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Topic: IBM Ring Lectures
Message: Posted by: Kent Wong (Jan 15, 2009 01:01PM)
I was once told that one of the key benefits of having an IBM Ring is that you have special access to magician lecturers. But I haven't officially heard of any IBM lecture circuit or of any magicians who offer special rates or benefits to IBM Rings. Does any such benefit actually exist?

Message: Posted by: Skip Way (Jan 15, 2009 03:32PM)
Our Ring receives an average of 2-3 Lecture requests each month. We just hosted Dr. Charles Pecor and have Michael Ammar and John Calvert visiting in April. It depends, I suppose, on how active your Ring is and how proactive your vice president is in seeking out lecturers.

As for special rates: Most lecturers charge a modest fee to cover expenses then make the bulk of their money from BOR sales. In return, we usually receive a convention quality lecture with hands-on support. I think that's a heck of a great deal considering the talent that passes through our doors.
Message: Posted by: Kent Wong (Jan 16, 2009 12:02AM)
Hmm... Maybe it's harder to get magicians to lecture north of the border? The travel time is more extensive, the cities are further apart, the population is sparse, and they have to deal with customs. The only magicians I have been able to get to lecture at have been through the Xelent Lecture Series. I've never heard of a magician approaching our nearby IBM Ring for a lecture. Is there any way I can change that?

You see, I would like nothing more than to see my local club eventually become an active Ring. BUT, I need to be able to describe some tangible benefits of a Ring as opposed to being a mere club. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Message: Posted by: Skip Way (Jan 16, 2009 07:03AM)
I would think that getting Back-of-Room product and performance gear through customs would be the greatest issue. I have a friend in London, Ontario who attends our annual power group sessions, but she rarely carries any of her performance or marketing materials across the border because of the custom taxes and restrictions. Still, there are some pretty impressive Canadian performers and some U.S. performers who will travel if a worthwhile tour can be arranged. Perhaps contacting Int'l President Joan Caesar (Also a Canadian) or the convention talent coordinator Dale Salwak would yield some suggestions. Both can be contacted through the IBM portal contact page ( http://www.magician.org/portal/en/node/135 )
Message: Posted by: Payne (Jan 16, 2009 10:12AM)
On 2009-01-16 01:02, magicman845 wrote:

You see, I would like nothing more than to see my local club eventually become an active Ring. BUT, I need to be able to describe some tangible benefits of a Ring as opposed to being a mere club. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


What's wrong with being a "mere club"?

There was zero change in quality or quantity when my club crossed over a decade or so ago. We have the same number of lectures and events. Membership is more or less the same -- perhaps a little less these days. So in the eyes of amny in our club there was no percieved value in affilliating with a large national orgainisation.
Not that there's anything wrong with belonging to the IBM. there are benefits for individual members like the magazine and the insurance. But I've never found a benefit for a club as a whole to associate itself with the orgainisation.
Message: Posted by: Kent Wong (Jan 16, 2009 11:08PM)

That's exactly what I'm struggling with. What are the REAL BENEFITS (if any) in converting our club to a Ring? Indeed, many of the benefits you mentioned simply come from individual membership in the IBM. Those benefits don't require Ring affiliation. Am I missing something?

Message: Posted by: Payne (Jan 17, 2009 01:29AM)
I see belonging to a national organization as being beneficial if one was starting a new club. A TVP or other official might see that according to their roster lists that there are enough magicians in a certain area to start a club. These magi might not even know that there are any other magicians in the area. Thus when a TVP contacts them and arranges a meeting for them to meet with one another there is a good chance they might start up a club.

However if a club already exists in an area there really is no benefit to the club in general in being affiliated with the IBM or SAM since club members are already free to join those organizations on their own and ther is little reason for a club to force its membership to pay dues to a national orgainisation when they get no bang for those bucks.
Message: Posted by: drwilson (Jan 19, 2009 03:16PM)
I am mostly with Payne on this, but since our Ring in Maine was a new organization, we derived benefits from association with the I.B.M. Very few of the Ring members knew each other before we got started.

Since then, we have been very active at sending in articles and photos to The Linking Ring, and have received great coverage. This has attracted magicians from outside our Ring to some events. Most of our contests are open to I.B.M. members who are not Ring members, and we have drawn contestants from other states because our previous contests were covered in The Linking Ring.

This is important to us because we live in a sparsely-populated state. If we were in a big city somewhere, it would not matter so much.


Message: Posted by: iugefu (Feb 4, 2009 10:48PM)
Does 'performance material' attract customs when crossing from USA to Canada? Or only new stuff, for BOR, that is (new) merchandise? What rate?

I take it the same applies if you fly to Canada, say from Europe? What about entering USA from Europe with BOR stuff? What rate?