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Topic: The Invisible Palm
Message: Posted by: SullyMagic (Mar 15, 2009 12:35PM)
Here's one of my performance videos of The Invisible Palm:

- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZizYPY_AoQ

I genuinely love this routine, this is the type of routine that isn't AS great as some more simplistic stuff to perform on real people but it's fantastic as a magician to work on and perfect and so on.

If you've got the time, would love some feedback on my performance, where you think my weakpoints are and so on.

This particular version is by a french magician called Arnaud Chevrier, obviously a variation on Larry Jenning's classic effect.

Let me know what you think.

Cheers.
Message: Posted by: RS1963 (Mar 15, 2009 01:00PM)
I would like to say not bad but I can't here's why.

Need work on the Vernon transfer move. The card being added to the ace(s) on the table was visible each time meaning what you are doing to add the card is not being hidden at all. Also on the last vanish I would keep hands further away from the packet or spectators will suspect that somehow you added the card quickly.

I can tell by watching this that you will do it well but at this time it needs to be improved in the areas I mentioned. I hope I'm not sounding harsh. I'm just being honest. Keep working on it you will get it to where it looks very good. Also slow down a bit. Seem to be running thru it quickly. Let each vanish and appearance sink in before moving to the next one.

Randy
Message: Posted by: Lawrence O (Mar 15, 2009 01:15PM)
I wouldn't be as severe as RS 1963 and more severe at the same time.

If you want to improve on the effect don't go for technical improvement: make it more magical. Input a nice script, make a character for yourself...

The technical research brings you into doing the effect for yourself in a bubble: it's a pure skill showing off and not the least magical.

Go towards magic rather than purist technical inversion: technique will always follow.

Check this thread on the invisible palm
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=296391&forum=2
Message: Posted by: RS1963 (Mar 15, 2009 04:21PM)
Lawrence I agree with what your saying but not the part of not improving the technical part. That is one flaw a lot of performers have they think that just because they don't perform the actions of the routine well it's still ok because there presentation is good. Sure the spectators can be entertained but there still not going to say the performer is a good magician. Good technique and good performance skills are both important to being a good magician.

I will say again I do believe that sullymagic will do this effect very well with more practice It's obvious that he cares what it will look like otherwise he would not have asked. I hope he will take My bad review and work on perfecting what is wrong.
Message: Posted by: edh (Mar 15, 2009 04:36PM)
Here's my take on it. On the laydown of the aces you do a sliding motion that I see many do. In my opinion that telegraphs exactly what it is you are doing and gives the effect away. Try to eliminate the sliding motion when you lay down the aces.
Message: Posted by: Daegs (Mar 15, 2009 04:55PM)
When doing the first transfer(the first red ace), the motion needs to be the aces moving away from the area that they were just in. Instead in your video, the motion is the hand with the suppose to be hidden ace moving towards the tabled two cards. Then after this motion is shown, the relaxed motion of dropping the 2 apparent aces on the table occurs.

The 2 apparent aces moving away should be the focused motion, and the secret addition should be the relaxed movement.

Also, the common beginner mistake of having a sliding movement when each ace is produced is noticeable, instead if you hit the tabled double with the side of your hand, the simple act of turning the hand over will separate it from the other, that way there needs to be no sliding for the production.


Finally, spend more time on the parts where you are suppose to have a card palmed but really don't.... currently those are given a rush treatment so most of the time is spent on double handling where nothing should actually be happening in the routine. The focus of the routine should be when you are "invisibly" palming a card, only in your video that gets half a second of "look my hand is empty, bang the card appears". The focus then shifts onto the handling of doubles(which should be boring to a spectator as they shouldn't suspect the double) instead of the routine itself.
Message: Posted by: tstark (Mar 15, 2009 05:47PM)
The motivation in the Vernon transfer is to move the cards on the table out of the way to make room for the cards being set down. In your video you made a dash for the cards on the table as you set the cards in your left hand in another location. Work on the choreography and timing a little more, but you do have a very good beginning.
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Mar 15, 2009 06:09PM)
From someone who does not know the routine.
I thought it looked real good.
Message: Posted by: Ben Train (Mar 15, 2009 07:08PM)
Two thoughts.

