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Topic: Lost (again)
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Jan 29, 2009 01:31PM)
Last nights episode: discuss









what does a magician do when he gets mad?
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Jan 29, 2009 01:35PM)
Does anyone remember the episode when richard goes to see john as a baby? He asks john to pick one or two objects? (one of the ways they select the Dalai Lama) Does john pick the compass that richard gave him recently?


And the latin thing was VERY VERY cool. Not expecting that at all.

Whats with this bomb?
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Feb 5, 2009 11:14AM)
Who saw it last night? does this mean that ben was telling the truth about his daughter, as russo was pregnant when she arrived at the island?
Message: Posted by: balducci (Feb 5, 2009 11:34AM)
I started watching it last night, but I was so tired I dropped off. I'll watch what I missed later this evening.

What was that comment in your first post about, "what does a magician do when he gets mad?" Does that refer to something in Lost? I don't get the reference.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Feb 5, 2009 11:48AM)
It was a stupid no. no relation
Message: Posted by: balducci (Feb 5, 2009 12:21PM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-05 12:48, kcg5 wrote:
It was a stupid no. no relation
[/quote]
It had me confused, as there is supposed to be a magician appearing in an upcoming episode of Lost (maybe even last night's, in the part I dozed through).

I thought you were somehow making a reference to him.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Feb 5, 2009 12:38PM)
Where did you hear about a magician???
Message: Posted by: balducci (Feb 5, 2009 12:42PM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-05 13:38, kcg5 wrote:
Where did you hear about a magician???
[/quote]
It's been mentioned in a number of places. Here's one source I just found:

[url]http://linkingpage.com/2009/02/04/magician-reveals-the-way-back-to-the-island/[/url]

From an ABC Media emailed press release we learn that Hawaiian Magician Glen Bailey will play the part of “Magician” on the February 18th Episode of LOST “316″. According to the press release, “316″ - The way back to the island is revealed to members of the Oceanic 6, but there’s trouble ahead when not all of them wish to return, on “Lost,” WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 18 (9:00-10:02 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.” Glen is also a leading restaurant magician, and has been working at Peal City Tony Roma’s for the past eight years (Tuesday nights). He also works with corporate events and
weddings.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Feb 5, 2009 12:49PM)
Thanks
Message: Posted by: Rupert Bair (Feb 5, 2009 02:59PM)
Great episode, lots of food for thought, will express opinions after socialising...
Message: Posted by: EsnRedshirt (Feb 5, 2009 03:02PM)
I'm just waiting for The Skipper and Gilligan to appear on the show.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Feb 6, 2009 12:55AM)
Warning - Spoiler in my post, relating to what's been shown so far, and a guess about a future revelation.

These have been great episodes.

I loved seeing Dr. Pierre Chang (Marvin Candle and other aliases as the host of the Dharma videos), Ana Lucia, and Ethan Rom in the season premiere.

By the way, the character of Dan (Lawyer) is supposed to be a more prominent character this season, according to an article I read. Notice that Dan and Ben, as well as Jacob, are names from a family in the book Genesis (Bible).

I think that Ellie (one of the others, girl from the 50s, with the rifle, who took Faraday to the bomb), will turn out to be Faraday's mom. That's purely a guess.

I think Ellie is also the same woman who told Ben about how long he had to get back to the island (the lady who warned Desmond in the jewelry store in another season). I believe the character's name is "Ms. Hawking", but it's been hinted in various places online (like the LOST Wikipedia site) that her first name is Eloise.

After I figured that out, I read this theory online: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ellie/Theories

I'm glad to see Jin.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Feb 6, 2009 03:45AM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-05 16:02, EsnRedshirt wrote:
I'm just waiting for The Skipper and Gilligan to appear on the show.
[/quote]

you mean like [url=http://lstudio.lexus.com/#vid886]this?[/url]
Message: Posted by: Ken Northridge (Feb 6, 2009 05:49AM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-06 01:55, Donald Dunphy wrote:
Notice that Dan and Ben, as well as Jacob, are names from a family in the book Genesis (Bible).
[/quote]

Donald,

Do you know more about this or is this or is this just speculation? I've often wondered if this was all going to go back to the beginning. The afterlife is also a theme they dance around.

The writers said they would start answering more questions this season. So far, they've been creating more questions.
Message: Posted by: Lyndel (Feb 6, 2009 08:58AM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-06 04:45, gaddy wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-02-05 16:02, EsnRedshirt wrote:
I'm just waiting for The Skipper and Gilligan to appear on the show.
[/quote]

you mean like [url=http://lstudio.lexus.com/#vid886]this?[/url]
[/quote]


Or like this?


[img]http://www.lyndel.net/temporary_stuff/gilliganlost.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: Rupert Bair (Feb 6, 2009 09:21AM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-06 06:49, Ken Northridge wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-02-06 01:55, Donald Dunphy wrote:
Notice that Dan and Ben, as well as Jacob, are names from a family in the book Genesis (Bible).
[/quote]

Donald,

Do you know more about this or is this or is this just speculation? I've often wondered if this was all going to go back to the beginning. The afterlife is also a theme they dance around.

The writers said they would start answering more questions this season. So far, they've been creating more questions.
[/quote]

Seems more like the island shifting through space and time causes apparitions of the dead, or Jacob can summon them...

The ratio of answers to more questions is like 1:200!!

The way the writes contradict themselves frequently makes it even harder to second guess.

Locke asking Richard to visit him was cool, but why would John be leader if he failed the test and turned Richard down twice later (in his teens ect) to work with him.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Feb 6, 2009 10:23AM)
Love that photo, Lyndel! Where did you get it from? Can I swipe it? (BTW, that's an older season cast photo. The new season cast photo has Daniel Faraday, Charlotte Lewis, and Miles Straume in it.)

Yes, Ken, the article I read in TV Week Magazine (I'm pretty sure that is where I read it... although I have read a couple of articles online) said that Dan and Ben would both be prominent characters (Dan being introduced), and that Jacob was the one they answered to. It commented about Jacob's family (in Genesis), and the names of his son's (two being Benjamin and Dan).

However, they didn't say that other characters would emerge with similar family names. (In Genesis 49, the 12 decendents of Jacob are: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Zebulun, Isaachar, Dan, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Joseph, and Benjamin.) I don't think they meant it was the "original" family, just that they were borrowing from it, just as the writers borrow from a variety of sources.

However, I did not read this theory on other sites, like the Lost Wikipedia site (I haven't had a close look at that site).

