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Topic: Smash and Stab, knife under the cup
Message: Posted by: kellycards347 (Jan 29, 2009 03:43PM)
What are some other names commonly used for the spike under the cup? I have heard of "Spike" and "Smash and Stab". I have seen a few awful videos of people screwing this trick up on YouTube. Does anybody know what method they were using when they screwed it up?
Message: Posted by: Cipher (Jan 29, 2009 06:04PM)
It is also called Russian Roulette. Penguin Magic sells a version of it, and even recommend not to perform it. Here is the link: http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=1402
Message: Posted by: jimhlou (Jan 29, 2009 09:10PM)
What method they were using? Apparently they weren't using any method!

Jim
Message: Posted by: M Sini (Jan 30, 2009 07:38AM)
I have seen these videos as well. All the methods I know all have one flaw.... YOUR MIND. You know where the nail is located and you know you're supposed to smash the other cups but when you are so concentrated on not smashing the one with the nail....well you've seen the videos.
Message: Posted by: SoCalPro (Jan 30, 2009 10:56AM)
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On 2009-01-29 19:04, Cipher wrote:
It is also called Russian Roulette. Penguin Magic sells a version of it, and even recommend not to perform it. Here is the link: http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=1402
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Kinda funny how they don't recommend it but still sell it.
Message: Posted by: jimhlou (Jan 30, 2009 10:10PM)
I think they HIGHLY recommend it. The disclaimer is there just to keep from getting sued. Hard to file a lawsuit when the supplier advises you not to buy something.

Jim
Message: Posted by: ladirector (Jan 30, 2009 11:43PM)
The best version I've seen of this is called Grab & Stab on the Ten Years of Steve Spill DVD where it's done with knives, the trick fails and the magician is stabbed in the chest, he removes the knife and drinks water, which squirts out of the wound.
Message: Posted by: jimhlou (Feb 2, 2009 07:21PM)
That sounds like real magic. I do the Scorpion, which I highly recommend.

Jim
Message: Posted by: revmike (Feb 12, 2009 04:54PM)
Unlike some I do believe that there can be a time and place for effects such as these. I have used them myself in Gospel applications using a theme of trust, but only for older teens and adults.

I do a comedy version of the effect with raw eggs and paper cups and the kids giggle knowing I could get my hands all messy but no danger of anybody getting hurt. This usually follows my silk to egg or egg bag when I ask if they would like to see another "egg-strordinary" trick.
Message: Posted by: Fred Johnson (Feb 12, 2009 09:55PM)
The Grab & Stab that ladirector mentioned from the 10 Years of Spill DVD is a great trick but it is performance only, no method is given on the DVD.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Smith (Feb 14, 2009 02:31AM)
I think Wayne Dobson had a version of this but without the knife actually sticking in the chest or the water. But it was a russian roulette with knives.
Message: Posted by: semo (Feb 14, 2009 05:15PM)
Jimmy Fingers has a version called "Slamdown" that has safety mechanisms built in. It's a download here: http://www.jimmyfingers.com/slamdownpage.htm
Message: Posted by: avimagic (Apr 3, 2009 08:58AM)
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On 2009-02-14 18:15, semo wrote:
Jimmy Fingers has a version called "Slamdown" that has safety mechanisms built in. It's a download here: http://www.jimmyfingers.com/slamdownpage.htm
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I bought it (who could resist for only $15?) and personally found it to be a little lame. Just my opinion.
Message: Posted by: jimhlou (Apr 11, 2009 08:42PM)
If you want to smash and stab, get a Scorpion. Great trick, easy, and audiences love it.

Jim
Message: Posted by: electric.ceu (Apr 12, 2009 11:17AM)
I haven't seen the YouTube performances, but I saw a person perform the trick and screw up on TV (don't remember the show). The screw up was on purpose because he exposed the fake knife and blood on the back of his hand at he end of the trick.
Message: Posted by: punx469 (Apr 12, 2009 11:41AM)
Dan Sperry does the best version. He slides a razor blade into an Oreo and has them mixed up with his back turned and the assistants eyes closed, then instead of slamming his hand on them, he throws them in his mouth and chews them.... It's great! There are videos of this on YouTube... I think it's called Cookie Cutter. Check it out. There's also a couple of vids of people trying to perform it, but they just don't have the style that Sperry has.
Message: Posted by: avimagic (Apr 20, 2009 04:21PM)
I recently bought Instinct by Matthew Mello and absolutely love it.

It can be done on stage, as a street magic trick, or even at a table in a restaurant or banquet environment.