1) it seems rushed. Slow down bro!

2) You dismissed a youtube comment that I think is very apropos- before you show it's become invisible (I assume that's what's supposed to be happening...) you move the "palming" hand over the cards on the table. User MagicOnTheEdge points out that it looks like you drop it, which I agree with. You said "about people thinking I'm 'dropping' the card - there's nothing wrong with them thinking that. Because obviously nobody thinks it's REAL magic, the point is to make it look as real as possible though."

I disagree. The point is to make it look like magic (Check out Tamariz's the Magic Way). If you want to look like you're "mad fast", I suggest juggling or dancing.

I can see though from your work that's NOT what you want though. Slow it down and get rid of the passing-over-the-tabled-cards moments.

Ben
Message: Posted by: SullyMagic (Mar 16, 2009 06:08AM)
Quote: Also, the common beginner mistake of having a sliding movement when each ace is produced is noticeable, instead if you hit the tabled double with the side of your hand, the simple act of turning the hand over will separate it from the other, that way there needs to be no sliding for the production.

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I'm not a beginner lol, I've been doing card magic for about 6 years.

And I'm fully conscious of the lay down flaw, the technique when done right should be a twist of the palm as turned and timed as such that no spread can be seen.

It's just a timing thing, occasionally I slip up on vids. If anything that's the main flaw in my eyes of my performance of TIP.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mystoffelees (Mar 16, 2009 07:09AM)
Well, then, there you have it...
Message: Posted by: RS1963 (Mar 16, 2009 11:37AM)
Sullymagic.

You said "The main flaw if anything in your eye's" is the sliding of the hand and cards. That is a smaller flaw than the Vernon transfer being seen in My opinion. If a magician sees a move than the layman will too.

Many magicians believe that just because a magician sees something a non magician won't see it. Even tho a magician knows what he has seen and a layman does not. The layman will still know he has seen something he wasn't supposed too. So that hurts the magic effect as well.

Work on the transfer move to make it so it is not seen. Also follow the advice that Ben train gave as well as the others.
Message: Posted by: Mark Powell (Mar 16, 2009 02:06PM)
I only know the routine roughly, and certainly not good enough to perform, but on first viewing I really liked it. The vanish of that last ace really got me, and even with the miracle of YouTube and rewatching, I didn't see anything.

Saying that, if you're going to use music over your magic I would've preferred something slower (a nocturne?) to build the "magic". But that's just me. :)
Message: Posted by: jackstevens (Mar 16, 2009 02:53PM)
Prefer to see side steal and erdnase palm change for last card. Jenning's version is hard to beat. Your handling is poetic but I'm not sure it is particularly deceptive.
Message: Posted by: SullyMagic (Mar 16, 2009 03:02PM)
Quote: If a magician sees a move than the layman will too.

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Not sure I agree with that lol. Whilst it's true that if a flaw is bad enough, even on an unconscious level people will realize as you said that they saw something they shouldn't have. This generally isn't true of most technique.

The magician knows what to look for, because you know the Vernon Transfer, how it works, the sensibilites, the weakpoints etc. Then any flaw relating to it will be amplified 10 fold to you. A laymen I very much doubt would even unconsciously spot or resignate with the slightest alignment discrepancy. Especially whilst in flow of routine in midsts of being amazed and talked at and engaged and everything else.
Message: Posted by: tedski (Mar 16, 2009 03:45PM)
Where did you get Arnaud's handling from?
Message: Posted by: Daegs (Mar 16, 2009 04:13PM)
Ted, Arnaud does have a tutorial in french floating around. He may have learned it legitimately...

Regarding the beginner comment, I didn't say you were a beginner, just that it is a common beginner mistake. Normally it is corrected during the time they are beginners, for some reason it held over for you. Though for something that is a lifelong thing, 6 years still may be beginner to many...

Finally, I think our audiences deserve only the best. To say they won't notice flaw #1, flaw #2 or flaw #3 may be correct, but they still deserve the performance to be flawless, and that is what we should strive for.