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Lyndel (Feb 6, 2009 11:15AM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-06 11:23, Donald Dunphy wrote:
Love that photo, Lyndel! Can I swipe it?
[/quote]

Sure, It's yours. Photoshop is a wonderful thing!


Lyndel
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Feb 6, 2009 12:15PM)
Do you think that russo's baby was really someone elses (other than bens), as was claimed before the daughter was killed?
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Feb 6, 2009 12:16PM)
Enjoyed your link, too, Gaddy.

- Donald

P.S. Sorry to cut you off, kcg5 (what's your name?). According to [url=http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Alex]this LOST wiki site page[/url], Alex is Ben's adopted daughter. Her real father is [url=http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Robert]Robert[/url], who we finally saw in the most recent episode. This is also what Danielle said earlier. Remember, in Season 4, that Danielle Rousseau slapped Ben and told Ben he was not her father, when Ben said he was Alex's father. There's also a page of theories about Alex on the LOST wiki site.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Feb 6, 2009 12:38PM)
Mr. Dunphy, I am Kevin. Sometimes its hard to remember all the stuff. I forgot about the slapping incident.

I also think the blond woman will turn out to be "Ms.Hawkins" Does anyone think anyone will die from the time travel (i.e bloody noses...)
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Feb 6, 2009 01:22PM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-06 13:38, kcg5 wrote:
Mr. Dunphy, I am Kevin. Sometimes its hard to remember all the stuff. I forgot about the slapping incident.

I also think the blond woman will turn out to be "Ms.Hawkins" Does anyone think anyone will die from the time travel (i.e bloody noses...)
[/quote]

Unless they're in the core group of main characters when a character professes their love for another character it's only a matter of time before the loved character dies, so I'd say that [url=http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Charlotte_Lewis]Charlotte's[/url] days are numbered...
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Feb 6, 2009 01:32PM)
[quote]
On 2009-01-29 14:35, kcg5 wrote:
Does anyone remember the episode when richard goes to see john as a baby? He asks john to pick one or two objects? (one of the ways they select the Dalai Lama) Does john pick the compass that richard gave him recently?


And the latin thing was VERY VERY cool. Not expecting that at all.

Whats with this bomb?
[/quote]

No he picks the knife. B'cuz he's hunter...

Latin. Well that would explain the [url=http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Four-toed_statue]Romanesque statue...[/url] The other's have been there for longer than we even realized.

The bomb is what is known as a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGuffin]"Mcguffin"[/url]. And it's such an annoyingly obvious one at that. Nowhere near as spooky or evocative as the [url=http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Hatch]hatch[/url] or the [url=http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Push_the_button]button[/url], [url=http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Kahana]the freighter[/url] or even [url=http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Others]the Others[/url] themselves...

Gee... there's a bomb. Either it's going to go off or it isn't. Sure the who's and why's might be interesting, but still... Either that bomb is going to explode and destroy the island, or it isn't.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Feb 6, 2009 01:36PM)
It's interesting that Charlotte was shown in the cast photo for this season, but Jin wasn't.

But they have been known to kill off characters (main cast) before.

I thought it was interesting the Charles Widmore used to be an other, on the island.

- Donald

P.S. Thanks for the info, Kevin & Gaddy.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Feb 6, 2009 01:43PM)
I think its clear that with richards age, the others have been there for a very, very long time.

and where is the bomb now?, will it even be an issue, they are in a different place now anyway.

And both miles, and whatshername have had the bloody noses.
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Feb 6, 2009 02:27PM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-06 14:43, kcg5 wrote:
I think its clear that with richards age, the others have been there for a very, very long time.

[b]and where is the bomb now?, will it even be an issue, they are in a different place now anyway.[/b]

And both miles, and whatshername have had the bloody noses.
[/quote]

the fact that Daniel referenced that it had not explodes 50 years from now (1956) leads me to believe that it will be used (or not... YAWN!) in the present (2009).
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Feb 6, 2009 04:14PM)
I think it's interesting that we found out who some of "the others" were in a previous generation or two (50s), and how their characters have developed into their present roles in current times.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Feb 6, 2009 08:38PM)
I'm interested in seeing how the magician will be portrayed in the Feb. 18 episode of LOST.

Best,

Doug L.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Feb 12, 2009 12:07PM)
Warning! Spoiler in my post (referring to last night's episode, "This place is death").

[quote]
On 2009-02-06 14:22, gaddy wrote:
Unless they're in the core group of main characters when a character professes their love for another character it's only a matter of time before the loved character dies, so I'd say that [url=http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Charlotte_Lewis]Charlotte's[/url] days are numbered...
[/quote]

I think you called it. :)

I enjoyed the episode last night. Some twists I wasn't expecting.

I still have to wonder who Charlotte's father is. They made a bit of a deal about the fact that it was only her and her mom that left the island.

And it was nice to see Rousseau through Jin's eyes.

Loved seeing the smoke monster again.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Feb 12, 2009 12:19PM)
When, and how can Rousseau re-appear? What did charlotte think daniel told her to never come back?
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Feb 12, 2009 12:43PM)
Another spoiler.

Wow! Here's an interesting theory.

I was watching an online video at [url=http://www.ew.com/ew/package/0,,1550612,00.html]"Totally Lost"[/url], and they theorized that Miles Straum is actually Dr. Pierre Chang's son (Dr. Chang is Marvin Candle and other aliases as the host of the Dharma videos).

We see Dr. Chang's baby in the beginning of the first episode this season ("Because you left").

Remember, Daniel (Faraday) said that Charlotte and Miles were suffering nose bleeds (and other negative effects of time travel) because of how long they had been exposed to the island. Yet, as far as we knew, they had come to the island the first time when they arrived on Widmore's ship last season. Daniel even asked them if they were sure they hadn't been there before.

We recently learned that Charlotte had been born on the island, and lived there for the first few years of her life, before leaving with her mom. And she would die if she returned.

And this theory about Miles would explain that he had been there before, too.

- Donald

P.S. We know at some point that Daniel Faraday does end up down in the Orchid station, at some point in the past (in Dr. Chang's time), because we saw that in the first episode of this season. Maybe he interacts with young Charlotte at that point in her life (at that point in the past)?
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Feb 12, 2009 02:28PM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-12 13:07, Donald Dunphy wrote:
Warning! Spoiler in my post (referring to last night's episode, "This place is death").

[quote]
On 2009-02-06 14:22, gaddy wrote:
Unless they're in the core group of main characters when a character professes their love for another character it's only a matter of time before the loved character dies, so I'd say that [url=http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Charlotte_Lewis]Charlotte's[/url] days are numbered...
[/quote]

I think you called it. :)
Loved seeing the smoke monster again.

