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Topic: Backfire Matrixes With NO Extra Coins And NO Gaffs Or Gimmicks
Message: Posted by: Andrew E. Miller (Apr 26, 2003 07:12PM)
I have always liked backfire matrixes, but I want to be able to do it with only four ordinary coins. Any sources? Does something like this exsist?

Thanks for any help,
Andrew

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Message: Posted by: Schaden (Apr 26, 2003 07:14PM)
Do a search, I know this has been talked about. But I think Mr. Kam has a new backfire out on his new video.

Lee
Message: Posted by: KyleHarnish (Apr 26, 2003 07:36PM)
I have one I learned from ben, ask him.
Message: Posted by: Curtis Kam (Apr 26, 2003 07:46PM)
There is one on PoS3. It dates back to the 80's, and I've used it since then. The earliest, and best, I think, include Harry Levine's in "Encore 3" and Mark Lefler's in the introductory section of the Collected Richard's Almanac.
Message: Posted by: wert (Apr 26, 2003 08:09PM)
It's called [i]Reversi[/i] I believe.

Bob Kohler also has a nice one called [i]Return to Spender[/i] in one of Bannons books.
Message: Posted by: Andrew E. Miller (Apr 26, 2003 09:06PM)
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On 2003-04-26 20:36, KyleHarnish wrote:
I have one I learned from ben, ask him.

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Yeah Kyle I know what you are talking about. He taught it to me as well, but it uses a shell. I am looking for no gaffs or gimmicks.

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On 2003-04-26 20:46, Curtis Kam wrote:
There is one on PoS3. It dates back to the 80's, and I've used it since then. The earliest, and best, I think, include Harry Levine's in "Encore 3" and Mark Lefler's in the introductory section of the Collected Richard's Almanac.


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That should do it Curtis. I ordered the DVD from Hocus Pocus last night and I can't wait. Thanks.

Andrew
Message: Posted by: MJ Marrs (Apr 26, 2003 09:46PM)
Shoot Ogawa's one handed matrix and backfire will have your eyes bugging out of your head!

Rumour has it that Bob Kohler will be offering some more of Shoot's killer material on dvd in the future. We can only hope that this routine will be on there.
Message: Posted by: Schaden (Apr 26, 2003 09:54PM)
Everything he has will do that.

Lee
Message: Posted by: Gidon (Apr 26, 2003 10:07PM)
Shoot's stuff is amazing. I've been using his "Slow" and "Quick" matrix with a reset ever since I saw his lecture. The story with it is so good.

You do a matrix fast. Then promise a slow matrix only to have the slow matrix end up in a reverse. Great stuff. He can really control an audience.
Message: Posted by: Darrin Cook (Apr 26, 2003 10:13PM)
Let me recommend Bob Kohler's "Return to Spender" from Impossibilia, as mentioned earlier. It uses four coins and only two cards.

I perform it all the time as a closer. There's just no way you can follow it.
Message: Posted by: Schaden (Apr 26, 2003 10:36PM)
Don't forget Mr. Dill and his videos but I would get in contact with Shoot.

Lee
Message: Posted by: Dave Le Fevre (Apr 28, 2003 06:10AM)
There's a Reverse Matrix (which is what I presume a Backfire Matrix to be) on David Jones' Close-Up video from International Magic.

It uses four (identical) coins, four cards, no gaffs, no duplicates, and it's fairly easy. If I can do it anybody can, and I perform it often.

Dave
Message: Posted by: sdraun (Apr 28, 2003 11:27AM)
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On 2003-04-26 20:12, Andrew E. Miller wrote:
I have always liked backfire matrixes, but I want to be able to do it with only four ordinary coins. Any sources? Does something like this exsist?

Thanks for any help,
Andrew

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Check out a movie I made for you.
http://www.stevedraun.com/films/matrix.wmv

Steve Draun
Message: Posted by: James Harrison (Apr 28, 2003 11:46AM)
Dean Dill's Intimate coin magic has a Matrix plus backfire with no gaffs and no extras.

Plus a lot of other great magic effects with coins.

Definitely worth seeing.
Message: Posted by: Gidon (Apr 28, 2003 12:14PM)
Shoot Ogawa has a great four card four coin reverse matrix. He does it under the guise of doing the matrix so slow you can see it. You see and hear him place coins under a card. When he lifts the card all the coins are back in place.

I think back fire matrix tricks that use one or two extra coins can be just as effective even though you have to hold out.

Out of curiosity, why do you want one with no extra coins?
Message: Posted by: Andrew E. Miller (Apr 28, 2003 06:43PM)
I just don't want to deal with ditching anything or the hassle of having something like a gaff or an extra coin. It leaves me dirty at the end and if I can avoid that then I will do so.

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Gidon (Apr 28, 2003 07:24PM)
I agree it is nicer to end clean. Another good point to do a four coin matrix is that it's sometimes difficult to lug six coins around all the time. When you could just collect four from spectators.

