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Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jan 13, 2009 01:57PM)
Okay, tough times call for tough measures. I know for sure page rankings can be increased by the number of hits to your websites from "different" IPs. Clicking 2000 times from the same PC is a waste of time.

So, I will start out by stating, click on mine and I will click on yours:

http://www.MagicSA.com

Not asking for reviews just a quick click and I will be back during free time and start clicking on others (Entertainers helping Entertainers).

Gentlemen, start your clicking. :dance:
Message: Posted by: montymagi (Jan 13, 2009 02:14PM)
Clicked, http://www.magicbymonty.com

This is a great idea.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jan 13, 2009 02:35PM)
You just got one click Monty.

Give it a week and check your page rank today and in seven days then prove me wrong gang. :cool:
Message: Posted by: montymagi (Jan 13, 2009 02:38PM)
I will click on every one I see here. I check most of them out anyway if there is a website on a person's profile.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jan 13, 2009 02:40PM)
Dittos here also Monty.

I mention my website regularly to my audiences for this very purpose. I use business cards for potential customers.
Message: Posted by: ebusojar (Jan 13, 2009 02:45PM)
Seems like a great way to help out other magicians. I will be more than happy to visit all of the sites I see posted here.

Good Luck to all!

Evan
Message: Posted by: montymagi (Jan 13, 2009 02:51PM)
Evan I like your homepage is that Flash?
Message: Posted by: Matthew W (Jan 13, 2009 02:55PM)
http://mattstevensmagic.com
http://hudsonvalleymagician.com
http://rocklandcountymagician.com
http://orangecountymagic.com

I clicked the ones here so far.
Message: Posted by: Stephen Williams (Jan 13, 2009 02:55PM)
This sounds like a great idea! Mine in http://www.swmagic.co.uk
I will also click on any others posted.
Ste
Message: Posted by: jackturk (Jan 13, 2009 03:08PM)
Not sure how much this will help, but hey, it's a deal!

http://www.nwmagician.com
http://www.kidzwiz.com

--J
Message: Posted by: montymagi (Jan 13, 2009 03:11PM)
Jack, if you get enough hits like this, and I think we will, it makes a big diffrence in where you rank on google. My wife has a web desing and web hosting company and recomends stuff like this all the time. The more hits the better. Also having links on other websites seem to make a diffrence.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jan 13, 2009 04:46PM)
[quote]
On 2009-01-13 16:11, spacecop wrote:
Jack, if you get enough hits like this, and I think we will, it makes a big diffrence in where you rank on google. My wife has a web desing and web hosting company and recomends stuff like this all the time. The more hits the better. Also having links on other websites seem to make a diffrence.
[/quote]

Right on. As long as its coming from different IP addresses its a done deal. Google just about anything that is high and you will see how many hits it has. Im sure there are some more factors but this is the primary factor.

Hit everyone on here so far, keep em coming new peoples! Jan is a slow month!

Links also help like SpaceCop says!

Here is my other site please: http://www.CandiniMagic.com

Candin
Message: Posted by: magicofCurtis (Jan 13, 2009 05:24PM)
WOW. Lots of sites to click on. Keep in mind when you are on your laptop and you go to a coffee shop or a friends house new IP addy...

http://www.CurtisLovell.com
http://www.Attractthemedia.com
http://www.Magicappearances.com

Cheers
Curtis
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jan 13, 2009 05:31PM)
Hey Curtis, nice to have you drop by.

Three clicks:)
Message: Posted by: Shawn D (Jan 13, 2009 05:50PM)
Great idea Candini,
http://www.magicianshawndurham.com
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jan 13, 2009 05:56PM)
Welcome Shawn, another click.
Message: Posted by: montymagi (Jan 13, 2009 06:11PM)
Clicks all around!
Message: Posted by: Scott Burton (Jan 13, 2009 06:54PM)
I clicked on you, would you be so kind to return the favour?

http://www.OutOfHisMind.ca
http://www.MostFunEver.ca

I don't know if this really works but I have never been that on top of this techno stuff.

Thanks,
Scott
Message: Posted by: Mark Roberts (Jan 13, 2009 07:05PM)
To be honest..not sure if this really works....

Still...I've clicked everyone else's so...

http://www.illusionsofthemind.co.uk

Mark
Message: Posted by: Doughlas (Jan 13, 2009 08:09PM)
Helping all around, that's what's great about this place.

Here's mine...

http://www.paranormalmind.com
Message: Posted by: jlibby (Jan 13, 2009 08:48PM)
Hey, worth a shot, even if Candin and I are in the same territory. :)

http://www.joelibby.net
Message: Posted by: magicofCurtis (Jan 13, 2009 09:05PM)
Actually, I think it helps more if you click the link in a google result! Google weighs the clicks with the key word searches and how long the clicker stays on the site and how fast the site loads....
Message: Posted by: ScottRSullivan (Jan 13, 2009 11:04PM)
I thought this only worked if you click on a Wednesday, while eating a grilled cheese sandwich.