- Donald
[/quote]

It's a good show, and quite mysterious, but in it's way it's quite formulaic and predictable...

RE: Smoke Monster. Most important part of last night's show.
Message: Posted by: Ken Northridge (Feb 12, 2009 04:44PM)
[quote]
RE: Smoke Monster. Most important part of last night's show.
[/quote]

How so?
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Feb 12, 2009 06:19PM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-12 17:44, Ken Northridge wrote:
[quote]
RE: Smoke Monster. Most important part of last night's show.
[/quote]

How so?"
[/quote]

The fact that the french crew discovered so quickly, to their peril, that the smoke monster was a "security system" for the "temple" that was covered in those weird hieroglyphics and that somehow they [i]had[/i], in fact, been "changed" or made sick by it. This jibes with what Juliet said about the smoke monster as well, which amounts to independent confirmation of a possible theory. (this also implies that Rousseau was not total delusional re: the murder of her crewmates -she had a legitimate reason to shoot them)

The ancient nature of the temple hieroglyphics connect it to the more modern Dharma Initiative use of these symbols in the Swan Station computer in a new and more deeply mysterious way.
Message: Posted by: Pauldela (Feb 12, 2009 06:42PM)
Good episode. So Daniels Farradays mum, the oracle??? I wonder if desmond will recognise her.
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Feb 12, 2009 07:52PM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-12 19:42, Pauldela wrote:
Good episode. So Daniels Farradays mum, the oracle??? I wonder if desmond will recognise her.
[/quote]

Saw that one coming a while ago, and you could tell by the look on his face that Desmond did recognize her.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Feb 12, 2009 09:04PM)
If Charlotte knew about the well, did that mean she was at the location of The Orchid before it was built? I think so.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Feb 12, 2009 09:59PM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-12 22:04, Donald Dunphy wrote:
If Charlotte knew about the well, did that mean she was at the location of The Orchid before it was built? I think so.

- Donald
[/quote]

Dammn good point. Of course it could have been "The Island" talking through her, much like the time Charley had the conversation with Eko when he was unconscious and had just been rescued from the bear's lair...
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Feb 12, 2009 10:08PM)
On [url=http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Orchid]this LOST wikipedia page[/url], it also implies that Charlotte was there before the Orchid was built. Here's the section on "Orchid Well", on that page:

[quote]During an unknown period of the Island's history, but prior to the construction of the Orchid, a stone well with a rope leading into it exists near to what will one day become the Orchid entrance. After Locke says goodbye to the time-jumping Survivors, Sawyer helps him down the well. Below the well is a cavern that leads to the giant wheel. This is a separate route to the wheel than the way Ben approached it. After another time flash (which seemed to emanate from the bottom of the well), this well vanished, sealing Locke inside the wheel chamber. From at least 1988 onward, the well did not exist. Charlotte, alluding to a time in her childhood when she was associated with the DHARMA Initiative, knew of the existence of the well.[/quote]

Also, there is reason to suspect that [url=http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Charlotte_Lewis]Charlotte[/url] met Daniel on the island when she was a young girl (but likely when he was his "adult" current age... so maybe he time shifted there).

Here's a quote from that page:

[quote]Unable to move herself, she urges Dan to leave her and accompany the rest of the group to the Orchid. After the others leave, Charlotte confesses to Dan that she grew up on the Island and had left it with her mother. Despite her mothers assertion that she had merely invented the Island, Charlotte believed otherwise and had been searching for it ever since. She also confides to Dan that as a child a "crazy" man had told her that she must leave the Island and never return or she would die. She admits that she now recognizes that man as Dan. After telling him this, she dies.[/quote]

- Donald
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Feb 12, 2009 10:51PM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-12 23:08, Donald Dunphy wrote:
On [url=http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Orchid]this LOST wikipedia page[/url], it also implies that Charlotte was there before the Orchid was built. Here's the section on "Orchid Well", on that page:

[quote]During an unknown period of the Island's history, but prior to the construction of the Orchid, a stone well with a rope leading into it exists near to what will one day become the Orchid entrance. After Locke says goodbye to the time-jumping Survivors, Sawyer helps him down the well. Below the well is a cavern that leads to the giant wheel. This is a separate route to the wheel than the way Ben approached it. After another time flash (which seemed to emanate from the bottom of the well), this well vanished, sealing Locke inside the wheel chamber. From at least 1988 onward, the well did not exist. Charlotte, alluding to a time in her childhood when she was associated with the DHARMA Initiative, knew of the existence of the well.[/quote]

Also, there is reason to suspect that [url=http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Charlotte_Lewis]Charlotte[/url] met Daniel on the island when she was a young girl (but likely when he was his "adult" current age... so maybe he time shifted there).

Here's a quote from that page:

[quote]Unable to move herself, she urges Dan to leave her and accompany the rest of the group to the Orchid. After the others leave, Charlotte confesses to Dan that she grew up on the Island and had left it with her mother. Despite her mothers assertion that she had merely invented the Island, Charlotte believed otherwise and had been searching for it ever since. She also confides to Dan that as a child a "crazy" man had told her that she must leave the Island and never return or she would die. She admits that she now recognizes that man as Dan. After telling him this, she dies.[/quote]

- Donald
[/quote]

But the majority of the Dharma structures had already been built even by the time the few people we know of who were on the on the island as children were already there (Ben, in the episode "The Man Behind the Curtain", and now Charlotte). The scene where Daniel bumped into Dr. Chiang during the building of the Orchid station is one of the only scenes of the pre-Dharma structures time.

We don't know for sure if young Charlotte is there at that time in the past or not, and I am not sure if there is any scenes in the present in which Ben and Charlotte are together or not, or if they would recognize each other even if they were! (although I suspect that Ben would be able to -just because he's Ben...)

I think it highly unlikely that Charlotte was on the island before the Orchid was built. Maybe they'll reveal more about this in flashbacks on a future episode, but my guess it that this mystery will remain unsolved...
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Feb 12, 2009 11:30PM)
I read somewhere that one indication of when the Orchid was built, was because Dr. Chang was playing a Willie Nelson record / "Shotgun Willie" song (the record that skipped), in the same episode ("Because you left").

According to the wiki site, that record / song was released in 1973.

So, it must have been later than that.

Also, some of the DHARMA orientation films, have copyright notice dates, to help indicate their place in the timeline. Even in the 80s. Remember, all of them feature Dr. Chang (under aliases).

