a great adventure!
Message: Posted by: RiffRaff (Apr 23, 2003 08:50AM)
Duvivier has a chop cups & balls routine. It's published in the book Magie Duvivier. His third video also has a version of this routine, where he performs it as a 'duet' with his daughter.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Apr 23, 2003 08:32PM)
John Mendoza was first with this setup and his routine is still available.

Ricky Jay used the principle on his 52 Assistant's show.

Frankly, IMHO, it just makes it harder to do the routine (for me) as you have to keep track of what cup is the gaffed one and what ball is the magnetic...

I find that sleight-of-hand beats gimmicks every time with cups and balls. :banana:
Message: Posted by: Patrick McKeever (May 3, 2003 10:27AM)
I have to agree with Pete. If you are going to do a 3 cup and ball routine, the old sleight of hand method is hard to beat. I used to do the Mendoza routine but it is a sit down routine and not practical for the street.

A straight Chop Cup routine should work very well. There used to be a very complete booklet called The Chop Cup Book. Every thing you want to know about the Chop Cup is there.

Don Allen's routing, on his video and in Racherbaumer's book, is excellent and can be done standing up. If you can find his Magic Ranch video, the routine he does there is as good as anything I have ever seen.

Again, I think Chop Cup would work well in the street. I would make the loads more exciting than just a large ball. Use fruit, a turnip, large garlic, etc. The fruit vs. ball is just my own preferrence. I think the incongruity is simply more starteling for the audience.

good luck, Patrick
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (May 5, 2003 11:18AM)
my shop cup routine :)

not really..i have doen it 1000's of times in front of an audience and its still not good enough...

that's how it is....

Message: Posted by: JamesinLA (May 5, 2003 02:26PM)
I saw a street magician doing a chop cup last weekend. He uses a shot glass and white silk and produces two final loads. (He is technically very good, but doesn't know much about drawing a crowd or getting them to pay.) Does that routine sound farmiliar to anyone?
Message: Posted by: RiffRaff (May 6, 2003 09:15AM)
There seems to be some confusion on this topic. Are we speaking about a routine with 3 cups, of which one is chopped, or are we speaking of a 'standard' one cup routine?

In the three cup (chopped) department, Charlie Frye has a great routine on his video.

The double-load one cup routine with shot glass and hankercheif sounds like Don Alan's. Jennings has an interesting one cup routine, but it's not suitable for the street.
Message: Posted by: what (May 6, 2003 02:19PM)
I have been working with the Mendozza cups & Balls + sequel - booklet ($6.50 at many magic sites) and it is alot of fun to work with. It is a sit down routine, but could be made to be stand up by using a servante. I don't think it could be made to work well surrounded because the routine never has you go to your pockets for anything (this is a plus to some and a negatice to others).
The big benefits to this routine is that you don't do the old false transfer move and that the final loads are not loaded in a sequence that might be easy to follow.

If this is your first cups & balls routine, I recommend learning Mark Wilsons from his complete course in magic book because it is very straightforward, short, entertaining and will allow you to work nearly surrounded.
Message: Posted by: Danny Diamond (May 6, 2003 02:34PM)
I may be revealing my lack of magical knowledge, but can someone tell me what a chop cup is? I have a set of regular cups and balls, but I am seeing the chop cup talked about a lot lately. I am just getting back into magic after a while away from it and I am very familiar with cards and coins and sleights, I just never used a chop cup (or maybe I have and didn't know it? :confused: :) )