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Topic: Magic Class (charge?)
Message: Posted by: gocall911 (May 1, 2003 06:51PM)
I plan on teaching a magic class for 11-year olds and up. It will last about 6 weeks, 2 hours or so a week. I wanted to know what you think would be a good price to charge? I plan on buying everything needed for the class for them. Maybe even a book such as [i]Showmanship for Magicians[/i]. I think that's much needed reading for any magician!

Any ideas on what a fair price would be?
Message: Posted by: Ron Reid (May 1, 2003 10:04PM)
Hi gocall911:

Concerning what to charge: Who will you be doing this for? Community Education Departments in school district? Parks and Recreation? Also, what city and state will you be doing this in? Price will vary by city.

Some places will want to pay you their "instructor's fee" which is an hourly wage they pay to all their instructors. In that case, you take their offer or leave it. Others will hire you on as an independent contractor, so you can charge them a flat fee.

I think it's a smart idea to charge a flat fee for each class (or for the whole 6 week course), AND a per-student supplies fee.

Anyway, let me know the details and I think I can give you an idea of what to charge.

Ron Reid
Message: Posted by: gocall911 (May 1, 2003 10:40PM)
I'm in NewCastle, VA (it's near Roanoke). I will be doing this independently. I'm just doing it for the kidsó if they want to learn then that's what I do.

Thanks for all the help so far Ron. I'm looking forword to finding out what you think a good price would be. If you need to know any thing else let me know.
Message: Posted by: Daniel Faith (May 6, 2003 12:07AM)
I have done lessons for $25/hour. The class usually lasts 1.5 hours though. I would only do private lessons as well. You lose out doing it for an organization.
Message: Posted by: gocall911 (May 6, 2003 01:49PM)
Private lessons is all I plan on doing.

Hey, Ron you ever going to come back and tell me what you think?
Message: Posted by: lhughes (May 22, 2003 10:14PM)
Hi Gocall

I have always compared magic classes to the cost of other forms of educational enrichment that parents are willing to pay for. For instance, what do piano instructors charge in your area? In my area, piano instructors get $10/half hour. Likewise, I have seen sewing instructors charge $10 per hour and work with 6 students at a time.

I believe that we need to promote the values and skills of learning magic further. As an educator (a grade 3 teacher), I give detailed information about the benefits to potential clients and suddenly they realize that their child is not going to just learn a few tricks, but something that will enhance and promote their marketable skills and knowledge in the future. I have conducted small studies on students who have taken classes from me and they score higher on standardized school examinations.

Now, I consider that parents are receiving a great value and a fair price if I charge $10 per half hour or $10 for an hour to each student if the student is willing to work in small groups of 4-8 students. That lets me make $40 to $80 an hour. Since sewing students pay for their own supplies, I tell parents that students will as well (although once in a while I splurge or buy things that become the property of the magic class).
Message: Posted by: gocall911 (May 22, 2003 11:00PM)
Thanks that helped a lot!
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (May 23, 2003 05:40AM)
Check out these Magic Class Programs:
[*][url=http://www.magic-hotline.com/cgi-bin/ams/shopzone30.cgi/~kentc/magiccourse.html?sid=AGKHd-0lC2fR5ms-23103455534.1e][b]After School Magic Program[/b][/url]
[*][url=http://www.timthemagician.com/outline.html][b]Magic Course[/b][/url]
[*][url=http://www.timthemagician.com/merchkits.html][b]What to Teach[/b][/url]
Message: Posted by: gocall911 (May 23, 2003 02:33PM)
Thanks Dennis! Those links were great! :thumbsup:
Message: Posted by: windrunner (Aug 27, 2011 07:36PM)
I host magic camps every summer. A minimum of four. I have also held magic classes in after school programs. Having a class once a week is more difficult that a camp where you have the kids everyday. My camps are 2 hrs a day for a week and on Friday we have a show for the families. I host the camps through rec-centers. The total 2011 charge is $84 per child $70 for the camp and a $14 Supply fee. (I buy everything wholesale) The rec-centers take 30% of the $70 dollars for their marketing and location. I usually max out at 20 kids or close to it every camps. Normally hold one camp in the morning and one camp in the afternoon. I hope this helps.
Message: Posted by: teachersears (Aug 30, 2011 06:47AM)
Bryan. Are these city owned rec centers? You just contact the centers and get your name on the list of summer offerings? Thanks.
Message: Posted by: MrGreggy (Aug 31, 2011 06:10PM)
Are you talking about "Showmanship for Magicians" by Fritzkee? For 11 year olds. WAY too advanced. It is good to teach showmanship, that's for sure. But find a book that's better suited to their age level. As for price to charge, the advice of looking at other tutors in your area is a good idea.

Tommy Johns has a great system for teaching magic classes.

Another way to earn extra money from classes is to charge a materials fee. In the case of a magician, this is perfectly acceptable. Cards, ropes, handkerchief, etc. Also include a book or instruction sheet if possible. I have an instant-author kit available called "Learn Magic" that works perfectly for magic classes.

Holding a "show-off" day at the end of the program is an excellent idea. We do that at Circus Camp each summer. It's a day camp, 8-10 one week session throughout the summer. Each week I teach about 15 magic classes (and 5 balloon twisting classes) and on the last day of camp we have our show-off day. It's a huge hit, and the kids really look forward to it. In recent years I've been including simple illusions (from the Victory Carton Illusion book) and they're perfect. Easy to make, easy to adapt to just about any number of students (within reason) and fun to rehearse.

Good luck!
Message: Posted by: Christopher Lyle (Aug 31, 2011 06:36PM)
You need to keep things VERY BASIC! Remember...these are kids who have likely never done magic before. I taught a Magic class this summer in June and again in early August for a gifted students program for their summer enrichment studies. The goal of the class was to teach them magic with objects they could find laying around their house. Stuff with pens and pencils, rulers, rubber bands, coins, money, paper, napkins, cups, etc.

I also made a DVD that taught everything that I was teaching during the course of the week that each student received on the final day of class so they could go home and watch the DVD so the education would continue after the class was over.

Here's a little something that I found online about it with a little video they put together about my class...


These were a bunch of kids that were from elementary school up to 8th Grade whom had never tried magic and they all took to it. By the end of the class week, many of them were able to stand up and perform a few bits of business before their class mates.

As for pricing...

You need to bill what you want for it + expenses. My overhead was very inexpensive as I was teaching stuff that could be done with everyday objects...so a trip the the magic shop wasn't necessary!
Message: Posted by: windrunner (Aug 31, 2011 10:07PM)
Teachersears, Some rec-centers are city owned and some are not. Some are non-profit and some are not. When deciding to work with a rec-center it is important to know that they send out a summer camp magazine or pamphlet every spring. If they don't, you will never have the number of kids you want and need. It is also important to make sure that the center has a private room that is large enough and will do what you need it to do. I have been hosting magic camps very successfully for over 10 years now. I will be happy to answer any questions that anyone has on the topic. If you want detailed information, I wrote a book on magic camps a few years ago. You can check it out on my website http://www.vandorenmagic.com I love hosting magic camps. I hold at least 4 every summer. I hope this helps