I don't want my magic to be "good enough".
Message: Posted by: Lawrence O (Mar 16, 2009 04:18PM)
[quote]
On 2009-03-15 17:21, RS1963 wrote:
...Sure the spectators can be entertained but there still not going to say the performer is a good magician. Good technique and good performance skills are both important to being a good magician.
...
[/quote]

The purpose of magic is not for people to say that the performer is a good magician (that's the purpose of most magicians </> magic)
The purpose of magic is to entertain people with things going against the laws of nature and/or logic (not to OPENLY boost the magician's ego).

Therefore what is needed the most here is more magic. This does not mean that I would be advocating for mediocre technique: I said and repeat that when rehearsing the magic, the technique will come along where, if working only the technique, no magic will ensue and our friend would risk keeping on doing magical jugglery in a self-centred bubble.
Message: Posted by: SullyMagic (Mar 16, 2009 10:08PM)
Tedski in response to your question as to where I learned Arnaud's handling for this:

I used to chat to Arnaud online a few years back and he sent me a video tutorial for it. Probably about 3/4 years back now.

And 'Daegs' Yes I agree. I always strive for perfection. Although realistically I think it's an unobtainable goal. I consider myself a perfectionist and no matter how good of a performance I record or do or whatever. If I look back on it, even the next day or a few hours I tend to spot even minor things which bug me that I feel like perfecting. Missed at the time but noticed in hindsight.

Like I said I think 'perfect' or 'flawless' is literally impossible anyway. It's always in the eye of the beholder. One man's perfect is another man's shambles, one man's meat is another man's poison.

But, the strive for it is fun and I'll continue to play with it :).

All the best.
Message: Posted by: Ben Train (Mar 16, 2009 11:11PM)
I'm confused.

You asked for feedback but then systematically argued with, and rejected, virtually everything everyone said.

Do you want help, or no?

B.
Message: Posted by: SullyMagic (Mar 16, 2009 11:56PM)
I just asked for feedback lol... Yeah?

So if I disagree with the opinions given I'm not allowed to give my own?

I haven't been rude or ignorant or dogmatic. Just giving my opinion back, I see it as a discussion.
Message: Posted by: Ben Train (Mar 17, 2009 12:06AM)
"I'm fully conscious of the lay down flaw"

"Not sure I agree with that lol."

Those were the two responses you gave to the feedback that had been offered. No thank yous, no "I appreciate the help", etc. You talked about your experience, told people you already knew what they had pointed out, and lectured people on why you disagreed.

Are you free to disagree? Of course. Are you free to discuss it? Of course.

But if you do it with tact you'll find people are much more willing to help. As someone once told me- you need to learn to use a knife and fork first.

That's all I'm saying bro.

B.
Message: Posted by: SullyMagic (Mar 17, 2009 12:09AM)
Ok, well I don't mean it to come across in that manner.

If I were talking about it in person with somebody it wouldn't come across that way, it's just Online I type fast.

I think I might have Adult ADHD actually, going to clinic to find out soon. So that's why I sometimes type ridiculously long posts and can't help but debate lol, it's the nature of ADHD.

But I'll try to be more... I don't know, less... Stern from now on lol.

Cheers.
Message: Posted by: Ben Train (Mar 17, 2009 12:38AM)
My bad too. I'm in a terrible mood because school is piling on work. I had a ten page paper due today, another due tomorow, and a 15er due on Friday. Suffice to say I'm stressed to the max.

Forgive me as well.
Ben
Message: Posted by: Christopher Lyle (Mar 18, 2009 12:16AM)
Ben,

If memory serves me well (and it usually does), you ripped me up one side and down the other several months ago (over something that I don't even remember the subject) and then you sent me a PM explaining that school was piling on lots of work, you were stressed out, exams or whatever.

I'm just going to throw this out there...but I'm thinking when school is ruling your life, you may want to stay off the Café'...or at least don't post anything until your have returned to your normal DEFCON levels.

Just an observation!
Message: Posted by: Ben Train (Mar 18, 2009 12:43AM)
Hey Chris,

It's a fair one. But, in equal fairness... I meant every word I said. I just tend to be more post happy when I'm stressed with school work. What I'm apologizing for, I guess, isn't what I said (which I believe) but the fact that I said it.