Very, very, very happy with this effect!
Message: Posted by: Jamie D (Apr 20, 2009 06:27PM)
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On 2009-04-20 17:21, avimagic wrote:
I recently bought Instinct by Matthew Mello and absolutely love it.

It can be done on stage, as a street magic trick, or even at a table in a restaurant or banquet environment.

Very, very, very happy with this effect!
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I also perform Instinct, and it has never failed to make a reputation for me. like Avi said, it can pretty much be performed anywhere, and it just looks so gritty.

One of my favorite effects to perform.
Message: Posted by: matthewmello (Apr 21, 2009 12:29AM)
Hey Daren, Avi,

Glad to hear you guys are enjoying the effect. I released it around two years ago, and I still perform it to this day. It's perfect for impromptu, and I always do some version of it when there are cups around.

Anyone interested can purchase it here...

http://www.thementalplayground.com/instinct.html

Matt Mello
Message: Posted by: Miraclemakers (Apr 22, 2009 04:40AM)
I'm one of the big fans of roulette trick.
Spike, Russian Roulette, Smash 'n Stab, Devil's Nail, Fruit Salad, and many more...
My newest trick of roulette is Cookie Cutter by Dan Sperry (Theory 11).
Check the video:
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj_6YuUy7IM
That's fun to perform......
Message: Posted by: teoswand (May 10, 2009 09:58AM)
I like Cyril version, it is the best for me...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD49mbICd_I
Message: Posted by: chronica (May 10, 2009 04:07PM)
I like the concept of the trick and plan to work on this effect. To locate the spike or knife or whatever I don't think it's a problem. I find the trick very deceptive when it is the spectator who chooses himself the one cup to be crushed(without card or dice for example...). Are there some versions for this effect?
Message: Posted by: magicianroger (May 15, 2009 09:49PM)
Ive got one called Death trap and have use it for years love it
Message: Posted by: semo (May 17, 2009 01:46AM)
Don't take Jimmy Fingers' Slamdown lightly, until you've tried it. I think it could easily be dismissed as a throw away if you haven't performed it and see the reactions. It plays huge and is very convincing.

If I'm not mistaken, it is the only one on the market where all but one cup has the dangerous items inside and an audience member helps choose the cup where the hand gets smashed. This version gives a nice shocking kicker since the first time the audience sees the spikes is at the end. There's a playful moment as well, since your audience has not seen the danger, they figure you're bluffing.
Message: Posted by: magic4545 (May 17, 2009 05:30PM)
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On 2009-05-10 17:07, chronica wrote:
I like the concept of the trick and plan to work on this effect. To locate the spike or knife or whatever I don't think it's a problem. I find the trick very deceptive when it is the spectator who chooses himself the one cup to be crushed(without card or dice for example...). Are there some versions for this effect?
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Slamdown is the only one that I know of that allows the spectator to select the cup without any preshow or stooging. With other methods, there are so many possible explanations. I agree with what you're saying, locating the danger object isn't that difficult for a performer.
Message: Posted by: Havens (Nov 21, 2009 01:48PM)
I'm looking for a nail version of this where you're able to slam your hand down on the cup with the nail. Obviously, I want to end the trick unharmed. Perhaps the nail disappears or collapses, that sort of thing.

Does anyone know if there's a version like this out there?
Message: Posted by: aitchy (Nov 26, 2009 12:39PM)
The best version I ever saw was on Derren Brown's recent lottery show -

The atmosphere was amazing.
He had 100 cups on the floor, told a spectator one has a spike under it and told him to stamp on them all- but one.
He had a 500,000 cheque for the guy should it go wrong - so there was the duality of him not wanting the nail but wanting the money, too. Very tense - great TV!

It was great and I've no idea of Derren's methods here - he is hard to pin down, that man.


I think the safest is the Cobra Sharpie/fang - little room for error, and no holding you hand over each which looks odd.



On 2009-11-26 13:46, aitchy wrote:
PS- some fake blood in a TT - smash down hand, and splash some blood into your palm.

...if you feel wicked.
Message: Posted by: MarvinWang (Feb 3, 2010 09:45PM)
They don't recommend it, but they still sell it, just like our government selling the cigarette.
Message: Posted by: Magic Alaskan (Nov 12, 2010 12:34AM)
I have the SPIKE, and it's a killer routine:

[i]A simple game of chance...
With a four inch spike.
Four inches of cold, hard steel ground to a point, and rising vertically from a solid wooden base.
Will you drive your open palm down onto it with force?

Blindfolded?

Take the chance, prove yourself. A life without pain has no meaning. Give your life meaning.