- Donald
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Feb 13, 2009 12:51AM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-13 00:30, Donald Dunphy wrote:
I read somewhere that one indication of when the Orchid was built, was because Dr. Chang was playing a Willie Nelson record / "Shotgun Willie" song (the record that skipped), in the same episode ("Because you left").

According to the wiki site, that record / song was released in 1973.

So, it must have been later than that.

Also, some of the DHARMA orientation films, have copyright notice dates, to help indicate their place in the timeline. Even in the 80s. Remember, all of them feature Dr. Chang (under aliases).

- Donald
[/quote]


Early 80's -hence the apple computers (and not one mac amongst them!)

I figure Ben must have been 10-12 and given his age it was probably the early 70's when him and his dad moved to the island. So the 70's Willie would fit there.

Maybe he and Charlotte DID witness the old well before the construction of the Orchid station? Who knows!

I really love the period atmospherics in the show and was hoping they'd spend more time in the 50's to capture the feel of that time period as well...

Maybe in the future?
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Feb 13, 2009 02:03AM)
Season 5 is moving too sloooooow. It feels like they're stretching it out now.

Best,

Doug L.
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Feb 13, 2009 10:42AM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-13 03:03, Doug Lippert wrote:
Season 5 is moving too sloooooow. It feels like they're stretching it out now.

Best,

Doug L.
[/quote]

I agree. Which sucks because they've really got a lot of ground to cover if they are going to explain all of the mysteries they've built up over the past 5 seasons!
Message: Posted by: Pauldela (Feb 13, 2009 06:28PM)
So I think that somhow Locke as turning the wheel at the same time Ben was. Sound crazy?

Think about it, they both had a hard time pushing the donkey wheel, Locke was acctually pushing it in a different direction to what Ben was and in what seemed to be a different place. Ben was pushing on one side, Locke on the other, they were pushing against each other.
Message: Posted by: Pete Legend (Feb 13, 2009 06:48PM)
I have a question and hope someone could answer :D

Since Rousseau met Jen in the past(due to Jen going back in Time) how come she didn't recognise him years later when they met up again?
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Feb 13, 2009 06:50PM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-13 19:28, Pauldela wrote:
So I think that somhow Locke as turning the wheel at the same time Ben was. Sound crazy?

Think about it, they both had a hard time pushing the donkey wheel, Locke was acctually pushing it in a different direction to what Ben was and in what seemed to be a different place. Ben was pushing on one side, Locke on the other, they were pushing against each other.
[/quote]

What'chu been smokin' mate ?!?!

Actually, with time travel anything in possible and all theories are up for grabs so that makes as much sense as anything.

However, in the show Ben had trouble with the wheel because it was iced over -he used a crowbar to knock the ice off the wheel, and Locke was told the wheel was off its' axis and was already in motion and lit up...

I think it will be very interesting (like the climax to the whole show kinda interesting...) when Ben's ultimate intentions with regard to the Island are revealed... Does ANYONE here [i]really[/i] think he's doing what he's doing [i]merely[i/] to "help the island"? I think not!
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Feb 13, 2009 07:03PM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-13 19:48, Pete Legend wrote:
I have a question and hope someone could answer :D

Since Rousseau met Jen in the past(due to Jen going back in Time) how come she didn't recognise him years later when they met up again?
[/quote]

no good answer to that other than 16 years and a lot of post-traumatic shock syndrome later -and the fact that they met for less than 15 minutes even then...

Also I think there was only one scene in the whole show where Jin and Rousseau were together in the present, and even that was only in passing...
Message: Posted by: Pauldela (Feb 13, 2009 07:43PM)
Pete I will hook you up with a possible answer. By the way I'm a V.I.P member on this site and have been for years now, pm me if you join (username is still Pauldela)


ya its on this site somwhere in theorys and its a recent topic, http://www.4815162342.com
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Feb 13, 2009 09:54PM)
I would think it odd that she would NOT realize its jin. even after 17 years, washing up on a island and finding a korean man, who shortly disappeared might just stick in her mind....



what did charolette say to jin in korean?
Message: Posted by: rudy-ray (Feb 13, 2009 10:22PM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-13 00:30, Donald Dunphy wrote:
I read somewhere that one indication of when the Orchid was built, was because Dr. Chang was playing a Willie Nelson record / "Shotgun Willie" song (the record that skipped), in the same episode ("Because you left").

According to the wiki site, that record / song was released in 1973.


[/quote] This is really sad, I,ve got this album.
Rudy
Message: Posted by: Pete Legend (Feb 14, 2009 02:31PM)
Thanks for replies lads! :D It is kinda strange that she didn't recognise him but I assume lost being lost would have touched on an explanation that I missed or something :D

Pauldela that looks like pretty cool site :D I still couldn't find answer there thoug..any chance of hooking me up? :D
Message: Posted by: Rupert Bair (Feb 14, 2009 04:47PM)
Awesome episode. I believe its a lot more like having a dream, viewing the past that you can interact with and that you don't actually change history ie people remembering you...possibly (with the exception of the Desmond memory)
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Feb 19, 2009 03:26AM)
I, for one, was HIGHLY amused that the magic trick was called "'Fraidy Cat Rabbit " when, in fact, it wasn't 'Fraidy Cat Rabbit at all!
Message: Posted by: Ken Northridge (Feb 19, 2009 06:39AM)
I also noticed they wouldn't even show his face. What's up with that? Did anyone get the hunch that we have not seen the last of Jack's Grandfather?
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Feb 19, 2009 10:27AM)
Last night was kind of weak. She tells them all this stuff, and for the most part they believe it? No real questions? Oh sure, they just used math and some fancy pendulum and you can travel through time...


Whats up with jin?

And frank being the pilot? Reaching.....

And wouldnt he just turn around, did frank want to go back, and possibly die?
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Feb 19, 2009 11:16AM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-19 11:27, kcg5 wrote:
Whats up with jin?[/quote]

When I saw Jin in the Dharma uniform, driving the VW van, carrying the gun, I wondered, "[i]When[/i] are we?"

Remember, in the season opener, we saw Daniel in the bottom part of the Orchid back in the 1970s (he was in there the same time as it was being built by Dr. Chang), but they haven't made reference to it again.

It could be Jin is blending in with the Dharma people from some Dharma period, as are the other survivors who are time travelling. After all, we saw Daniel blending in to the Dharma people in a different time period (or, maybe Daniel was in the same time period as Jin is now in???) Just a wild guess.