*grin*
Message: Posted by: Bradley Roberts (Jan 14, 2009 03:17AM)
That was a lot of clicking for me. Well I will throw mine out there too... http://www.bradkidsmagic.com

Cheers,
B-Rad
Message: Posted by: DanielGreenWolf (Jan 14, 2009 03:21AM)
Scott... it's got to be Sharp Cheddar cheese. Any wussy "Mild" cheeses and you're out of luck.

Being the shameless self-promotional "[i]ho[/i]" that I am, I pass my site on to be clicked and shall click everyone elses. I've got a few minutes to kill.

[url]http://www.GreenWolfMagic.com[/url]

However, if I click on anyone's page and they have an obnoxious combination of colors that give me an epilectic seizure, I will be forced to come to your home and beat the "Magic for all Occasions" out of you. :P
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jan 14, 2009 06:21AM)
[quote]
On 2009-01-13 21:48, jlibby wrote:
Hey, worth a shot, even if Candin and I are in the same territory. :)

http://www.joelibby.net
[/quote]

Hey there Joe, there is always a time when we are overbooked. ;)

Candin
Message: Posted by: M Sini (Jan 14, 2009 08:21AM)
OK guys, I clicked them all from my work computer and I'll be sure to click them again when I get home. Saw some pretty good websites along the way.


http://www.sinimagic.com
Message: Posted by: slydini (Jan 14, 2009 09:21AM)
What a great idea! I have clicked on all above links. Here is mine. http://www.themagicofpaul.com
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jan 14, 2009 09:54AM)
Clicked Slydini....................
Message: Posted by: montymagi (Jan 14, 2009 10:12AM)
Wow I feel like a mythbuster. We will see if this works or not. I reject your reality and replace my own.
Message: Posted by: ebusojar (Jan 14, 2009 10:31AM)
Hey Spacecop,

Yeah, it's an entirely flash based site with an HTML backup in case people don't have flash already installed on their computers. Glad you enjoyed it!

There are some really cool sites up here, so just for the ideas and inspiration it's worth it to click on them all!

Feeling Inspired,

Evan (p.s. my site is posted below in my signature for people who want to check it out! Thanks!)
Message: Posted by: Bradley Roberts (Jan 14, 2009 10:59AM)
Myth Buster... Increasing page rank is not by clicks to your site. That will increase your traffic reports to your site only. It is by links to your site and links from your site.

From Google....
PageRank relies on the uniquely democratic nature of the web by using its vast link structure as an indicator of an individual page's value. In essence, Google interprets a link from page A to page B as a vote, by page A, for page B. But, Google looks at more than the sheer volume of votes, or links a page receives; it also analyzes the page that casts the vote. Votes cast by pages that are themselves "important" weigh more heavily and help to make other pages "important". ”

What this means is the more links you have on your site out and the more you have pointing to your site will increse your page ranking. So this is not a bad thing to post one here. Also would be good to have one linking back to the Café from your site. Does not have to be on the main page.

Here is a link to rules to better your Google Rankings.
http://www.ssw.com.au/ssw/standards/rules/RulestoBetterGoogleRankings.aspx

Cheers,
B-Rad
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Jan 14, 2009 11:44AM)
Great idea folks and I am always one for trying new things and helping each other out. I already clicked on every single site above so far in this thread. here is mine.

[url]http://www.kyleandkellymagic.com[/url]

Thanks guys and I will tune into this thread every now and then to click on new ones as well. My pleasure.

Kyle
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jan 14, 2009 02:26PM)
[quote]
On 2009-01-14 11:59, Bradley Roberts wrote:
Myth Buster... Increasing page rank is not by clicks to your site. That will increase your traffic reports to your site only. It is by links to your site and links from your site.

From Google....
PageRank relies on the uniquely democratic nature of the web by using its vast link structure as an indicator of an individual page's value. In essence, Google interprets a link from page A to page B as a vote, by page A, for page B. But, Google looks at more than the sheer volume of votes, or links a page receives; it also analyzes the page that casts the vote. Votes cast by pages that are themselves "important" weigh more heavily and help to make other pages "important". ”

What this means is the more links you have on your site out and the more you have pointing to your site will increse your page ranking. So this is not a bad thing to post one here. Also would be good to have one linking back to the Café from your site. Does not have to be on the main page.

Here is a link to rules to better your Google Rankings.
http://www.ssw.com.au/ssw/standards/rules/RulestoBetterGoogleRankings.aspx

Cheers,
B-Rad
[/quote]

Then it makes me wonder how I got my first website on the front page......
Message: Posted by: montymagi (Jan 15, 2009 11:01AM)
My wife the web goddess says that it will take about 30 days for the results to populate (what ever that means).
Message: Posted by: Vick (Jan 15, 2009 11:53AM)
Ok I gave it a try

Saw a few nice sites


http://www.illusionsbyvick.com
Message: Posted by: mleskanic (Jan 15, 2009 02:08PM)
Great idea!


http://www.abracadabramagic.weebly.com
Message: Posted by: Bradley Roberts (Jan 15, 2009 05:52PM)
Candin,

One thing that helps is to have your information in your Meta Title and Keywords of the market you are targeting. This you have. This will help in getting you on the first page of google and the other search engines.

