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Topic: Schoolcraft Flipper
Message: Posted by: Platt (Nov 23, 2008 04:59PM)
I just received my Schoolcraft flipper quarter and am quite impressed. I love the fact that it opens by just holding it on the sides. It's almost like it's just a shell hinged onto a quarter. I'd like to get a "gravity" flipper half dollar like this as well but can't quite rationalize paying another $80. Does anyone know if there's any way to get one of the more reasonably priced flippers to perform like a gravity flipper - Tango, Sasco, etc?
Message: Posted by: MarkTirone (Nov 23, 2008 05:06PM)
Ebay lol. I believe penguinmagic also sells flippers from tango and sasco although I have heard bad things about sasco.
Message: Posted by: coinguy (Nov 23, 2008 05:12PM)
I have heard that tango's gravity flipper is not bad at all. I am not sure if they carry it in silver though. Penguinmagic definitely carries their clad version.
Message: Posted by: Platt (Nov 23, 2008 06:28PM)
I found a Tango Gravity Flipper on the tango website. Cheaper than Schoolcraft, and I'd assume Lassen, but not cheap:

https://www.tangomagic.com/product.php?productid=17110&cat=0&page=1



Are these gravity? All I'm looking for is something that casually opens without having to unnaturally whip it:

http://themagicwarehouse.com/cgi-bin/findit.pl?x_item=JO2954

http://themagicwarehouse.com/cgi-bin/findit.pl?x_item=CO3464
Message: Posted by: ShawnB (Nov 23, 2008 09:06PM)
Platt I think those are standard flippers.. I have not heard of Johnson making a gravity version as of yet...

Best

Shawn
Message: Posted by: jprace (Nov 23, 2008 09:31PM)
As far as I know, the only Gravity Flippers out there are made by Todd Lassen, Jamie Schoolcraft, and Tango. Tango is most likely the cheapest one you'll find.
Message: Posted by: krintz (Nov 23, 2008 10:22PM)
Gravity flippers vs. standard flippers 101:
It's just a matter of the tension of the elastic. As I've said before, ANY flipper can become a grav flipper. Kerpa did a lot of research on the subject, and you should check out his posts.
Schoolcraft has a unique way to deal with the flipper quarter, though... very surprising, but I'll never spill the details :).
And, I must say... I can't wait to get some Lassen stuff.... cannot wait!
Hello, I'm a Gaffaholic,
KRINTZ
Message: Posted by: Platt (Nov 23, 2008 11:03PM)
[quote]
On 2008-11-23 23:22, krintz wrote:
Gravity flippers vs. standard flippers 101:
It's just a matter of the tension of the elastic. As I've said before, ANY flipper can become a grav flipper. [/quote]

So the 70% mark-up for gravity flippers is due to the fact that the manufacturer loosened the tension of the elastic? If that's the case, how can I loosen the elastic on a regular flipper?
Message: Posted by: Tom G (Nov 24, 2008 07:54AM)
Platt, no the gravity flippers are a whole different tech than just a looser elastic. Most have an internal elastic that doesn't show on the rim. Worth taking
a look at the gaff makers sites and read up on the gravity flippers.
Message: Posted by: tbaer (Nov 24, 2008 09:06AM)
[quote]
On 2008-11-14 01:47, Lawrence O wrote:
Good advice on a smart idea, Kerpa, however, as you know, a gravity flipper has also another particularity which is that there is no ridge on the circumference of the insert so a regular Flipper transformed as you described will (I trust) solve the gravity aspect but not the ridge issue (which is admittedly very secondary).

The solution I had found before buying a proper gravity flipper (which you should do if working regularly with the Flipper), was to use a nail file and to bevel the inner part of the insert towards the "hinging" part (this is very easy and takes not more that 15 minutes). Thus, in performance, instead of having to do the small jerking move to dislodge the insert I only had to press with my middle finger against the under part of the flipper and the insert was popping out sufficiently for my first finger to catch the edge of the insert.

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Platt, I haven't personally tried this, but maybe this will solve your regular flipper problem (not the gravity flipper) so you no longer have to "unnaturally whip it".
Message: Posted by: Bill Lhotta (Nov 24, 2008 12:15PM)
Hi Platt,

As was mentioned earlier, all you need to do to convert any standard flipper into a gravity flipper is to change out the rubber band for a larger one with light elasticity. Yes, the band will be on the outer edge of the flipper but it is recessed and no one ever notices this anyway.

Specifically for a half dollar size flipper you will want to use a 0.25 inch band with 2.5 oz of force. You can buy them [url=http://tinyurl.com/6b85ys]Here[/url] or you can PM me and I can send you some so you won't have to buy 5,000 of them like I did!