And also, did they all stop time travelling, and are stuck at a certain point in the past on the island, because of Locke turning the wheel?

- Donald

P.S. re: Magician on last night's show. No, it wasn't a Fraidy Kat Rabbit. I caught that, too. :)

When we saw the magician with his rabbit, at Jack's Grandfather's resthome, I wondered if the rabbit had a number on it's back. Some of the rabbits from the island had numbers on their backs, and the survivors were told not to eat them (this is from a previous episode... I don't recall which one). It was implied they had been used for experiments.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Feb 19, 2009 12:38PM)
Good thoughts on Jin. I like how Hurley reacted when he saw the van he had drove in a earlier episode. I had the same thought about the numbers with the rabbit.



(jack might not want to dive head first into a large pond next time)
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Feb 19, 2009 12:55PM)
BTW, the van last night was a new VW van, and also Jin's Dharma uniform is a new uniform. New, as in not "old" / "worn". I read that detail on the ABC / LOST episode recap webpage.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Feb 19, 2009 01:43PM)
The episode did have some weak points, to be sure. I'll be nonplussed if the fate of the airplane they were in is not discussed in greater detail. The fact that they were, "all of a sudden just there" was not good and clever at all. It was all just a little too convenient, given the range of emotional responses the various survivors displayed about the thought of returning.


Best line of the episode: "You're the one who got to stay after school with Mrs. Hawking!"
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Feb 19, 2009 01:48PM)
Yes, the van was new. but when hurley drove it the van was old.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Feb 19, 2009 02:06PM)
Back in the 1970s / 1980s, there were several blue DHARMA vans on the island. At least 3 of them. I think they showed them in the episode where it showed Ben's childhood, and in another episode.

There's a photo on this page that shows multiple vans.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/DHARMA_van

So, the van that Hurley found / drove in a couple of episodes might not be the exact same one as Jin is driving.

BTW, I kept typing Dharma. But it should all be upper case, because it is an acronym.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Feb 19, 2009 02:35PM)
Acronym for what?
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Feb 19, 2009 02:37PM)
Hi Kevin -

I didn't know it was an acronym until I read this [url=http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/DHARMA_Initiative]LOST wiki page[/url] a week or two ago.

The "DHARMA" in the name "DHARMA Initiative" stands for [b]D[/b]epartment of [b]H[/b]euristics [b]A[/b]nd [b]R[/b]esearch on [b]M[/b]aterial [b]A[/b]pplications.

They probably told us in an episode, and I missed it.

- Donald

P.S. Good post, too, Gaddy.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Feb 19, 2009 10:40PM)
[quote]
On 2009-01-29 14:35, kcg5 wrote:
Does anyone remember the episode when richard goes to see john as a baby? He asks john to pick one or two objects? (one of the ways they select the Dalai Lama) Does john pick the compass that richard gave him recently?
[/quote]

I don't know about the Dali Lama (Although I did see a similar sequence in of all things "King of the Hill." But I remember the opening of "Lone Wolf and Cub" where the disgraced samari makes his baby son choose between a toy and a sword intending only to take him (and let him live) if he chooses the weapon.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Feb 20, 2009 12:51AM)
I just re-watched last night's episode ("316") again.

Questions I have about last night's episode:

What was in Hurley's guitar case?

I wanted to know where Aaron was. (I wondered if Kate left Aaron with Claire's mom.) And why was Kate acting so loopy, but Jack just accepting it?

Also, what did Ben do, to get all of those people on the plane at the same time, and co-ordinate Frank as the pilot?

What happened to Ben (how did he get beat up)?

Did you notice that Ben quipped that his mom taught him to read (When Jack asked him on the place, "How can you read?")? However, he was obviously saying that as only a joke, and/or lying once again. Because his mom died during his birth.

Also, there was two other passengers in the first class section. There was a guy who talked with Jack in the airport (said condolences about the loss of his friend... referring to Jeremy Bentham / John Locke, who Jack just made arrangements for to take his body on the flight). They showed him a bit... so I wonder if we will find out more about him. He was wearing a leather bomber jacket. Also, there was a female security guard / sherriff sitting beside Sayid. But they didn't show her quite as much.

Did you notice the parallels to the first flight? Jack is taking John's body, instead of his Dad's. Sayid is a prisoner, instead of Kate.

I thought the mention of doubting Thomas (the apostle), and then later the note from Locke ("I wish you had believed") had a nice link.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Feb 20, 2009 01:10AM)
Frank as the pilot was a weak point for me. He just buys into the idea? "ok, we are gonna crash again on that island."???

I forgot bens mom had died.

why is sayid being taken to guam as a prisoner? what did he do? it seemed like all his killings were done in different places, but not guam.


If some old lady explained that whole thing to me the way she did, I don't know how id react, but it would have been a lot different than they did...
Message: Posted by: Ken Northridge (Feb 20, 2009 05:59AM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-20 01:51, Donald Dunphy wrote:
I just re-watched last night's episode ("316") again.
[/quote]

A reference on John 3:16?

[quote]
Questions I have about last night's episode:

What was in Hurley's guitar case?
[/quote]

Charlie’s guitar, as in was in the first flight.

[quote]
What happened to Ben (how did he get beat up)?
[/quote]

He was at a marina, was there a confrontation with Desmond and Penny?

[quote]
Did you notice the parallels to the first flight? Jack is taking John's body, instead of his Dad's. Sayid is a prisoner, instead of Kate.
[/quote]

Kate looking shady under the glasses instead of Sawyer.

[quote]
I thought the mention of doubting Thomas (the apostle), and then later the note from Locke ("I wish you had believed") had a nice link.
[/quote]

There must be key scene when John confronts Jack that explains this. Did Jack doubt John as Doubting Thomas did? No one remembers Thomas for the brave man he was but for this one incident. Is that how we will remember Jack?

Getting back to John 3:16, John seems to be a Jesus like figure who sacrificed himself so others would not perish--those who believe in him.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Feb 20, 2009 09:14AM)
"316" is the flight number on Ajira Air, from the show.

(However, it is also a reference to John 3:16, which is an Easter Egg hidden in a website. BTW, there is an Ajira Airways website that is part of the online LOST game... I found it a while ago, from links on LOST sites. If you type the right code into the flight box, you get access to bonus pages. http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ajira_Airways )

And yes, Jack did doubt John in several episodes (end of season 3, start of season 4)... they've also had arguements about faith vs. science in several episodes. Faith / belief is an overall theme for the series. Jack represents "scientific explanation" whereas Locke represents "faith".

