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Topic: What are your closers for Cards and Balls Manipulations?
Message: Posted by: Magic_streak (May 1, 2003 10:32AM)
What do you guys use to end your routines? I'm still thinking of one for my card manipulations and I use snow storm for my billard balls routine. After changing from 4 balls to 1, the last ball melts into a shower of snow. Care to share some of your ideas? :yippee:
Message: Posted by: paraguppie (May 1, 2003 02:36PM)
I am working on my stage routine with cards and balls also. I am using a diminishing deck for the ending of the card routine, where you shrink the cards several times until they vanish. When I have them at the smallest size I am going to turn them into a snowstorm, like you are doing with your ball. I found a huge card castle on ebay that is about 4 feet tall that I am going to throw in there somewhere.

As for the ball routine, I am not sure how to end that yet. I have a fakini diminishing ball where it gets smaller until it's gone, but it's too close to the diminishing deck. Not sure yet. Let me know how it goes for you. Take care,

Keith
Message: Posted by: -The Scot- (May 1, 2003 03:28PM)
Cards from mouth ends my card routine. Although I may purchase a pair of Tony Clark's Jumbo Card Fan productions to do before it, then completely out of the blue pull a stream of cards from my mouth.
Message: Posted by: Magic_streak (May 2, 2003 06:10AM)
I'm also thinking of ending with cards from mouth, and perhaps shooting cards into the audience. I wanted to use an appearing cane as a closer but decided to put it as an opener for the whole show instead. For the balls routine, I wanted to change it into an egg and break it into a glass, but that may lead people to think I've been handling eggs all the while. Hmm..

para, don't you think using diminishing sequences for both cards and balls will be a little boring and repetitive for the show in the whole? Why not try something different? Like streamers or something?
Message: Posted by: -The Scot- (May 2, 2003 07:20AM)
Ball to Kabuki Streamer, or if the ball is red you can get red throw streamers at http://www.ronjo.com. It adds an exclamation mark at the end of the routine, saying 'thats me done'

:lol:
Message: Posted by: Tom Cutts (May 2, 2003 09:05AM)
It would be a very nice call back for a magician to take every thing he produces and make it diminish into oblivion. Not a snowstorm every time but the balls could turn into pure light (D'lite)

Instead of a cane vanishing in a flash, you diminish it into nothing. The diminishes would need to be less showy, ex. have fewer "show it slightly dimmished" poses.

At some point the audience is going to wonder what you are going to make vanish next. SO, why are things appearing and why do you vanish them when you are done. That is for you answer but here is one.

The cane appears to open the show and help you do magic. At the end of the show you are done so you sqeeze the cane away into nothingness.

:cool:

Tom
Message: Posted by: markis (May 2, 2003 11:37AM)
Card routine- cards from mouth then slam them down on a table to a card castle.

Ball routine- dancing pool que
Message: Posted by: boltt223 (May 4, 2003 10:23PM)
Right now I close my ball manipulation with diminishing ball. It works for me. :smiles:
Message: Posted by: DJ Trix (May 16, 2003 03:20PM)
For cards I would say the interlock production.
Message: Posted by: BenSchwartz (May 16, 2003 04:49PM)
Hey guys... get creative...

For my ending to cards...I have a huge burst of light and then a huge fan of jumbo cards....

For my ball manip I end with changing the last ball into a parakeet.
Message: Posted by: M@gic Man (May 18, 2003 03:54AM)
I use the billiard ball climax, never fails to get a great reaction.

:wow:
Message: Posted by: Magic_streak (May 18, 2003 09:59AM)
Billard ball climax, is that the flash four production?

I think Jumbo cards production for an ending is a nice and powerful way to end a routine, maybe I'll try it out.

Anyone using streamers or flying cards?
Message: Posted by: -The Scot- (May 18, 2003 10:18AM)
[quote]Billard ball climax, is that the flash four production?[/quote]
Yes, Billiard Ball Climax and Flash Four Production are the same thing Magic_streak.
Message: Posted by: Magic_streak (May 19, 2003 09:31AM)
All right, thanks Scot! Have you seen Jeff Daniels perform his manipulation ball act? He was standing by a river and his act ended with the flash four and a rose between his lips. Cool Stuff!! :cool:
Message: Posted by: Magique Hands (May 21, 2003 01:46PM)
After producing 4 balls, I produce a 5th ball, and then immediately produce the Ball Climax...bam, bam, bam.

Audience reactions are great! The Ball Climax is a wonderful applause cue.

- - Troy
Message: Posted by: delpfin (May 22, 2003 03:35AM)
I making balls multiply in sequence with cigarettes. I make balls appear from cigarette smoke and disappear in cigarete smoke.

At the end, I make a flash from cigarettes and produce a big cigar.
Message: Posted by: Magic_streak (May 22, 2003 10:54AM)
[quote]
On 2003-05-22 04:35, delpfin wrote:
I making balls multiplication in sequence with cigarette. I appear bals from cigarete smoke end disapear ball in cigarete smoke.
At ending i make flash from cigarete and produce big cigar.
[/quote]

Now that's something new - - interesting. ;)
Message: Posted by: zombieboy (Jul 26, 2003 03:47PM)
I close my card routine by doing two one-handed roll outs of eight cards total, then I turn with my back to the audience. When I turn back around, I am wearing a Japanese Kabuki mask.