Example.... Say your website is bubbatheclown.com

Having just the domain name as the title and keywords will not help if you are trying to target Las Vegas Party Clown. I see that a lot people over look this. You want to have your target market and keywords in in your Meta information. This is just one thing that helps.

You also what to have it on your site in Text. (That Candin does have) That is another thing that helps to get you on the first page.

Page Rank results from a "ballot" among all the other pages on the World Wide Web about how important a page is. A hyperlink to a page counts as a vote of support. The Page Rank of a page is defined recursively and depends on the number and PageRank metric of all pages that link to it ("incoming links"). A page that is linked to by many pages with high PageRank receives a high rank itself. If there are no links to a web page there is no support for that page. Now that we know what it is and how it works we need to know how PR is scored. Google assigns a numeric weighting from 0-10 for each web page on the Internet; this Page Rank denotes your sites importance in the eyes of Google!

This is just stuff I have gone by for my clients to help promote their websites and get them #1 not just in google but yahoo, MSN, AOL, Ask Jeeves, Etc Etc.

Hope this helps people.

Cheers,
B-Rad
Message: Posted by: Rodney Palmer (Jan 15, 2009 07:52PM)
One Good Deed deserves another. Please click on my website as well.

http://www.rodneypalmermagic.com
http://www.porthuronmagic.com

Rod
Message: Posted by: montymagi (Jan 15, 2009 07:58PM)
I check back one a day a catch the new ones. Click Click.
Message: Posted by: ScottRSullivan (Jan 15, 2009 09:01PM)
B-Rad,

Thanks for your informed post and helping to educate with facts.

I, personally, still don't see how this page clicking helps, aside from the LINK ITSELF in the thread to the sites. Page views is something that Google just can't see. Its only visible from within your server.

Page FRESHNESS, however, is noticed by Google. So if you've UPDATED your pages often, you'll rank higher, which is why so many news sites and blogs rank so well.

But I'm just an old-timer (who remembers emailing in Pine) in this quickly evolving web-thing!

Scott
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (Jan 15, 2009 10:28PM)
My finger hurts!!

Fellow click ***s here you go!

http://www.hartkeene.com

I feel so dirty now...but even if this does nothing it was fun
Message: Posted by: Bradley Roberts (Jan 16, 2009 12:06AM)
Scott... you are correct. I was just trying to help out. In short of everything I said..Your clicks are not tracked by google just your links on other sites.

Now if you want to have google track your click and trends to your site try Google Analytics. Pop that code on your site and you can get a detail information what google sees after you place the code there.

Page Rank is by your links to you and links on your site to others.

Page Hits is by someone clicking on that link on a site, email, or favs.

I now sure if that clears it up.

This will help your ranking some by having your site listed. Having everyone click on it will not.

It is nice to see what the others websites look like. There are some really good ones and not so good ones.

Cheers,
B-Rad
Message: Posted by: ScottRSullivan (Jan 16, 2009 12:34AM)
B-Rad, sorry, I just wasn't clear in my post. I was agreeing with you a hundred percent. The second part of my post was just a general statement. Not directed at you!

Yes, have known about the page freshness thing for quite some time, which is why I'm such a huge Wordpress fan. Most of my sites are self-hosted wordpress sites for this purpose and the other remaining ones are being converted over.
Message: Posted by: KeirRoyale (Jan 16, 2009 01:05AM)
From what I understand, Google likes Links to your website and likes "one way links" even better (in other words your address is listed on someone else's site but their site is not listed on your site'.)

So with that in mind, this is a great place to post the link for my website: http://www.LifeIsMagical.com
Message: Posted by: Agent86 (Jan 16, 2009 01:39AM)
Great idea guys! I've already clicked everyone's!

http://www.chrisboltermagic.com
http://www.agent86magic.com
http://www.newyorkcitymagicians.com
Message: Posted by: alcorm1 (Jan 18, 2009 08:02AM)
Great idea.

http://www.alcormiermagic.com
Message: Posted by: Ken Northridge (Jan 18, 2009 08:14AM)
If nothing else, this is a great debate about SEO. Please keep it going.

And what have we got to loose?

http://www.kennorthridge.com
Message: Posted by: Royston South (Jan 18, 2009 12:04PM)
OK I'm in-

http://www.used-magic.com you never know there may be something you like!!
http://www.roystonsouth.com
http://www.blackcatfuncasino.com

Thanks,
Royston.

Posted: Jan 18, 2009 1:05pm
Sorry should be http://www.roystonsouth.co.uk
Message: Posted by: Dan Paulus (Jan 18, 2009 03:34PM)
I'm up for the experiment.
I'm already number two (today) when a search for Utah Magicians is made. And I'm seldom out of the top 5. So let's see if I can grab that number one spot that changes every month or so!
http://www.danscomedymagic.com
Message: Posted by: MikeClay (Jan 18, 2009 05:08PM)
OK... was at the "Master Class for Balloon Artists" and just now getting back to the Café`

ummm this won't work...

it MIGHT.. add another back link (link from somewhere else to you) which can help, but the clicks "WILL NOT" increase page rank...