If that makes any sense at all.
Ben
p.s.
It was about the coin routine you were offering for sale.
p.p.s.
I graduate in April (I hope!) but then I have another 2 years in another post-graduate program, then my MBA... so... duck and cover, as it's about another 5 years left of schooling.
Message: Posted by: Steven Youell (Mar 18, 2009 12:54AM)
[quote]
On 2009-03-16 07:08, SullyMagic wrote: I'm not a beginner lol, I've been doing card magic for about 6 years. [/quote]

I am not giving feedback on your technique or presentation skills here. Regarding the quote above though:

The term "beginner" is relative to who you're comparing yourself to or having a discussion with-- I've been doing Card Magic for about 36 years. To me and others on the Café-- you've just started.

SEY
Message: Posted by: MickeyPainless (Mar 18, 2009 01:36AM)
Ben,
You have nothing to apologize for in this thread!

MMc
Message: Posted by: Christopher Lyle (Mar 18, 2009 01:49AM)
Ben,

You have nothing to apologize for...I wasn't seeking an apology...just thought I would point out a pattern. Not trying to start a fight...just stating my observation. Nothing more...nothing less.
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Mar 18, 2009 09:07AM)
I'm not sure if I should start a new post or put this here. Maybe I'll do both.

I am doing Wayne Houchin's version of Invisible Palm Aces. I get a great reaction from the last 2 cards appearing but get no reaction at all with the first card.
I have even gone as far as showing I now have on;y 2 cards in my left hand right next to the cards on the table but still get a blank stare.

If they caught on to the method they would either say something and/or not be blown away by the next two. It seems it just doesn't register that anything has actually happened the first time.

Any suggestions?
Message: Posted by: Daegs (Mar 18, 2009 10:36AM)
Slyhand:
Better patter visualization that the card is suppose to be "invisibly" palmed, rather than the hand is just empty? Mime that you have a card to the point of re-positioning it in the palm or "dropping" it and re-placing it into palm.

My only guess is that you just flash your hand empty, so they don't think of the card as being "invisible" as much as just vanishing, so rather than "palming" the aces across the first appearance is a complete surprise(and maybe they just think there were 2 on the table and you just spread them), and they aren't sure what is the effect until the next two.



Without seeing you do it, it is going to be practically impossible to say what could be causing that...

Can you make a video and start a new thread for discussing it slyhand?
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Mar 18, 2009 10:46AM)
I know it's next to impossible to say without seeing what I am doing.
I use the line that Wayne does saying some people accuse me of having a device which pulls a card up my left sleeve, across my chest and into the right hand. I then show the right hand empty then do the reveal.

I will try to get vid together.
Message: Posted by: john oleson (Mar 18, 2009 06:54PM)
I liked it ... thx for sharing with us! Keep up the good work ... you are on your way to being a real Cardini.

johno
Message: Posted by: studentoflife (Apr 1, 2009 01:59PM)
Pretty nice version, thanks for sharing :)
Message: Posted by: markmiller (Apr 1, 2009 02:50PM)
Slyhand sounds good, not unlike the one Carney uses for Cards Across.
Message: Posted by: gadfly3d (Apr 1, 2009 03:10PM)
Let me add one detail to this. When you do the tent vanish you move the thumb of the hand that has the card. This destroys the illusion of the card being taken, the thumb should be absolutely still.

Gil Scott
Message: Posted by: markmiller (Apr 1, 2009 05:15PM)
Many situations the tent vanish isn't angle proof and should be discarded under many circumstances.
Message: Posted by: Lawrence O (Jun 9, 2009 08:04AM)
[quote]
On 2009-03-18 11:46, slyhand wrote:
I know it's next to impossible to say without seeing what I am doing.
I use the line that Wayne does saying some people accuse me of having a device which pulls a card up my left sleeve, across my chest and into the right hand. I then show the right hand empty then do the reveal.
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[/quote]

Use that as a patter: do first the invisible palm and then claim that you soled the problem in having a device which pulls a card up my left sleeve, across your chest and into your right hand, but that the beauty is that it's invisible as well.