How could it be Charlie's guitar? Wouldn't Charlie's guitar already be on the island from before?

We also know that Jack needs to get back to that island. He was breaking down / abusing drugs, etc., before he realized he needed to get back. So, he's pretty much ready to do anything to get his "fix" (which is now the island).

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Ken Northridge (Feb 20, 2009 09:48AM)
[quote]
On 2009-02-20 10:14, Donald Dunphy wrote:

How could it be Charlie's guitar? Wouldn't Charlie's guitar already be on the island from before?

- Donald
[/quote]

Charlie came to visit Hurley, although we are made to believe it was just his imagination, mabye it was really him. Anything is possible when time travel is involved. Perhaps Charlie was the one who finally convinced Hurley to go on the plane, and he gave him his guitar to prove he was real.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Feb 20, 2009 09:49AM)
Yeah, I heard that theory somewhere. It's possible.

Personally I came up with the crazy theory that the guitar case is full of Apollo bars. :)

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Apollo_Bar

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Feb 26, 2009 11:43AM)
First off, excuse the double post. But then again, it has been 6 days.

[quote]
On 2009-02-20 06:59, Ken Northridge wrote:
[quote]
What happened to Ben (how did he get beat up)?
[/quote]

He was at a marina, was there a confrontation with Desmond and Penny?
[/quote]

Ken, before the new episode ("The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"), which aired last night, they had last week's episode ("316") but with pop-ups. In a popup on the episode "316" they suggested that Ben had done something to Penny (kept his promise to Widmore about killing her, because Widmore arranged for Ben's "daughter" to die). Ben did say something about keeping his promise. And he was calling from a phone at a marina.

So, you might be right.

Also, in the popup episode of "316", they talked about the magician's trick "Fraidy Kat Rabbit" and who invented it, etc. as a seguay to talk about other things in the series like the episode "White Rabbit" (reference to Alice in Wonderland). Again, this info was in the popup, not actually spoken.

BTW, the reference lamp-post (the DHARMA station) is a reference to the Chronicles of Narnia, and the lamp-post the children find in Narnia. And with the Oceanic 6 returning to the island, it was a reference specifically to Prince Caspian, where the children are pulled back into Narnia magically.

Also, good episode last night ("The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"). I also read the [url=http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=recap#t=162212&d=175782]recap of last night's episode[/url] online at ABC, which helped to clarify a few things. The Ajira Airways jet has crash landed on the Hydra Island (that's the one that the Others were on), not the main island.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Feb 26, 2009 01:58PM)
So why did Lupidis (sp), the captain of the plane take a boat with another woman? who was she? where did they go?
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Feb 26, 2009 04:24PM)
I suspect that the lady was Sun, and Frank was taking her back to the main island (so she could be with Jin).

- Donald
Message: Posted by: balducci (Mar 4, 2009 07:56PM)
Does anyone know for sure whether or not there is an episode of Lost airing this evening? I've seen conflicting information about that being reported.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Mar 4, 2009 09:28PM)
According to ABC's site, it's on tonight.

However, on A-Channel (in Victoria, BC, Canada), it is airing at a different time from normal (earlier). 7 pm instead of 9 pm.

If you miss the episodes they are online (Canadians watch online at [url=http://www.atv.ca]A-Channel's site[/url], Americans on ABC's site).

- Donald
Message: Posted by: balducci (Mar 4, 2009 09:47PM)
Thanks. Looks like I might have missed it already. Oh well, I have zero doubt that I'll find the episode uploaded to the web somewhere within a few hours.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Mar 5, 2009 02:25AM)
It should be on abc's site
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Mar 5, 2009 02:32AM)
Next episode is in 2 weeks? What's up with that?
Message: Posted by: balducci (Mar 5, 2009 04:34AM)
[quote]
On 2009-03-05 03:25, kcg5 wrote:
It should be on abc's site
[/quote]
That only works for viewers within the U.S. ... no matter, I've found it on-line elsewhere.
Message: Posted by: Ken Northridge (Mar 5, 2009 06:44AM)
So, anyone khow who the baby will turn out to be? We know is a boy.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Mar 5, 2009 11:27AM)
That's a good question. And I'm not sure about the answer.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Mar 5, 2009 11:51AM)
FINALLY THE STATUE!!!!! I jumped out of my seat at that, then it went away.... when will we get more info?
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Mar 19, 2009 12:37AM)
[quote]
On 2009-03-05 07:44, Ken Northridge wrote:
So, anyone khow who the baby will turn out to be? We know is a boy.
[/quote]

Wow! It was Ethan.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Ken Northridge (Mar 19, 2009 05:54AM)
Yeh, I picked up on that. How about young Ben? Once again, I thought this was the season that would start answering questions. After last night, I have more questions than ever. Now I know why they call it Lost!
Message: Posted by: balducci (Mar 19, 2009 07:40AM)
Here's one to ponder, now that time travel has entered the equation.

I wonder if Christian could be an older version of Jack? Wouldn't that be a hoot.

I don't recall whether or not Christian has ever said anything that would rule this out.
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Mar 19, 2009 09:44AM)
[quote]
On 2009-03-19 08:40, balducci wrote:
I wonder if Christian could be an older version of Jack? Wouldn't that be a hoot.
[/quote]

Christian is Jack's father. LOL, so no.

Evidence that Christian is real- Jack's ex-wife received a phone call from him after Jack punched the **** out of him at his AA meeting.

Best,

Doug L.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Mar 19, 2009 10:20AM)
[quote]
On 2009-03-19 10:44, Doug Lippert wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-03-19 08:40, balducci wrote:
I wonder if Christian could be an older version of Jack? Wouldn't that be a hoot.
[/quote]

Christian is Jack's father. LOL, so no.
[/quote]
That's exactly what I was getting at. Jack fathers himself 30 years back in time. I don't recall what was in the phone call you mentioned, that would rule that out as a possibility. The fact that Jack has issues with his father would not rule this out, if Jack was unaware that he was his own father.

I know this would be an incredible turnaround. It would be like in The Sixth Sense, in which a stunning revelation forces you to reexamine everything that has happened up until then.

But you may well be correct, this might clearly contradict something we already know (and something I've forgotten).
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Mar 19, 2009 02:19PM)
I think that Christian (Shepherd) and John (Locke) came back to life because of the island.* However, I think there is also something metaphysical (hope I am using the right word) about Christian in that he can appear in places that normally people wouldn't be. Like in the underground cavern with John, or in the cabin with Jacob. Maybe he can vanish and reappear at will, or pass through objects. Although he can handle physical things, and people can touch him. They don't necessarily see him as a ghost.