Not only will it not increase it ummm page rank only gets a public update when google feels like it (usually once a quarter)

to increase page rank...
1. get more inbound links from relevant sites..
2. Social bookmark yourself..
Message: Posted by: Jerskin (Jan 18, 2009 05:26PM)
At least I've seen a few new websites!
Here are mine...

http://www.gregottocomedian.com

http://www.gregotto.vpweb.com
Message: Posted by: Bradley Roberts (Jan 19, 2009 02:38PM)
That is what I have been trying to say Mike... I guess I was not clear :)

O well. A link is a link and it will not hurt you.

I do like looking at the sites that people are posting. Some need some help not just in their page ranking.

Scott your post was clear and understand you were agreeing me. Thanks. I just didn't note that. I just keep seeing that people think by clicking on all the sites will increase their page ranking and it will not.

Cheers,
B-Rad
Message: Posted by: MrHyde (Jan 19, 2009 03:21PM)
A better approach to co-operative clicking is to target google search itself.

You search on the particular search term where the person would like to rank higher.
You scroll to that persons listing (it might be on the 2nd or 3rd page). And you click and visit their site.

Google search wants it's search engine to work and people to find what they are looking for. If will move listings higher if people are clicking that listing.

I set this up with a small group of MagicCoach subscribers some time ago with quite good results.

It does work, but it does take time.

timothy

Posted: Jan 19, 2009 4:46pm
Another approach that has already been mentioned is to build both your Incoming AND Outgoing links.

Once again this is something you can do cooperatively. The idea is to link to people with High page Ranks and encourage them to link to you.

I believe Google rewards sites that have a balance of Incoming and Outgoing links. And the higher those pages are ranked the better.

You can put together a Recommended colleagues list, my suppliers list or something similar.

Once again, I have done this in the past with a small group both with my MagicCoach group and my speakers group. We all had page rankings of 3, 4 or 5.

Feel free to link to http://www.magiccoach.com/ it's currently PR4

[quote]
On 2009-01-19 15:38, Bradley Roberts wrote:

O well. A link is a link and it will not hurt you.

[/quote]
Actually Brad, I don't think this is strictly true.

I believe Google dislikes "link farms" deliberate sites set up to provide outgoing links and NO content. And if your site only has incoming links from such sites "it knows".
Message: Posted by: TomBoleware (Jan 19, 2009 05:08PM)
I think you right MrHyde. It's my understanding that not only do they know what page you came from, they can track all your clicks.

Tom

PS. If so, we all may be going to jail.
Hang around Curtis; we may need you to pick some locks. LOL
Message: Posted by: montymagi (Jan 19, 2009 07:44PM)
Mr. hyde good point. If you google "magician slidell" you will find me and I will search and click all who post. I have some time.
Message: Posted by: Bradley Roberts (Jan 20, 2009 10:06AM)
As simple as I can put it...

Google does not track your click from here to another site.
If you had the Google Analytics on your site they would.

Mr Hyde is correct on Google does track your click IF you do a search with Google and click on the links there.

Also the comment about a link is a link was a loose statement for this thread. A link posted here to your site that is a valid site is not a bad thing. No one was talking about farm banks. That is another topic all together.

I was just posting to help and educate....not to debate.

Google has everything about Analyics, Adwords, Adsence, Ranking, Page Hits, and much more. You can read it all there and decide what is best for you. You can even call them and they will answer a majority of your questions.

Another then that .... Post your links away. If you want to see what other sites look like click away. Clicking on them WILL NOT increase your page ranking with Google or Any other search engine.

Cheers,
B-Rad
Message: Posted by: magicofCurtis (Jan 20, 2009 10:48AM)
[quote]
On 2009-01-20 11:06, Bradley Roberts wrote:
As simple as I can put it...

Google does not track your click from here to another site.
If you had the Google Analytics on your site they would.

Mr Hyde is correct on Google does track your click IF you do a search with Google and click on the links there.

Also the comment about a link is a link was a loose statement for this thread. A link posted here to your site that is a valid site is not a bad thing. No one was talking about farm banks. That is another topic all together.

I was just posting to help and educate....not to debate.

Google has everything about Analyics, Adwords, Adsence, Ranking, Page Hits, and much more. You can read it all there and decide what is best for you. You can even call them and they will answer a majority of your questions.

Another then that .... Post your links away. If you want to see what other sites look like click away. Clicking on them WILL NOT increase your page ranking with Google or Any other search engine.

Cheers,
B-Rad
[/quote]

Did we not say this so many post back? ehhehe
Message: Posted by: Bradley Roberts (Jan 20, 2009 01:59PM)
I am done.
Message: Posted by: magicofCurtis (Jan 20, 2009 02:07PM)
Bradley, I think I will join you!
Message: Posted by: bubbleburst2004 (Jan 20, 2009 04:35PM)
[quote]
On 2009-01-20 14:59, Bradley Roberts wrote:
I am done.
[/quote]

Brad, you've just confused us all, that's the problem. LOL. At the start of the thread you were quite happy to sit there clicking everyone's links (you did, didn't you?) and then later you say that it will not help.

