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Topic: Shure Lavalier or Headset?
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (Jan 23, 2009 01:17AM)
Hi Guys!

So I think I have narrowed down my search for a wireless mic to Shure. Now I can't decide between the lavalier or the headset. I have rented the lavalier for a few shows and it did a good job but I have never tried the headset. Can anyone comment on this?

I found the lavalier system on Amazon for $299 but the headset system was unavailable. I have only been able to find the headset alone, not packaged with a receiver like the lavalier.

Thank you for your help...
Message: Posted by: Chezaday (Jan 23, 2009 01:43AM)
Unless your at the fair selling the "Sham-Wow" towel set .. stay away from the head set, it looks stupid.

Just think Garth Brooks or Madonna ..

Steve
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (Jan 23, 2009 02:04AM)
Good point sir!

Anyone else have an opinion?

Also, with the switch to digital in February I am a little concerned about this product but the Shure website says...

Users who need to purchase wireless microphones or personal monitors can choose any current Shure wireless product (PG, PGX, SLX, ULX, UHF-R, PSM200, PSM400, PSM600, PSM700) and use it immediately with confidence that it will continue to serve them into the future.

The model number of the lavalier system is PG14/PG185 so I think its all good but I would like to be sure.
Message: Posted by: SoCalPro (Jan 23, 2009 02:48AM)
The reason I use a headset is that you don't lose sound quality. You can turn your head to every direction and the quality is the same. I first heard this from Joel Bauer and I totally agree.

Also, if you do a lot of outside performing, you'll have a hard time with the wind getting in the way of the sound quality as well. It's best to have the mic as close to your mouth as possible IMO.

If I were an illusionist like Steve, I might re consider but I do an awful lot of talking during my stage shows and sound quality is really important to me.
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (Jan 23, 2009 03:17AM)
Good point Jim, I guess I really need to think about that. I have been renting wireless mics for years but I figured its time to buy myself one and I want to make sure I don't regret what I purchase!
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (Jan 23, 2009 03:39AM)
Ok so I found two different Shure headsets here...
http://www.zzounds.com/prodsearch?form=search/ppc&cat=2772&cat2=3585

I am looking at the one for $299 but would I be happier with the one below it? The PGx UHF?

Thank you all for your help!
Message: Posted by: ClintonMagus (Jan 23, 2009 06:31AM)
I have seen several peformers and speeakers using these:

http://www.sweetwater.com/c993--Countryman--Headset_Wireless_Mics_and_Systems

From more than a few rows away, you can't even see them, and the sound is great!
Message: Posted by: SoCalPro (Jan 23, 2009 09:50AM)
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On 2009-01-23 07:31, ClintonMagus wrote:
I have seen several peformers and speeakers using these:

http://www.sweetwater.com/c993--Countryman--Headset_Wireless_Mics_and_Systems

From more than a few rows away, you can't even see them, and the sound is great!
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Countryman is the cream of the crop (IMO) and is also the mic that Joel says he uses and highly recommends.

Personally, I have a really great mic that I use for my MiniVox (not sure of the model off hand) that I use for most of my smaller gigs and I use a Gemini wireless headset for my larger shows.

Luckily for me, the amusement park that I do my stage show at every week has their own sound system with wireless headset so I hardly ever have to break out the Gemini. This makes it good. I get there.....do a 10 minute set up.....slip on their mic and GO. My tear down time is equally as fast. Their system sucks out loud but that's a whole nether topic altogether. :D
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Jan 23, 2009 10:26AM)
I use a 64 channel, UHF wireless headset by Gemini. It works great! Considering how much I move around during my performances, it's nice to have the mike positioned properly, without a sound man making an adjustment every time I turn my head. A lavaliere would create too much of a distraction with the dropouts. Besides, during some of my shows, feedback rejection is an issue, so the headset addresses that. For most of my performances, I do have to adjust the gain, because I'm often close to the speaker and the signal strength can be rather strong, creating some distortion.
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (Jan 23, 2009 11:54AM)
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On 2009-01-23 04:39, Hart Keene wrote:
Ok so I found two different Shure headsets here...
http://www.zzounds.com/prodsearch?form=search/ppc&cat=2772&cat2=3585

I am looking at the one for $299 but would I be happier with the one below it? The PGx UHF?

Thank you all for your help!
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I feel like an idiot quoting myself but can anyone comment on the difference between the two headset mics in the link above? One is $299 and the other is $429. They look identical but are obviously different..

Countryman looks good I couldn't find any full systems like the ones a above...

