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Topic: Sideshow Lovers in Psychology Class
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 12, 2009 12:06PM)
If your Professor asks you to define punk, don't use the sideshow definition!
It won't go well...
Message: Posted by: Todd Robbins (Jan 12, 2009 04:24PM)
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On 2009-01-12 13:06, critter wrote:
If your Professor asks you to define punk, don't use the sideshow definition!
It won't go well...
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Sounds like there is a story to be told here?
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Jan 12, 2009 08:49PM)
Sideshow definition is anyone under 18. ANYONE. What's the beef?
Message: Posted by: erikkloeker (Jan 12, 2009 11:53PM)
Phew, thank god I turned 19 last October!
Message: Posted by: thegreatnippulini (Jan 13, 2009 07:43AM)
Well..... punk as a musical preference? Punk as in MTV's prank show? Or jail term punk, which is what the big guy named bubba will do to you in his cell after lights out?

19? I thought you were older than that. I'm about twice your age and these old timers call ME a kid, you must be a babbling babe.
Message: Posted by: airship (Jan 13, 2009 10:19AM)
Punk as in that smoldering wick you use to light fuses?
Message: Posted by: Todd Robbins (Jan 13, 2009 10:58AM)
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On 2009-01-13 00:53, erikkloeker wrote:
Phew, thank god I turned 19 last October!
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Some people are punks no matter what the age. I, of course, don't refer to you Erik. You are with it, for it and never against it.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 14, 2009 09:33AM)
It began with "Well, if you mean a pickled punk..."
I don't like the direction punk music headed.
Ramones, good. Sex Pistols, listenable. KMFDF, yuck. That's my opinion though.
You have to realize that my psych teacher is easy to mess with. He's the sort that believes in auras and that firewalking is some kind of "Jedi mind trick.TM"
Message: Posted by: Stephon (Jan 14, 2009 10:53AM)
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On 2009-01-14 10:33, critter wrote:
He's the sort that believes in auras and that firewalking is some kind of "Jedi mind trick.TM"
[/quote]Well then he's got as much business teaching a science course as Ghengis Khan would teaching about Gandhi.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 14, 2009 01:39PM)
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On 2009-01-14 11:53, Stephon wrote:
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On 2009-01-14 10:33, critter wrote:
He's the sort that believes in auras and that firewalking is some kind of "Jedi mind trick.TM"
[/quote]Well then he's got as much business teaching a science course as Ghengis Khan would teaching about Gandhi.
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That's kind of what I thought. But psych is one of my requirements for my major so whattayagonnado?
Message: Posted by: thegreatnippulini (Jan 15, 2009 08:28AM)
KMFDM is far from punk. More like industrial goth dance style, then Ministry stole their style, then Rob Zombie stole Ministry's sound and look. None of these bands can be called punk, check any song file for title and category. Punk music actually originated here in the states, but like all Brits, they take a good thing, mess it up and call it their own. Then the even more stupid American punks stole it back and whipped in a little Johnny Cash and we have Rockabilly (an offshoot of punk). Nowadays we have creampuff punk (more crap for the masses, more palatable than true punk) like Blink 182 and the Offspring. Green Day is wannabe punk. You can measure real punk rock by the collective amount of track marks on the band members and their home made tattoos.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 15, 2009 09:44AM)
My friend Ken was heavily into the SLC punk scene. He was all excited when the movie came out. My other friend Mike was just a little late for the spawning of Florida Death Metal.
I don't think it's really possible to say for sure what is punk from a linguistic standpoint. The punk pioneers like Siouxsie and the Pistols usually denied being punk. Siouxsie also denied being goth, as did Bauhaus. In fact, the only band I know ever copped to a label in that generation was Joy Division, who pretty much invented the goth label being used for their particular musical genre. But goth was thought of as an offshoot of punk, and almost no bands admitted to being either.
And the so called "goths" nowadays have never even heard of Bauhaus, and the few that have heard Joy Division only know it because they really liked the Crow, but only because Brandon Lee was pretty.
Then again, the Joy Division song in that movie was performed by Trent Reznor, an industrial? musician. So does that mean that the Hot Topic kids are right and NIN really IS goth because they did a goth song(?) Very existential.
Labels schmabels. It's all music. Some of it's good, some of it's crap.
In the words of the greatest sailor ever, "I yam what I yam."
Punk=Mohawks, therefore Mr.T was the greatest punk ever.
Off to my math test.
TTFN.
Message: Posted by: Rotten (Jan 15, 2009 12:37PM)
You don't use the word Punk in prison unless you are ready to fight. It's the WORST insult.

I like good music. I don't know what to label it as it is very eclectic. When I was a teen I loved the Dead Milkmen. I can't even listen to it at this age. Tastes change. I'm now smooth jazz all the way.

Psych teachers and working psychs have issues. They are trying to heal themselves by fixing others. My personal oppinion of course but I have met allot of quacks in that biz. No offense Critter. I almost went into it myself before realizing I was just too messed up to help strangers beyond entertaining them.

Math test? The one single reason I did not persue higher education. I despise numbers.
Message: Posted by: Freak Prodigy (Jan 15, 2009 12:37PM)
So uhhhh, yeah...