I think Mr Hyde summed it up quite nicely. Strategy 1 target search results, click on them. Strategy 2 focus on building links both in and out. Focus on links to people who have high Page Ranks (Higher than say PR2. LOL ) Both strategies can be done cooperatively with small groups helping each other and the Café is a good place to form such groups.
Message: Posted by: RobertTemple (Mar 25, 2009 07:57PM)
http://www.ComedyHypnosis.co.uk

Lets go for it :-D
Message: Posted by: accolombel (Mar 25, 2009 11:08PM)
Hi, not being a professional I don't have a website. I click on everyones site and had a great time looking at them. This was fun, interesting and informative. I think it was great just to see everyones websites.

Craig
Message: Posted by: montymagi (Mar 26, 2009 08:13AM)
Thanks Craig. We started this some time back and I have checked my website ranking and have not moved a bit. However, like you, I had a good time looking at everyones site. It was a fun to see how it would work or if it would work.
Message: Posted by: m.ruetz (Mar 27, 2009 11:10PM)
While everyone is clicking, try this one:

http://magicgizmo.com/
Message: Posted by: Aaron Lucas (Mar 30, 2009 04:24AM)
Guys I have clicked all these sites. My fingers hurt but I know I have helped some brothers out.
Message: Posted by: matt.magicman (Apr 6, 2009 02:38PM)
Done my clicking....keep it coming!
http://www.mattwainwright.com
Message: Posted by: ScottRSullivan (Apr 7, 2009 01:37PM)
[quote]
On 2009-03-26 09:13, montymagi wrote:
Thanks Craig. We started this some time back and I have checked my website ranking and have not moved a bit. However, like you, I had a good time looking at everyones site. It was a fun to see how it would work or if it would work.
[/quote]

Probably because of what several of us have mentioned several times throughout this thread:

** Clicks and pageviews don't affect page rank. **

Hope everyone has at least been enjoying all the clicks, though!
Message: Posted by: magicofCurtis (May 31, 2011 08:05PM)
Scott,

Click on searches do improve rankings in google, but a direct url click through I doubt it does...

Well enjoy some of my new sites:

http://www.Corporateentertainers.info
http://www.Magicofcurtis.com
http://www.OrangeCountyMagician.info
http://www.CurtisLovell.com
http://www.Attractthemedia.com
http://www.Magicappearances.com
Message: Posted by: chefmagic (May 31, 2011 10:15PM)
http://www.michaelbocharmagic.com

http://www.magiclegacy.net
Message: Posted by: Mando (Jun 2, 2011 04:32PM)
I have clicked on all the links mentioned heres mine
Grear idea!

http://www.armandothemagician.com
Message: Posted by: Nash (Jun 3, 2011 04:05PM)
Ok I'm on-board.

http://www.nashfung.com

BTW I dig your site Armando
Message: Posted by: Starrpower (Jun 3, 2011 04:21PM)
http://www.magicmedicineshow.com
http://www.zanyinventor.com
http://www.magicmark.com
Message: Posted by: Starrpower (Jun 3, 2011 10:32PM)
Huh ... I see my link is dead. Forget the middle one for now! LOL
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Jun 4, 2011 03:48PM)
Wow! just worked my way through 3 pages of links to get here. Saw some very nice websites on the way. Mine are in my [b]signature[/b] - hope you like them. If you have time please please please 'LIKE' my Facebook page.

Thnaks all.

Derek
Message: Posted by: dearwiseone (Jun 5, 2011 01:08AM)
[quote]
On 2009-04-07 14:37, ScottRSullivan wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-03-26 09:13, montymagi wrote:
Thanks Craig. We started this some time back and I have checked my website ranking and have not moved a bit. However, like you, I had a good time looking at everyones site. It was a fun to see how it would work or if it would work.
[/quote]

Probably because of what several of us have mentioned several times throughout this thread:

** Clicks and pageviews don't affect page rank. **

Hope everyone has at least been enjoying all the clicks, though!
[/quote]

Not quite true, but probably relevant for this group. Simple websites that get a few more clicks via the magic Café will most likely not see an increase in their page rank. However, that doesn't mean it's not possible, and/or doesn't happen. People think Google has just a few simple algorithms that determine a page rank. So not true! According to one google employee, there are thousands of algorithms that determine page rank for types, levels, and other classifications of domains. Clicks and page views DO affect page ranking, but only for certain types of pages that Google monitors. Trust me, if a site gets 15 million pageviews and clicks through something googles monitoring, and they "deem it worthy or of interest," page rank can change in a matter of hours.

Matt Cutts has said some very interesting things about how google monitors internet search activity for viral behaviors, and how they can track them almost in real time. Some of the viral rises have lead to page rank increases overnight for some popular websites that seem to dominate the news and related search terms.