Or you could start with the patter on this device and then, for the ensuing card claim that now you've found a better solution by invisibly palming the card. Thus you supply two interesting stories for the audience attention to get hooked by. In this case naturally you make sure to DEMONSTRATE that the card doesn't go up your sleeve... Now that's magic!
Message: Posted by: Lawrence O (Jun 9, 2009 09:02AM)
By the way, Bernard Bilis' version is now in DVD both in French and in English (language selected in the DVD) under the title 100% Bilis vol 2.

There are some very interesting tips by Bernard who has more than 40 years of experience with this effect. (I remember that he nailed me the first time with Lary Jennings version when I was 18 or 19 and I'll turn 60 around the end of the year). He added a gaff that is included in the DVD but which is not necessary to benefit from the tips on the double card handling that Bernard was amongst the first to brush up in this effect.

As already underlined, Rafael Beantar's tips on handling doubles (in his excellent DVDs Elegant Card Magic) are not out of place in this effect
Message: Posted by: Lawrence O (Jun 9, 2009 09:52AM)
[quote]
On 2009-03-18 01:54, Steven Youell wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-03-16 07:08, SullyMagic wrote: I'm not a beginner lol, I've been doing card magic for about 6 years. [/quote]

I am not giving feedback on your technique or presentation skills here. Regarding the quote above though:

The term "beginner" is relative to who you're comparing yourself to or having a discussion with-- I've been doing Card Magic for about 36 years. To me and others on the Caf�-- you've just started.

SEY
[/quote]

Steven,
Give the guy a break, you and I know that some of us progress faster than others. Even if 6 years is not much, remember what David Williamson did after six years... Even if Nick Sullivan is not David Williamson, he has gone quite a way. Yes he still hasn't lost the mental arrogance of the gifted ones but he is gifted nevertheless and what he does is interesting and there si some thinking in it. Give him the time to get from egotistic visual skill demonstration to real magic. It should take less than six additional years.

The old dog.
Message: Posted by: wsduncan (Jun 9, 2009 09:58PM)
[quote]
On 2009-03-16 07:08, SullyMagic wrote:
I'm not a beginner lol, I've been doing card magic for about 6 years.
[/quote]
In the US after six years you get to go to junior high school. Surely you're not suggesting that card magic is easier than reading, writing and 'rithmetic?

What Ben said, about slowing down... that. Additionally, you are waving your hands about too much. Consider what the effect is supposed to be. Are you making the cards vanish (implied by curling your fingers and opening them wide) or are you making the card invisible and keeping it in your palm. If the card is supposed to be invisible (the Jennings' effect) then your hand should always look like a card is pressed against the palm. The fingers should never close, or spread apart.
Message: Posted by: Lord Freddie (Jun 10, 2009 03:05AM)
I have come across this guy on other forums. All he does is post links to his You Tube videos and asks for comments. If any are negative he argues and just wants an ego massage.
I take it some people just don't want constructive advice...
Message: Posted by: joshsmagic (Jun 10, 2009 02:19PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-10 04:05, Lord Freddie wrote:
I have come across this guy on other forums. All he does is post links to his You Tube videos and asks for comments. If any are negative he argues and just wants an ego massage.
I take it some people just don't want constructive advice...
[/quote]

I too am familiar with 'this guy' and he is very mature and professional about his responses and opinions posted about his videos. Just because he asked for advice and states his opinion on that doesn't make him WRONG. I think its more childish to get upset that he has a different view than YOUR opinion. And if I am correct, he has stated that he is not intending to come off rude, arrogant, and immature. Who's to say what you're saying is rude? I think it is....but again that's just my opinion, that I'm entitled to. Honestly, what professional is going to start bashing this kid for having a discussion HE opened about his video?

Josh
Message: Posted by: MerlH (Jun 10, 2009 02:57PM)
You all may want to check out John Luka's version in his book "UNCOVERED". No tent vanish and his finish makes it easy. I presently use this version. This, by the way, is an excellant book. The card to wallet is worth the proverbal price of the book. I do the card to wallet first and then explain it using the Invisible Palm Aces.
Message: Posted by: joshsmagic (Jun 10, 2009 03:10PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-10 15:57, MerlH wrote:
You all may want to check out John Luka's version in his book "UNCOVERED". No tent vanish and his finish makes it easy. I presently use this version. This, by the way, is an excellant book. The card to wallet is worth the proverbal price of the book. I do the card to wallet first and then explain it using the Invisible Palm Aces.
[/quote]

that sounds great :)
Message: Posted by: Lawrence O (Jun 11, 2009 04:22PM)
Here is a fairly well updated list (as of June 1st 2009) of the variants on the Open Travelers also called The Invisible Palm. I got help from lots of magicians in the Magic Café to put it together and I wish to thank each of them.