Starting not to care if I look like Madonna! LOL I'm a material boy...
Message: Posted by: SoCalPro (Jan 23, 2009 12:09PM)
Honestly, I don't know the difference between the two. I am sure someone on the Café could tell you. What I WILL tell you is that I would lean toward the more expensive model. You should never go cheap on your mic if at all possible. Get the best for your money and you'll always sound good on stage. :)
Message: Posted by: hpcman (Jan 23, 2009 01:33PM)
I have used a Shure head set mic for the past 10 years. Over that time it has been the best investment I could make. I have had to replace the mic several times but the Shure customer repair service has been great. I even bought from them a back up so if I had to send it to them I would not loose the ability to use my unit while it was being fixed. I do understand someone saying the head piece is distracting but it also lends a sense of professionalism, for some reason. If you could get the countryman mic for the Shure system you will have the best of both world’s great sound and invisible. .
Message: Posted by: Dan McLean Jr aka, Magic Roadie (Jan 23, 2009 06:07PM)
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On 2009-01-23 12:54, Hart Keene wrote:
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On 2009-01-23 04:39, Hart Keene wrote:
Ok so I found two different Shure headsets here...
http://www.zzounds.com/prodsearch?form=search/ppc&cat=2772&cat2=3585

I am looking at the one for $299 but would I be happier with the one below it? The PGx UHF?

Thank you all for your help!
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I feel like an idiot quoting myself but can anyone comment on the difference between the two headset mics in the link above? One is $299 and the other is $429. They look identical but are obviously different..

Countryman looks good I couldn't find any full systems like the ones a above...

Starting not to care if I look like Madonna! LOL I'm a material boy...
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Hello, Hart!
#1 & #3 (PG) have only one frequency, so if there is wireless interference (which may become more frequent in the near future), it's a bad bet. #1 has a receiver, beltpack, and headset. #3 is the same as #1, with the addition of a handheld mic. At any given time, you can have the beltpack tunred on, or the handheld turned on ... not both.

#2 (PGX) has many frequencies, so you can always find an interference-free one. It has a receiver, beltpack, and headset. Looks like the same headset as #1 & #3

#4 (ULXS) is a higher-quality, more-features model as compared to #3. It has a receiver, beltpack, and headset. The headset is a bit better than in #1, #2 & #3.

All of the headsets are good for feedback rejection.

If you consider a scale of 1-10 for feedback rejection (where 10 is perfect), a lav might be a 2, a tiny headset/earset (Countryman E6, DPA 4065/4066/4067) might be a 4, and a full-size headset (of which these are good, not excellent, quality) might be an 8 or 9.

Yes, there IS that much of a difference when compared to a lav or tiny headset/earset. No speaker, no mixer, no EQ, no soundman, no room (you get the point) can narrow that gap by more than 1 point. My comparitive numbers are arbitrary, but I'm quite sure they're close.
Good luck, and cheers from Toronto!
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (Jan 23, 2009 11:22PM)
You rock Dan!!!! Thank you so much for your help!

So if I go with the PGX I shouldn't have problems with the change to digital in February becuase it has the many frequencies?

Also, I have checked around and the $429 price tag on the pgx looks pretty good. Unless anyone else has any better ideas?

Thank you all for your help and input!
Message: Posted by: Dan McLean Jr aka, Magic Roadie (Jan 24, 2009 08:08AM)
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You rock Dan!!!! Thank you so much for your help!
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You're very welcome, Hart!

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So if I go with the PGX I shouldn't have problems with the change to digital in February becuase it has the many frequencies?
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You could still have probelms with a scanning system, but the problem is [b]much[/b] less severe with a scanning system, because, with the scanning system, you can [b]fix[/b] the problem. That's the only reason for [b]having [/b] a scanning system.

The difference between "scanning" systems (of which the Shure PGX is an entry-level one) and a "fixed-frequency" or "non-scanning" system (of which the Shure PG is an entry-level one) is as follows:
With a fixed frequency system, if you experience interference, you cannot change to another frequency, so your wireless mic system has been rendered useless as long as the interference exists. With a scanning system, you can tell your wireless system to find an interference-free frequency.

The scan doesn't happen automatically, though. There's a button-pressing process that's usually pretty easy. As lot of people now have scanning systems, but don't know how to perform the scan. This is because they've not yet experienced interference, so they've never done a scan. [b]If you don't know how to scan, you essentially have a fixed-frequency system![/b]

When I teach friends how to use their wireless, I [b]always[/b] tell them to do one scan before soundcheck, and another scan before the show. The benifits are two-fold. First, it's your best shot at avoiding interference. Second, you [b]always[/b] know how to do the scan, so if you experience interference, you [b]immediately[/b] know what to do, and it takes you [b]only moments[/b] to get your show back on track.

Again, [b]if you don't know how to scan, you essentially have a fixed-frequency system![/b] The [b]system is able to scan, but [b]you[/b] are not.
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (Jan 24, 2009 02:36PM)
Dan you are the man!!!!

Have you done this before? lol

I have been lucky in most of my performances where I rent or use a wireless hands-free mic to not have run into a lot of issues but as you say in the future it could be more of a problem.

You mention "entry level" a few times. But do you think the Shure PGX Headset will be a good system or will I be running out to replace it in a year?

Also, does it matter which channel you buy?