Isn't it amazing (and maybe a little scary!) the power Google has when it comes to the internet?
Message: Posted by: G. Batson (Jun 5, 2011 11:33AM)
Page rank means nothing if you're not getting a sale. Thousands of clicks per month doesn't guarantee bookings. Your time is better spent working on content and copywriting skills to convert views to sales.

G.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Jun 6, 2011 11:08AM)
http://www.detroitmichigan.com
http://www.detroitmichiganmagician.com
http://www.detroitclown.com
http://www.aceproductionsusa.com
Message: Posted by: Mando (Jun 6, 2011 01:31PM)
Thanks nash!
Appreciate the kind words



Armando
Message: Posted by: Benji Bruce (Jun 6, 2011 05:20PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-05 12:33, G. Batson wrote:
Page rank means nothing if you're not getting a sale. Thousands of clicks per month doesn't guarantee bookings. Your time is better spent working on content and copywriting skills to convert views to sales.

G.
[/quote]

Amen to that
Message: Posted by: aussiemagik (Jun 6, 2011 06:38PM)
I don't have a page to share, but I thought this was such a great idea that I just spent a lot of time clicking everyone's page. I think I have too much free time...
Message: Posted by: misterillusion (Jun 7, 2011 08:07AM)
http://www.misterillusion.com
Message: Posted by: SpellbinderEntertainment (Jun 7, 2011 02:17PM)
What the heck,
worth a click!
Thanks guys, Walt
http://www.SpellbnderEntertainment.com
Message: Posted by: TheDean (Jun 7, 2011 05:20PM)
http://www.SpellbindErentertainment.com/ - This one works
Message: Posted by: SpellbinderEntertainment (Jun 8, 2011 12:46PM)
I left out the “i” (how could I do that?)

I’m at:

http://www.SpellbinderEntertainment.com

(Tthis is my very temporary ugly site,
until my photographer and web guy come throughfor me.)
---------

Oh, lord, Dean!
The link you listed is misspelled too.
The “e” and the “r” are reversed…
But it still links through… HOW?

I did a pretty thorough Google search,
and cannot find that mis-spelling on any of my stuff,
do you know where you found the mis-spell?

Thanks, Walt
Message: Posted by: TheDean (Jun 8, 2011 01:18PM)
Oops... WILD!

Not that I misspelled something (hehehe) but that it went through anyway. COOL! -- I just "cut n' pasted" the URL so I didn’t have to SPELL anything. Hehehehe!

Dean
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Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Jun 8, 2011 01:35PM)
Dean spelled it correctly. That's why it worked. He just capitalized the wrong letter (the wrong "E"). Capitalizing a letter (or letters) in an URL shouldn't make a difference in locating the site. It doesn't matter if you capitalize the first letter in your name or the words, or a middle letter, or no letters.

That's an example:

http://www.donalddunphy.com

and

http://www.DonaldDunphy.com

and

http://www.DoNaLdDuNpHy.com

take you to the same site.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: TheDean (Jun 8, 2011 02:26PM)
Oh... you're right. Mystery Solved!

And YES, in MOST cases anything BEFORE the '.com' is NOT "case sensitive". MOST things past that ARE. (Depending on how they are set up of course.)

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: MuleePete (Jun 8, 2011 04:25PM)
Great idea.......I'd like to get on this as well.

Here is mine
http://www.MuleePeteEntertaiment.com

and back I go to click on all the past posted sites.

Pete
Message: Posted by: Close.Up.Dave (Jun 8, 2011 11:50PM)
Seems like fun. Just upgraded from using iweb to dreamweaver. Here is the new an improved (I hope) html based site of mine http://www.companyeventmagic.com
Message: Posted by: Howie Diddot (Jun 11, 2011 07:22AM)
I just clicked on three pages of links, hopefully this works.

http://notmovingmylips.com/index.php

http://cheapestmagician.com/
Message: Posted by: MrHyde (Jun 11, 2011 07:51AM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-08 14:35, Donald Dunphy wrote:
Dean spelled it correctly. That's why it worked. He just capitalized the wrong letter (the wrong "E"). Capitalizing a letter (or letters) in an URL shouldn't make a difference in locating the site. It doesn't matter if you capitalize the first letter in your name or the words, or a middle letter, or no letters.

That's an example:

http://www.donalddunphy.com

and

http://www.DonaldDunphy.com

and

http://www.DoNaLdDuNpHy.com

take you to the same site.

- Donald
[/quote]


There's quite a lot of evidence that Capitalising the appropriate letters
in a URL will increase the number of click throughs.
Perry Marshall documents this in his Adwords course.

EG if I run two Google Adwords ads that are identical except for the URL
more people will click the one that says

http://www.MagicCoach.com

than the one that says

http://www.magiccoach.com


Timothy
Message: Posted by: Brian Proctor (Jun 11, 2011 11:28AM)
Great idea! Please click on mine!

http://www.BrianProctorMagic.com
Message: Posted by: TomBoleware (Jun 11, 2011 12:09PM)
I'm not sure just a link alone will be picked up that often, but adding a few comments should help.