Three unmarked wooden blocks are displayed and one four inch steel spike. The performer can have his back turned, be blindfolded, or even leave the room while the spectator places the spike into one block (free choice). The spectator is then instructed to cover all the wooden blocks with styrofoam cups. The performer walks over to the three cups and instantly smashes his hand on two, leaving the cup with the spike underneath untouched! An incredible feat of mentalism!

Ideal for stage, cabaret, cruises, and other larger venues, this hand-crafted beauty is a versatile magic prop that can be played for comedy or high drama! Whichever way you choose, you will leave your audiences spellbound!

Please note that there are no outer markings and the system used is sure-fire and no-fail 110% safe! Everything can be examined before, during and after.

"I like both the compactness of the apparatus and the simplicity and dependability of the method. It works like a charm and with a modicum of care and caution by the performer, ending up with a spike through the hand should not occur. But a word of caution, like any other dangerous stunt (remember me, I'm the guy with the three pistols) you must not be careless or suffer from brain cramps. The method is excellent but that does not mean accidents can't happen if you allow your mind to wander when it should be focused on the performance. If you're a professional, SPIKE is definitely recommended."
- Larry Becker

Murphy's Magic Supplies, Inc. is not liable for any misuse and any injury that may incur due to carelessness on the part of the performer and will not sell it to anyone under the age of 18.

Comes complete with 3 wooden bases, spike, velvet bag and DVD. Includes BONUS special gimmick so you can start on this today.[/i]

You can get it at Penguin....
Message: Posted by: Roslyn (Dec 2, 2010 02:38AM)
Hi,

I was wondering if anyone could help me name this trick.

It's a Smash and Stab/Russian Roulette style trick that uses what looks like a wooden chopping board and a large kitchen knife. The wooden board has 5 holes in it for the spectator to decide where they want to place the knife. This and the other 4 holes are covered with paper bags, and the performer smashes down on the bags, leaving just the knife.

I really can't remember what it's called, and I've mislaid my instruction sheet that would tell me. Any help gratefully received.

Cheers,

Ros
Message: Posted by: Amazing Magic Co (Dec 2, 2010 04:50AM)
I, too, use Spike and love it. It is very ominous-looking and easy to detect.

Dan.
Message: Posted by: The Baldini (Dec 4, 2010 07:40PM)
I like doing this with paper cups and an egg, it's funny and there is a more real sense that the mag can splatter the egg, I also toss a box of cups to the spec and allow them to take out 3 or 4 cups .
Message: Posted by: bwarren3 (Dec 5, 2010 04:38AM)
I use the large stage version of Smash & Stab from Five of Hearts Magic in the UK, Wayne Dobson's original effect...beautifully made. I also use the Osterlind Stainless Steel blindfold. Unless you're drunk or just not paying attention, it's kinda hard to mess this effect up...so far...knock on wood, never missed....the spectator always sweats right down to their hands....nerves are shot and when the last cup is lifted and the 4" chrome spike is displayed, nothing but relief from the spectator.. Could not ask for a better effect...Can be performed surrounded like Street Magic, on Stage or a close-up situation...
Fantastic effect..no electronics to go bad...Call or email Sharron Rose or Colin...
Bill
Message: Posted by: illusionistaxe (Oct 25, 2012 05:51AM)
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On 2009-01-30 08:38, M Sini wrote:
I have seen these videos as well. All the methods I know all have one flaw.... YOUR MIND. You know where the nail is located and you know you're supposed to smash the other cups but when you are so concentrated on not smashing the one with the nail....well you've seen the videos.
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Haha...rightly said. I have performed Instinct by Mathew Mellow long back. (still risky) Now I use, Devil's Nail. Safest method I have seen so far. I would recommend it. I love Russian roulette kind of effects. Reputation makers and increased my bookings!

Good luck and cheers.
Message: Posted by: illusionistaxe (Oct 25, 2012 05:53AM)
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On 2009-04-12 12:41, punx469 wrote:
Dan Sperry does the best version. He slides a razor blade into an Oreo and has them mixed up with his back turned and the assistants eyes closed, then instead of slamming his hand on them, he throws them in his mouth and chews them.... It's great! There are videos of this on YouTube... I think it's called Cookie Cutter. Check it out. There's also a couple of vids of people trying to perform it, but they just don't have the style that Sperry has.
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That's a very impressive effect. Do you do it? if yes, how safe is it?
Message: Posted by: walidosama (Nov 22, 2019 04:46PM)
Can you recommend a book where I find a version of the russian roulette with paper bags and a nail ... I prefer a books coz of the country problems