Credit for this goes to Ron Jaxon who I originally learned this from.

Cheers!

** Bill **
Message: Posted by: Platt (Nov 24, 2008 12:24PM)
Thanks Bill, but I'm afraid it's too late. I already put my order in at Tango.com. My son won't eat for another week and I'll have to prostitute my wife again, but it's okay. I'll have a gravity flipper. Live and learn.
Message: Posted by: Judah Vee (Nov 24, 2008 09:15PM)
http://www.Kreis-Magic.com also makes a nice flipper. It has adjustable tension!! ANd even though they are in Japan, they ship their coins really fast. I got mine in less then a week. And the send them before you pay to inpect the quality..... Just to let people know.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Nov 26, 2008 01:36AM)
Anyone know what size band for an Eisenhower dollar flipper to make it a gravity style?
Message: Posted by: Jaz2005 (Nov 26, 2008 05:16PM)
Hi Guys,
Just to let you know, we make gravity Flippers in several different coins from Eisenhower Dollars, Morgan Dollars, standard Kennedy Half Dollars, Silver Kennedy, Walking Liberty, Several British Coins, Australian 20 cents and many others. We will also make a gravity flipper from your own coins at a price that excludes the cost of the coins.




best regards
jim
Message: Posted by: joseph (Nov 27, 2008 05:36AM)
[url=http://www.hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/?hn=1]Hocus Pocus[/url] now has the Tango gravity coins...(Hot new items section)...
Message: Posted by: GWSchott (Dec 3, 2008 08:43PM)
If you're looking for bands that can be bought in small(ish) quantities try http://www.jawproducts.com
Message: Posted by: Bill Lhotta (Dec 4, 2008 08:32AM)
Hi Chris,

I don't have an Eisenhower flipper to experiment with but my guess would be the same 0.25" band I mentioned for the half dollar may also work for the Eisenhower flipper. Due to the increased weight of the "trap door" on the Eisenhower coin you probably don't need a larger diameter band.

My Lassen Gravity Flipper (Morgan) uses a 3/16" (i.e. 0.1875") band, but the Lassen mechanism is internal which slightly decreases the diameter of the band that is required.

Experiment and let us know your results.

Hope that helps!


** Bill **

[quote]
On 2008-11-26 02:36, Christopher Kavanagh wrote:
Anyone know what size band for an Eisenhower dollar flipper to make it a gravity style?
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Message: Posted by: Motor City (Dec 6, 2008 11:46PM)
Jaw Products no longer handle LATEX bands. The non-latex bands are not satisfactory.
Message: Posted by: Bill Lhotta (Dec 12, 2008 08:59AM)
[quote]
On 2008-12-07 00:46, Motor City wrote:
Jaw Products no longer handle LATEX bands. The non-latex bands are not satisfactory.
[/quote]

I use the non-latex bands all the time and they work with no problem.

** Bill **
Message: Posted by: Ocha (Mar 26, 2009 12:40AM)
Miss post, sorry


Gerald
Message: Posted by: Lawrence O (Mar 28, 2009 12:46PM)
Buy long balloons and cut them in rubber band size. They are latex, they are thinner and they offer a better and softer elasticity. Put three of them as a replacement for one original elastic: if one break as you perform, you're still out of trouble. Just check your rubber band status before leaving to perform.

The price difference between Tango as opposed to Todd Lassen or Jamie Schoolcraft or the UK or Dutch or French coins has lot to do with the fact that Tango is not (to my knowledge) using sterling silver coins. Remember that it takes two coins to make one flipper. If the other coins that Platt is using to perform are nickel as well, the Tango flipper is not a problem. But if the other coins that Platt uses are 1964 silver Kennedy (or any other sterling silver coins), his wife will not be able to rest and his son will keep saving him money on each and every over-weight treatment.

Platt however could silver plate his Tango coin at very little expense if he lost the Schoolcraft one. I posted about this world of possibilities in another thread.
Message: Posted by: Zaprig1 (Apr 7, 2009 08:05PM)
Bill, Thanks for sharing that commonsensical solution! I live near Ron, but have been out of touch with him for a few years, so I need to get a hold of him. He's always got great tips like this!

I have to share this:

Prior to getting my custon gravity flip, I tried boiling some 3/16 bands (about 20 min). I put one on my 18 year old Sasco flipper (Back when they made a nice flipper actually!) and left it open on the pad all night. Low and behold....a great gravity flip! Give the band a good stretch after the boil, and repair the coin.

Both my traditional flips get this attention now as I really use none of "old" pro-flip routines.

Good luck fellow Flippers!!!