I'll add my link here:
http://kidshowmagic.blogspot.com

And you can add yours here:
http://kidshowmagic.blogspot.com/2011/06/free-magic-advertising-here.html

Comments on blogs Are picked up regularly by searches.

Thanks,
Tom Boleware
Message: Posted by: MikeClay (Jun 15, 2011 10:12AM)
This doesn't WORK...
If this worked there would be all kinds of click Spam..

think about it.. IF it worked all it would take would be a block of C-CLass IP's and a script to click links.. and BINGO insta rankings for under $200
And with Google getting aggressive (to the point of banning people not breaking rules) this would defiantly fall under ATTEMPTING to manipulate search results and IF it worked all would be in danger of delisting..

Also I Like Perry Marshals PPC training, his SEO training.. well he doesn't do his own SEO, and farms it out to "NEMO" one of the most aggressive Black Hat SEO gurus out there..
Message: Posted by: NexusMagicShop (Jun 15, 2011 08:59PM)
Hey I'm in, this is clever I'm clicking on all the links now. You have to technically be on the site longer then ten seconds: http://www.NexusMagicStore.com
Message: Posted by: Howie Diddot (Jun 17, 2011 09:04AM)
I don’t know about this idea, I just Goggled myself and I have not increased my standing
Message: Posted by: MikeClay (Jun 17, 2011 02:15PM)
Howie...
This will NEVER increase your ranking or page rank,,,

Page rank is a weight structure (Leslie Rhodie wrote the book on the topic and has the math background to actualy understand it)
that weight is based off of the value attributed to individual webpages

every page on the internet has a standard weight value based off of a list of things (dictated by google)
We (SEO industry) know about 500 of them and can track around 120 of them, and can manipulate about 60 of them (Meta tags, title tags, keyword density, inbound links, anchor text)

PR is then calculated for the PAGE then divided by the # of OUTBOUND LINKS from that page.. then a LARGE portion of that pages PR is GIVEN to the pages it links to...

SO the ONLY boost you get from this thread is an INDEXED link to you from themagiccafe.. but the value of these pages is LOW in googles eyes..

Clicking on a LINK is not part of the equation... if it is, it's not one that has been seen to increase rankings (I have 200 websites in my test bed, 1 of the 8 other people in my mastermind has 700 sites) this doesn't work..

If you want REAL local leads spend time learning Google Places and how to optimize that..
Message: Posted by: Howie Diddot (Jun 17, 2011 03:33PM)
Waht is a Google place?
Message: Posted by: MikeClay (Jun 17, 2011 04:57PM)
http://www.google.com/places/
Message: Posted by: Howie Diddot (Jun 18, 2011 12:10AM)
Thanks Mike, I just signed up
Message: Posted by: Howie Diddot (Jun 19, 2011 10:21PM)
I am still an unknown
Message: Posted by: ferrismagic (Jun 20, 2011 06:14AM)
Cool idea http://www.ferrisyao.com
Message: Posted by: MikeClay (Jun 20, 2011 08:49AM)
Ferris,,
no.. read back about 5 posts
this does not work
and if it did would endanger your website of being blacklisted (manually removed from google by google for SPAM)
Message: Posted by: Howie Diddot (Jun 21, 2011 01:09PM)
Google is sending me a post card with a pin number on it to insert in my online application
Message: Posted by: MikeClay (Jun 22, 2011 08:53AM)
Yeah that's one way they verify that it is a real listing... there is a ton of spam in the listing where people make up addresses to try to get multiple listings.. (I've seen a bunch of that in the locksmith category)
Message: Posted by: Kevinr (Jun 22, 2011 01:45PM)
Mike you are correct. Locksmiths and plumbers where building over 100 websites each (if you can believe one plumber in your state doing that it true!) they would then have fake address for each city in there area. We had a guy here in Colorado with over 100 websites for his one plumbing company. Each site was linked to a seperate Google Places page which he used a fake address for. he got caught then switched to po boxes but now Google has blocked that too!

Now the big thing is creating "link juice" using what known as a "link wheel"

Google use to allow you to call in and verify for Google Places with a phone number but now they only allow pins sent to a real address.

Mike they won't even allow you to send them to PO Boxes anylonger. I don't like the idea of having my home address being used but it appears that or a commercial building is the only option now.
Message: Posted by: Kevinr (Jun 22, 2011 02:18PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-15 11:12, MikeClay wrote:
He doesn't do his own SEO, and farms it out to "NEMO" one of the most aggressive Black Hat SEO gurus out there..
[/quote]

DO you have a link to these guys I might pay them to help me.
Message: Posted by: MikeClay (Jun 23, 2011 11:03AM)
I know a few of them.. and have helped in a few of their launches (which is how I know about Perry) and have helped with testing new software with them..

as far as hiring them.. they start at 10k a month for a min of 12 months..

shoot me an email Michael.clay@gmail.com and we will talk about what you need..

link juice is easy (=

I'm a part time pro. entertainer but run a consulting and marketing firm full time
Message: Posted by: Amazing Magic Co (Jun 23, 2011 02:47PM)
I'm clicking away. Here's mine: http://www.AmazingMagicCo.net

Thanks!!
Dan.
Message: Posted by: MikeClay (Jun 23, 2011 03:08PM)
LOL...