Thank you so much for your help Dan. I really appreciate it!
Message: Posted by: Regan (Jan 29, 2009 09:18PM)
I havs Shure PGX headset system. I prefer headset mics to lavaliers. I am also a singer, so sound quality is important to me.
Message: Posted by: Dan McLean Jr aka, Magic Roadie (Jan 29, 2009 10:38PM)
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On 2009-01-24 15:36, Hart Keene wrote:
You mention "entry level" a few times. But do you think the Shure PGX Headset will be a good system or will I be running out to replace it in a year?
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Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you, Hart.
Even a very expensive system can experience interference, so, in my opinion, given the amount of TV activity that is present in most areas, a top-quality, non-scanning system is a worse bet than an entry-level, scanning system. Spend as much as you can, but [b]DO NOT[/b] buy a non-scanning system. It is impossible to say what is "good enough", or what will avoid problems. The Shure PGX is the lowest quality that I would recommend. For almost every magician, I only recommend Shure or Sennheiser.
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Also, does it matter which channel you buy?
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[i](Buckle up here, friends, 'cause this next bit is gonna get rough.)[/i]
A scanning system is defined by its "frequency range" since it is capable of using many frequencies, although only one frequency at a time. The range you should buy will depend upon your area, and the I don't think the current legislative proceedings at the FCC and Industry Canada have made regional frequency allocations clear-enough, yet.

In my own business, we've bought top-of-the-line, very-wide-range, very-narrow-bandwidth wireless, that avoids known trouble spots. This way, whatever happens with frequency allocation, we will stand the best possible chance of maneuvering around the problems. We also utilize state-of-the-art antennae and antenna distribution systems, and have highly-trained wireless technicians. Still, we can have issues, because wireless systems can suffer interference from almost innumberable culprits.

Again, spend as much as you can, but [b]DO NOT[/b] buy a non-scanning system.

[i](Scared yet?)[/i]
Message: Posted by: magicnator (Jan 30, 2009 02:46PM)
As far as headsets and lavs are concerned, I have to say get a headset...Lavs cause to much problems. They pick everything up and are hungry for feedback. I have the Countryman E6...get it. you will love it..you can buy the headset and the cable with the type of connector for the type of transmitter you have. I have a shure so it plugs right in. But yes, get a good receiver with variable channels and a good bodypack transmitter...it will PAY off...I spent 900 bucks on the receiver and transmitter and another 300 on the E6.
Message: Posted by: GERRIT (Feb 1, 2009 11:47AM)
I can recommend a shure headset. I think it´s the best for Shows indoor and outdoor. With a lavalier mic you have problems with the wind outdoor.
Message: Posted by: videokideo (Feb 1, 2009 12:27PM)
I have the 3 channel set which comes with the headset, handheld and lav. Handheld is used for the audience members every show. I change from headset to lav depending on the setting the show is in. I prefer the lav as it doesn't block your face, but the headset is nice.

I also have a nady wireless headset unit id sell to someone trying to cut some costs. Its duel channel and top of the line.
Message: Posted by: threecardmonte (Feb 3, 2009 09:38AM)
Just wanted to cast a vote for the headset. Been using one for years and love it.
Message: Posted by: Vaughn Ver Steegt (Feb 3, 2009 01:10PM)
I also have a Shure PGX headset system. I haven't had any problems. I got it from Northern Light and Sound. They beat any price I found on e-bay. You need to contact them and let them know what you are looking for. Then they will send you an e-mail you back quoting their lower price than what is listed on their web site. At least that's what happened for me.

Videokideo what is the brand name for the system you have with the multiple microphones?
Message: Posted by: videokideo (Feb 5, 2009 12:54AM)
Its a Shure system. One receiver and 3 transmitters (hand, headset, lapel).
Message: Posted by: Regan (Feb 5, 2009 03:19PM)
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On 2009-02-03 14:10, Vaughn Ver Steegt wrote:
I also have a Shure PGX headset system. I haven't had any problems. I got it from Northern Light and Sound. They beat any price I found on e-bay. You need to contact them and let them know what you are looking for. Then they will send you an e-mail you back quoting their lower price than what is listed on their web site. At least that's what happened for me.

Videokideo what is the brand name for the system you have with the multiple microphones?
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Vaughn, I have a Shure PGX system also. I believe you can purchase they other wireless mics (handheld, lavilier) seperately. I think any of these will work with Shure PGX receiver. You can also purchase a wireless instrument body pack that will go with the PGX receiver.

Regan
Message: Posted by: Vaughn Ver Steegt (Feb 6, 2009 11:32PM)
Thanks for the information Regan and videokideo. I'll check into purchasing another type of mic to switch out with the headset.

I was also wondering if anyone uses a wireless system from a company named Hisonic? If so how is thier quality and sound?
Message: Posted by: magic_rice55 (Feb 12, 2009 12:38AM)
I would recomend the lavalier microphone because if you are doing a lot of movement with an illusion or something, the headset could be more easily knocked off.