It reminds me of a resurrected Jesus.

- Donald

P.S. * If Christian and Locke have come back to life, does that mean others can do the same? I wonder about Charlie, etc.
Message: Posted by: rudy-ray (Mar 19, 2009 05:08PM)
I'm wondering why Sun is not back in 1978, is she already there?
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Mar 28, 2009 06:52PM)
So, Sayid is given lsd and shots ben as a boy? Where is this all going?
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Mar 29, 2009 01:28AM)
I wonder if Ben (even as a boy) will recover from his gunshot, much like Locke recovered after Ben shot him on an older episode. Because of the healing power of the island.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Mar 29, 2009 02:48AM)
My guess is that we've just seen the beginning of the events that cause (or are) "The Incident". Clearly this never happened in the past and seems to break the show's fundamental concept behind time travel -that you cannot change the past, what happened, happened.

I suspect there would be some serious consequences for doing so...

Also, this would explain why the Swan station's (currently being built in the past... Ah! the language of time travel!) purpose is altered to suit the needs imposed upon the island by "the incident".

Wild stuff!

PS- Where's Faraday?
PPS- I miss the Locke/Ben storyline...
Message: Posted by: balducci (Mar 29, 2009 10:33AM)
[quote]
On 2009-03-29 03:48, gaddy wrote:
My guess is that we've just seen the beginning of the events that cause (or are) "The Incident". Clearly this never happened in the past and seems to break the show's fundamental concept behind time travel -that you cannot change the past, what happened, happened.
[/quote]
I'm not so sure that this is tied to 'The Incident' but who knows.

But, in any case, what clearly never happened in the past? How do you know this?

I believe you are talking about young Ben getting shot, but why could this not have happened in the past?
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Mar 29, 2009 12:29PM)
I think he means-how could ben get shot, yet live in the future (at least compared to when he was shot...). Or maybe I still don't understand the "lost" version on time travel..
Message: Posted by: balducci (Mar 29, 2009 01:34PM)
I think it is still possible that young Ben is not dead, though he may be in critical condition. Unless I missed something, I this we saw him fall but his death was not confirmed.

Even if young Ben does die from the gunshots, we have no reason to think that he could not come back to life like Locke and others have done.

But I like the idea that Sayid did kill young Ben. This would tie in rather nicely with another part of the episode, in which adult Ben says (paraphrased) that Sayid is a killer through and through. Ben would certainly have reason to know / believe this, if Sayid did in fact kill him years ago.

I don't remember the first meeting (from our point of view) of Ben and Sayid and whether or not Ben seemed to recognise Sayid or not at the time. Of course, I believe Ben knew Sayid was on the original flight from the manifest so he would have been prepared to see Sayid again and could easily have masked any surprise.

[img]http://forum.lostpedia.com/picture.php?albumid=896&pictureid=9043[/img]
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Mar 29, 2009 03:32PM)
They've given a whole show to Ben's past in the DHARMA initiative. I think it would have been mentioned... Knowing Ben's character as we do, I think it's pretty safe to assume that if Ben was made aware of the fact that his past attacker was back on the island in the initial 815 crash he would have reacted differently to Sayid.

I don't mean to toot my own horn, but I've got a pretty good track record on LOST predictions :lol:

Also I've seen the listing of the titles of this seasons remaining shows and they seem to point in this direction...
Message: Posted by: balducci (Mar 29, 2009 07:49PM)
[quote]
On 2009-03-29 16:32, gaddy wrote:

Knowing Ben's character as we do, I think it's pretty safe to assume that if Ben was made aware of the fact that his past attacker was back on the island in the initial 815 crash he would have reacted differently to Sayid.
[/quote]
I don't think that is a safe assumption at all. We know Ben has a fabulous poker face, and we still do not know what Ben's intentions were and are. Besides, what reason is there for him to react differently? Why would he react differently? So far as we know, Ben has always acted in Ben's best interests (or in the best interests of the Island). Actually, it seems Ben has played / taken advantage of Sayid by making use of his inner nature as a killer (which Ben knows firsthand, based on his childhood experience with him).

Anyway I notice that these same questions, as to whether or not Sayid did kill Ben and whether or not 'our' Ben knew Sayid from his childhood, are being debated as we speak at various Lost sites. I guess time will tell us what's what.
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Mar 30, 2009 03:20PM)
Ben has lovely "tells" inherent to his poker face, you have to admit... BTW -which I love, as usually they are perfectly timed and positioned to make you just cringe!
Message: Posted by: balducci (Apr 2, 2009 12:03AM)
So we were all wrong in different respects, but I was right that Ben wasn't shot dead and apparently these events did happen in the past and are completely consistent with Ben's later life as we know it. He just doesn't remember being shot by Sayid, according to what Richard said.

I think it's a little surprising none of us considered that Ben might simply forget, or be induced to forget, what happened.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Apr 2, 2009 02:06AM)
The thing about ben forgetting being shot doesn't solve the time travel problem. When Jin found rouseau washed up on the beach pregnant, why wouldnt she remember Jin when she sees him when they crash the first time? Hurley is only scratching the surface
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Apr 2, 2009 03:13AM)
[quote]
On 2009-04-02 01:03, balducci wrote:
So we were all wrong in different respects, but I was right that Ben wasn't shot dead and apparently these events did happen in the past and are completely consistent with Ben's later life as we know it. He just doesn't remember being shot by Sayid, according to what Richard said.

I think it's a little surprising none of us considered that Ben might simply forget, or be induced to forget, what happened.
[/quote]

You are right about that... There was no doubt in my mind that Sayid could kill a 12 year old boy.

But I feel that the writers were not being true to Sayid's character by not having him kill Lil' Ben. The guy is a [b]killer[/b]. He's killed with his bare hands, he's killed with objects, and he's killed with guns, Guns GUNS!

Jin was unconscious, and he was alone with Lil' Ben with no time pressure on him or anything of the sort... He had all the time in the world and every emotional reason to make sure the job was done right!

...but we're supposed to just take it as given that he ploinks one into his chest and runs away like a little sissy without even checking for a pulse.

Um... "No!"

This was a case of lazy writers needing a plot device more than needing the actions of their characters to be believable.

Not one of their finest moments.

On the other hand an interesting bit of information from this episode is the inference that something must be "done" to someone in order for them to become an "Other", and it happens at "The Temple".