I give up lol
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Jun 23, 2011 03:15PM)
I believe you, Mike. And I believe all of the others who also said likewise. (I can't believe the number of people who either don't believe it, or didn't read the mythbusting posts.)

You'll notice that I posted my links to make a point. Not so I could "increase page rank" by getting lots of visits from other magicians, because it doesn't work that way.

Now, it's certainly fine to share a link to your site if you want to. Let other magician friends get to know you better through your website. However, I don't buy into the notion that it's some miracle idea.

Also, it makes little sense to me that some magicians would post a single link to their site hoping for some page rank miracle, when they could put an [b]active[/b] link to their website in their Café signature, and end up with hundreds or thousands of inbound links (a link at the bottom of each of their posts... past and present). Look at all of the performers on this thread who don't have their website in their signature.

Another thing that I never saw discussed was how long you wanted the visit to your website for. I understand that counts for something, too, when the visit comes after a google search.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: tacrowl (Jun 23, 2011 05:14PM)
Donald,

I'm not certain, but I don't believe the signatures each count as a link. I believe that is seen as coding. Mike?

Tom
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Jun 23, 2011 05:16PM)
I don't just mean volume of links. Although, I understand it, many forums have links that are "nofollow", but I don't think that the Magic Café is one of them.

I also mean that they are more likely to be seen and clicked on, because you've participated in many threads.

I'm sure that Mike will set me straight, if I'm off base.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: MikeClay (Jun 23, 2011 06:05PM)
The 1st link to a domain on a page is the one that passes weight..
so if you have a page here on the Café.. having 3 links to your site in your footer with different anchor text doesn't mean anything..
the 1st one is the one that passes weight..

so if the first link on EVERY page of your website to your site says "HOME" the weight and relevance of your site is now.. "Home"
Message: Posted by: tacrowl (Jun 23, 2011 07:00PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-23 16:15, Donald Dunphy wrote:
they could put an [b]active[/b] link to their website in their Café signature, and end up with hundreds or thousands of inbound links (a link at the bottom of each of their posts... past and present). [/quote]

But does the first link in EVERY signature that appears on the Café have weight? Or is it a code that simply directs to your signature containing the link? In which case - a hundred posts would still only carry a single link of weight.

My understanding was they did not...

Tom
Message: Posted by: MikeClay (Jun 23, 2011 08:02PM)
Ok..

the 1st link to each domain passes weight...

how much weight is dictated by how many links

so lets run through the numbers

header of this page has 15 links (only the 1st link with text passes weight back to TMC so the one passing weight has the anchor text of "edit profile")

then the thread begins...
Howies 1st link to his site passes weight the rest do not.. same for everyone else..

the volume of weight is

Page Rank (actual not published) / # of total links on the page
Message: Posted by: MikeClay (Jun 23, 2011 10:12PM)
And just to clear it up it's per page... Search engines don't index entire sites they index pages based off of value and weight..
Message: Posted by: Howie Diddot (Jun 25, 2011 11:48AM)
Does anyone have an opinion on the worth of the Google paid click program?

I reread the post and, of course you will have an opinion, this is the Magic Café…

The question is, is it worth the money?
Message: Posted by: MikeClay (Jun 25, 2011 03:55PM)
If you are doing it RIGHT.. Jack Turk would be who knows how to get it setup as an entertainer (I do it slightly different than him but have a different goal)

I use it for testing an ofer.. (I drive traffic to a new page to see if it sells)
I use it to test keywords

it is not a primary traffic source for me.. If I'm not mistaken Jack also uses it for traffic which is why his opinion I personally would take into account..
Message: Posted by: NexusMagicShop (Jun 25, 2011 07:02PM)
PPC has become very expensive over the last couple of years, I used to pay around 4 to 6 cents per click 2 1/2 years ago. Those same keywords are now 0.45 to as much as 2.50 per click. The economy has shot the competitiveness through the roof, and more and more are using PPC. I don't expect it will come down either. You just have to get creative, and research lesser known, yet still searched keywords or keyword phrases. Then you can get pricing down a bit. You will not get the high impressions, but you will still get clicks. It's worth it if you are selling high priced items or services. The margin I'm left with for driving traffic to my store using PPC is not really worth it anymore. I have found other ways... :)
Message: Posted by: Howie Diddot (Jun 25, 2011 11:04PM)
[quote]
On 2009-01-14 00:04, ScottRSullivan wrote:
I thought this only worked if you click on a Wednesday, while eating a grilled cheese sandwich.

*grin*
[/quote]

It does work on Wednesday, but it can't be a grilled cheese sandwich, you need to be eating a ham and cheese sandwich; it contains more fat to digest