I close my ball routine with a simple vanish of the final ball, giving it closure.
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Jul 26, 2003 08:46PM)
I like these ideas being posted, but must admit they all have been done to death before. With the exception of a few, they are all a bit redundant.

With this said, lets think creative. Let's think outside of this box of what has been done or tried before and venture into new grounds for manipulation acts and closers for acts.

Why must we always end by doing a snowstorm or streamer or jumbo cards or card castle? Not to say any of these are wrong, but there certainly has to be more out there that has not been explored yet.

Let me also put this out on the table. Why must all manip. acts just be a straightforward showing of skill? Why can't a manip. act be done with a clear cut idea and theme around it. In fact, why can't a manip. act have a reason for being performed instead of a simple, " Look what I can do," attitude?

This can lead us into many areas for discussion and I hope it sparks a lot of feeedback and gets the ideas flowing.

Just for starters on this idea, why can't the billard ball become something more then just a ball? Can't this object become something different then what we say it is?

A ball could become different things such as:
- A lollipop. Add a stick to the bottom of the ball and wrap the ball with some flash paper. Simply take this up and unwrap it. The stick falls off and the ball falls to the ground. Heartbroken the paper gets burned and in a flash another one appears in your hand.

- A Musical note - Why not have a musical note shown on a black board. The board shows this white musical note. You peel off the bottom section of the note and magically it turns into a 3-d naote. Maybe whenever this gets vanished, the music stops along with it. Maybe this becomes manipulation of music.

These ideas are not ment to be concrete, but more to serve as an example of how a manip. act could become something so much more than the norm we see today.

I hope that this will help us all to think creatively in regards to our endings and open us up to better and brighter ideas.

I can be reached for immediate feedback at magic4u02@aol.com. I hope to hear from some of you on this.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Jul 28, 2003 09:28PM)
[quote]
On 2003-07-26 21:46, magic4u02 wrote:
*I like these ideas being posted, but must admit they all have been done to death before.

**Let's think outside of the box

***Why must we always end by doing a snowstorm or streamer or jumbo cards or card castle?

****Why must all manip. acts just be a straightforward showing of skill?
Why can't a manip. act be done with a clear cut idea and theme around it.

*****" Look what I can do," attitude?

[/quote]

*Kyle, I see nothing wrong with their post.
There are millions of spectators who still haven't seen their endings before.

**Not me, I'm staying inside the box of entertainment with magic.

***We don't all end our act that way.

****But Kyle, I swear many manipulation acts do have a theme. I was also entertained by acts with no theme.

*****But Kyle, you should look at we can do.
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Jul 28, 2003 09:58PM)
Mike:
I am sorry that you feel this way, but that is certainly your own opinion and you are entitled to it.

My feeling is that most performers do not challenge themselves enough. They too often mimic and copy what other performers have already done. This does no one any good and certainly does not give your audience what they really deserve.

When I refer to thinking outside of the box, I am referring to thinking creatively with your act and what you do. To me it is not enough to be another Jeff McBride or another Lance Burton. Push yourself to do something different and something that has not been done so many times before. Instead of being a Jeff McBride... Be yourself and find out exactly who you are.

Performers do not do this. Why? Because to be quite honest, many of us are just too lazy. Being creative and pushing the artform takes a lot of work. Many do not want to work at it. For most, it is just as easy not to think. It is much easier to just use and perform what everyone else is already doing.

Some manipulative acts have themes and some have made a manipulative act into something a bit new and different. But, this is too few and far between.

Too many of us just get out there and do a display of pure skill with moves and sequences that have already been done to death. Is this ok? Sure it is if you just want to show skill and nothing more. But I ask you this. Why? Why bother doing what has been done already? Why not give your audience more then that? Give them something they can remember you by.

Push the artform in new directions. This is just my opinion on the matter and I look forward to anyone's comments or thoughts.

Thank you Mike for at least being honest with your thoughts even if I do disagree with them.
Message: Posted by: maylor (Jul 29, 2003 05:27AM)
magic4uo2, I agree completely. Well said.

I for one can't even imagine what the fun is in ripping off somebody elses act, theme or style. The creative process in coming up with something new, which hasn't been seen before is for me one of the most enjoyable aspects of magic.

What's the point of trying to be somebody else? You'll never be as good, you'll for always just be an imitator! Indeed how much talent does it take to just copy? This pens the question - just how many talentless performers are out there?

Don't do yourself or your audiences an injustice- get creative, display your talents and ensure that this art of ours continues to flourish and evolve!

Remember: There's no scenary in familiarity!
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Jul 29, 2003 06:59AM)
Maylor:
Thank you so much for your kind words. I do appreciate it and it is nice to hear someone else is thinking along the same lines as I am. I only wish Mike would post back here as I would like to hear more of his thoughts and comments on the subject. Perhaps we misunderstood each other.

I also agree that the creative process is indeed one of the fun parts of magic. I also strongly agree that our audiences deserve more from us. In order to push the artform in new directions, we must all do our part to be as creative as we can in what we do.

Thanks again.