Pickled punks, right?
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 15, 2009 01:31PM)
Yeah, someone else brought up the prison punk thing after my "outburst." He silenced the room.
I still like Dead Milkmen. Especially the weird stand-up comedy/beat poetry things they do like "Stuart"
No offense taken. My major is Physical Therapy and Kinesiology, not psych.
Without getting too into my personal history, I have known too many ****** up shrinks.
The director of Eastern State Mental Hospital came to our class today and the whole time she was talking I was thinking "BULL****!!! That's not what it's like at all!"

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On 2009-01-15 13:37, Rotten wrote:
You don't use the word Punk in prison unless you are ready to fight. It's the WORST insult.

I like good music. I don't know what to label it as it is very eclectic. When I was a teen I loved the Dead Milkmen. I can't even listen to it at this age. Tastes change. I'm now smooth jazz all the way.

Psych teachers and working psychs have issues. They are trying to heal themselves by fixing others. My personal oppinion of course but I have met allot of quacks in that biz. No offense Critter. I almost went into it myself before realizing I was just too messed up to help strangers beyond entertaining them.

Math test? The one single reason I did not persue higher education. I despise numbers.
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Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 15, 2009 01:32PM)
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On 2009-01-15 13:37, Freak Prodigy wrote:
So uhhhh, yeah...

Pickled punks, right?
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Right.
Message: Posted by: ringmaster (Jan 22, 2009 10:45PM)
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On 2009-01-12 21:49, Doug Higley wrote:
Sideshow definition is anyone under 18. ANYONE. What's the beef?
[/quote] Just the nice ones, the rest are pizzukes.
Message: Posted by: drwilson (Jan 23, 2009 03:34PM)
Those hideous cat things with the fringe around them that you attempt to knock down with baseballs in the game joint are also "punks." Those things scared me more as a kid than the flying monkeys in Wizard of Oz.

If you think about it, there is a relationship between punk, as in the fiber that lets you carry a spark, and punk, as in a cheap doll, likely stuffed with the same material. Punk in the sense of a doll, a fake little person, seems like the origin of pickled punk, meaning that the thing is a doll or fake rather than a real fetus or baby.

In Elizabethan English, it was slang for a prostitute, relating to the prison term, perhaps only accidentally.

Funny how "guy," which in American slang is a generic term for an adult male, originates in the flammable doll that is ignited on November 5 in Britain. "Guy" is innocent slang in America, but "punk" is pretty negative even outside of prison.

Yours,

Paul
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Jan 23, 2009 04:08PM)
Flying monkeys...

http://www.buysuperflymonkey.com/?Click=1283&gclid=CMy_he_ZpZgCFQFvGgodC3PunQ
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 25, 2009 01:10PM)
That's very interesting. Etymology is fun!

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On 2009-01-23 16:34, drwilson wrote:
Those hideous cat things with the fringe around them that you attempt to knock down with baseballs in the game joint are also "punks." Those things scared me more as a kid than the flying monkeys in Wizard of Oz.

If you think about it, there is a relationship between punk, as in the fiber that lets you carry a spark, and punk, as in a cheap doll, likely stuffed with the same material. Punk in the sense of a doll, a fake little person, seems like the origin of pickled punk, meaning that the thing is a doll or fake rather than a real fetus or baby.

In Elizabethan English, it was slang for a prostitute, relating to the prison term, perhaps only accidentally.

Funny how "guy," which in American slang is a generic term for an adult male, originates in the flammable doll that is ignited on November 5 in Britain. "Guy" is innocent slang in America, but "punk" is pretty negative even outside of prison.

Yours,

Paul
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Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 29, 2009 11:39AM)
What do you even say to a punk with two black eyes?










Nothing you haven't already said to him twice!
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Jan 29, 2009 02:23PM)
There was a psyche study done at a major University using one of my Mers. I forget all the details but it was interesting at the time. At least a part of me went to school. :)

Paul: Pickeled Punk is the term for a REAL dead baby under glass....BOUNCER is the term for a fake.

Again, Punk is the carney generic term for a kid or child and has no mean meaning unless it's deserved.
Message: Posted by: drwilson (Jan 29, 2009 03:06PM)
Hey Doug,

Thanks, I had forgotten that in my mad rush to make the word make sense. Full size is a guy, small is a punk.

Yours,

Paul
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Jan 29, 2009 03:21PM)
Small is a midget...Punk is age specific. There are some pretty large big boned punks in Iowa!
Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 29, 2009 05:21PM)
Nice!

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On 2009-01-29 15:23, Doug Higley wrote:
There was a psyche study done at a major University using one of my Mers. I forget all the details but it was interesting at the time. At least a part of me went to school. :)

Paul: Pickeled Punk is the term for a REAL dead baby under glass....BOUNCER is the term for a fake.

Again, Punk is the carney generic term for a kid or child and has no mean meaning unless it's deserved.
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Message: Posted by: critter (Jan 29, 2009 05:24PM)
I brought my professor some case studies where neurobiological psychologists were using magic tricks to study the brain and how it responds to various misdirection.
I think I am now OK in his book. I still think he could use a good shot of healthy scientific skepticism...