Veeeery interesting.
Message: Posted by: Ken Northridge (Apr 2, 2009 03:42AM)
[quote]
On 2009-04-02 04:13, gaddy wrote:
On the other hand an interesting bit of information from this episode is the inference that something must be "done" to someone in order for them to become an "Other", and it happens at "The Temple".

Veeeery interesting.
[/quote]

Interesting thought. Wouldn't Julia have known about this being that she is a certified, "other?"
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Apr 2, 2009 10:15AM)
[quote]
On 2009-04-02 04:42, Ken Northridge wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-04-02 04:13, gaddy wrote:
On the other hand an interesting bit of information from this episode is the inference that something must be "done" to someone in order for them to become an "Other", and it happens at "The Temple".

Veeeery interesting.
[/quote]

Interesting thought. Wouldn't Julia have known about this being that she is a certified, "other?"
[/quote]

Maybe, maybe not. Remember, Ben kept the "Temple" secret from even his own daughter who for all intents and purposes was an other.

Doug
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Apr 2, 2009 11:40AM)
But julia said she knew Ben could only be saved by the others.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Apr 9, 2009 10:45PM)
We are being given answers, and the occassional new question is being raised.

Someone earlier guessed that Locke became Jacob, because he ends up traveling into the 1970s, and later ends up becoming Jacob in 2007.

However, we now know that to be false. Jacob was mentioned in a conversation between Richard Alpert and Charles Widmore, when Ben (as a child in 1977) was recovering from his gunshot wound.

(And also, Locke mentioned Jacob to Alpert in a conversation back in the 1950s, when all of the time travel was happening.)

Also, it now seems as though Ben didn't successfully kill Penny or Desmond at the marina, before heading back to the island.

BTW, I think that Ilayna and the other people from the Arjia plane crash (who have the guns, and knocked Frank out), are more people sent by Widmore. They didn't kill Ben or take him hostage, so they must have another agenda.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Apr 10, 2009 02:25AM)
I dunno Donald. That crazy talk just before they KO'd Frank leads me to believe they are something else entirely.

Remember when they were searching through a desk looking for information on DHARMA? Widmore wouldn't need to send people to do that.
Message: Posted by: Ken Northridge (Apr 10, 2009 06:16AM)
Richard is a very mysterious character and one the writers have not explained too much about. He appears to be the same age in all time periods. That scene of Richard and Locke in the states, when Richard was disappointed with Locke. Was that significant? It is sure puzzling me.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Apr 10, 2009 11:31AM)
[quote]
On 2009-04-10 03:25, gaddy wrote:
I dunno Donald. That crazy talk just before they KO'd Frank leads me to believe they are something else entirely.

Remember when they were searching through a desk looking for information on DHARMA? Widmore wouldn't need to send people to do that.
[/quote]

Are you sure they were looking for info on DHARMA? Or were they looking for info on "the others" (after all, this was one of their offices)? Or perhaps both?

"The others" seem to know all about everything DHARMA.

Another theory could be that they are related to the island's original inhabitants, who worshiped at the idol (statue) and also created the carvings / temple / wheel. That is why they used that question. They were asking the question of Frank to test who he was, and where his loyalties lie.

Then we would have a new group in the story. Right now, we have the Oceanic survivors, "the others", the DHARMA people, other people from the island (Desmond, Danielle, etc.), the freighter of people sent by Charles Widmore (both mercenaries and scientific), and the Ajira survivors.

I'm not so sure I buy the idea that the original inhabitants are related to "the others" (current generation). The original inhabitants seemed much more "spiritual" from what we know of them (I liken them to people like the Mayans). The original inhabitants had the statue, the underground and above ground temples that they carved, the wheel, etc.

- Donald

P.S. Yes, Ken. Richard Alpert is someone they have not revealed a lot about, other than his agelessness and his ability to be involved in many situations over the years. At times, he seems to have more authority than Charles Widmore, Ben Linus, or John Locke. And yet, he seems to let them lead. You'd almost think he was more of an observer, but at times he does get involved.
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Apr 10, 2009 06:19PM)
[quote]
On 2009-04-10 12:31, Donald Dunphy wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-04-10 03:25, gaddy wrote:
I dunno Donald. That crazy talk just before they KO'd Frank leads me to believe they are something else entirely.

Remember when they were searching through a desk looking for information on DHARMA? Widmore wouldn't need to send people to do that.
[/quote]

Another theory could be that they are related to the island's original inhabitants, who worshiped at the idol (statue) and also created the carvings / temple / wheel. That is why they used that question. They were asking the question of Frank to test who he was, and where his loyalties lie.
[/quote]

This is what I'm thinking as well. or perhaps they're part of a group of people that found just enough information about the island to be dangerous...

This show is getting to be more evocative of [i]"The Prisoner"[/i] all the time!
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (May 14, 2009 01:10AM)
Wow! That was an awesome season finale.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Ken Northridge (May 14, 2009 06:40AM)
I'm still lost!
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (May 14, 2009 11:41AM)
I think miles was right with his theory. I loved the first scene on the beach, (anyone have any idea what the hell they were talking about?) the whole cave thing was very Heat of Darkness.

Anyone know where I can find what richard said in latin when asked about the statue?


I cant get over the mistakes with the guns, but its the greatest show ever.
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (May 14, 2009 11:55AM)
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Incident,_Parts_1_%26_2 (copy and paste)

On this site, it says that Richard responded to the question of "What lies in the shadow of the statue?" with "Ille qui nos omnes servabit" - “He who will protect/save us all.”

That Lostpedia site is handy.

- Donald

P.S. My theory about the people on the Ajira flight (Ilana and her crew), and also my theory about Jacob, were blown out of the water.
Message: Posted by: Ken Northridge (May 14, 2009 02:14PM)
I was somehow thinking or hoping Jacob would be a more admirable character. I'm disappointed, I think. I always route for the good guys. Who are the good guys? That’s the whole question here.

Talk about a cliff hanger.....
Message: Posted by: gaddy (May 14, 2009 02:30PM)
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On 2009-05-14 12:55, Donald Dunphy wrote:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Incident,_Parts_1_%26_2 (copy and paste)

On this site, it says that Richard responded to the question of "What lies in the shadow of the statue?" with "Ille qui nos omnes servabit" - “He who will protect/save us all.”

That Lostpedia site is handy.

- Donald

P.S. My theory about the people on the Ajira flight (Ilana and her crew), and also my theory about Jacob, were blown out of the water.
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Mine (that there's a duality between the island and Jacob and that Locke now physically represents the island much like the smoke monster) is still holding strong...

I find the whole Ilana/new characters sub-plot annoying this late in the show...