And someone said they learned a matrix from Ben...who's ben? I'd like to learn this shell matrix routine as well.
Message: Posted by: Andrew E. Miller (Apr 28, 2003 07:57PM)
Ben Schwartz is a friend of mine and Kyle's. He lives in our area.

Andrew
Message: Posted by: JC33 (Apr 29, 2003 02:32AM)
Steve Draun,
I really liked the video you posted. Is that routine in print anywhere? It seemed similar to Mark Lefler's Reversi, but I believe that it is a bit different. I'd love to check out your routine.
Message: Posted by: Doomo (Apr 29, 2003 07:03AM)
You know andrew. The one Steve Draun sent you meets all your requirements...
Message: Posted by: Dr. Jakks (Apr 29, 2003 12:43PM)
I really like Dean Dill's Matrix ideas. HE is pure genius.

Jakks
Message: Posted by: Tony (Apr 29, 2003 12:47PM)
Don't forget Michael Rubinstein's called "Two Card Reverse Matrix" with 4 gaffless coins.
Message: Posted by: what (Apr 29, 2003 02:02PM)
I do Dean Dill's "Simple Matrix" (with/without backfire) to my own story line. This routine provided the incentive for me to learn to clasic palm. You can do it standing or sitting, on any table. There's very little to wory about, as far as angles. Four cards, four coins, a close up mat and a story about Harry Potter making a savings deposit. Entertainment at its finest!!
Enjoy,
Mike
Message: Posted by: sdraun (May 4, 2003 03:57PM)
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On 2003-04-29 03:32, JC33 wrote:
Steve Draun,
I really liked the video you posted. Is that routine in print anywhere? It seemed similar to Mark Lefler's Reversi, but I believe that it is a bit different. I'd love to check out your routine.

This routine is in Impossiblia by John Bannon. It's Bob Kholer's Return to Sender. It does meet Andrew's requirements. I have been doing it for years and perhaps it's not exactly like the original. It uses my own vanishes and steals. But it's basically the same. I made the movie for him but I haven't heard anything back. Perhaps he hasn't seen it yet.
Message: Posted by: Schaden (May 4, 2003 04:07PM)
Steve,

That matrix looks a lot like Shoot Ogawa's one handed matrix. Its all starting to look the same Ahhhhhhh.........

:confused:

Lee
Message: Posted by: wert (May 4, 2003 04:11PM)
Steve,
Thanks for posting that movie. Looks great!
Message: Posted by: Bradley Morgan (May 4, 2003 04:19PM)
Cool martrix Mr.Steve.
I like you web site. Nice job.

Brad
Message: Posted by: Clayman (May 4, 2003 05:15PM)
Steve,
Great Matrix!

Somebody wake Andrew up.
Message: Posted by: Andrew E. Miller (May 4, 2003 05:51PM)
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I'm awake now. That was an awesome video Mr. Draun. I would like to see more work from you. Yours was great. I am planning on learning that one, getting some of Mr. Dill's videos, and I waiting for POSIII. It's on backorder. Should have figured.

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Switch (May 4, 2003 06:14PM)
Nice job on the Matrix, Steve.
I also went to your website and had a quick look at some of the other vids. These are also great.

Andrew, here is a link to the site, http://stevedraun.com

Regards
Message: Posted by: Clayman (May 4, 2003 11:44PM)
Steve,
Great site! I think you may be hearing from me soon.
Message: Posted by: johnathanblades (May 5, 2003 12:57AM)
I know Bob King showed me one. I don't know if it is his or not.
Message: Posted by: sdraun (May 7, 2003 07:58AM)
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On 2003-05-04 18:51, Andrew E. Miller wrote:
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I'm awake now. That was an awesome video Mr. Draun. I would like to see more work from you.
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Ok, since you asked, Chink-a-Chink was around long before Matrix. Here is a link to another movie.
http://www.stevedraun.com/films/chinkachink.wmv
Message: Posted by: Bill Citino (May 7, 2003 11:49PM)
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On 2003-04-29 13:47, Tony wrote:
Don't forget Michael Rubinstein's called "Two Card Reverse Matrix" with 4 gaffless coins.
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I definitely agree with Tony. This routine is very nice one. And also the reverse of the coins are done very smoothly with no quickness, if that makes any sense, but I definitely recommend that routine too.
-Bill
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Message: Posted by: Scott F. Guinn (May 8, 2003 05:15AM)
I have a very simple and extremely effective matrix/reverse matrix with only four regular coins in "Great Scott! It's Coin Magic!"
Message: Posted by: Magicmaven (Jul 13, 2004 10:34PM)
Dean Dill's Backfire. Amazing, I perform it.No gimmicks, no extra coins. It's performed with 4 normal coins and 4 normal cards, and a lot of sleight of hand and misdirection