Bilis Bernard: Stars Of Magic DVD Series Volume Four: Bernard Bilis Routines include Open Travelers which he reworked in his lecture notes over the years. The original Tannen's Stars Of Magic Video series has been combined into this attractive box set. The Fifteen videos that were released throughout the 1980s and 1990s have been combined into nine DVDs. & Nouvelles notes de conférence : an excellent version with the spectators in mind rather than the performer’s ego. Technically very good namely (but not only) on the light handling of the double. & 100% Bilis DVD #2: a revised version using a gaff to be able to show the ace each time just a second before it travels.

Cervon, Bruce claims to have reinvented Bill Miesel's method used for "Invincible" (published decades earlier) and never credited him whenever he reprinted "Aerodynamic Aces." The invisible palming plot, according to Richard Kaufman was suggested to Bruce by Dai Vernon (after seeing Jennings' trick).

Chevrier, Arnaud: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MngAHCjJJi4 a very clean version with a smart use of the lapping for the last card. The handling is seemless, the trick only needs a good script and some misdirection to be more magical. Also check Renaud Chevrier’s variant in Conjuring Chris’ hands at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oacijeKI1bo

Chretien, Yannick: David Stone And Jean Luc Bertrand present Yannick Chretien 2008 DVD by Close Up Magic and Magic Zoom: Two routines by Yannick plus David Stone’s one (performance only). Yannick’s handling is light and pleasant. His second routine which is part of an act is more impressive. David has a (non magical) move where his hand moves towards the audience with a card allegedly palmed which forces to focus on depth: Very interesting detail. http://www.close-up-magic.com/shop/ ***

De Camps, Eric. Stars of Magic DVD. Royal Travelers. The trick ends with the surprise kicker of a Royal Flush in Spades ending. The influence of the kicker ending was from a routine in Chris Kenner's book, "The Right Stuff" written by John Mendoza

England, Don: Technical Knock-Outs by John Mendoza & Lorayne's Best Of Friends Vol. 1, p 415 Open Travelers Plus by Don England expands on an Ackerman idea and the 4 aces change into 4 kings. There are the subtleties in the display of the cards: if his Tent Vanish is not as subtle as Bernard Bilis’ one, his Rub A Dub is a good insertion. & The routine is visible on Youtube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTcORp6GxvY

Faré, Jean: Imagick Hors Série Edward Marlo (magazine: 2000 Ed Marlo Special issue): Open Travellers with only four cards

Finley, Arthur: Stars of Magic, Series 6. N° 2. p. 95. Fig. 9, 1950. « Dai Vernon’s Slow-Motion Four Aces », second method: Finley invented the Tent Vanish sleight by 1941. Commercial artist in New York City, Finley, an amateur cardman by the mid 1920s, was one of the 5 original members of the New York "Inner Circle" by 1932.

Fisher, Cody: Cody Fisher on Magic DVD Las Vegas Aces & Las Vegas Aces: a marketed gaffed version of the Open Travelers. In an effort to expose the secret techniques of Las Vegas gamblers we magically cause the four aces to travel invisibly from hand to hand. The last ace is magically rubbed through the volunteer’s hand. This is Cody’s Killer strolling version of the effect. What was once a very sleight intensive routine is now almost self-working. There is absolutely no sleight of hand or secret palming. Make no mistake about it; this routine is real magic.

Hallas, Paul: The Paul Hallas Files Vol 1 video (1989): Disguised Travellers; It concludes with the aces changing into kings. You start with just the aces and no deck comes into play. A standard handling but a patter angle borrowed from Harris's "Discount Deck". & "Dungeon" magazine: Disguised Travellers variant involving a Himber wallet.

Hamman, Brother John: The Secrets of Brother John Hamman Copyright 1989 by Richard Kaufman: the invisible card & Skipping Kerns: the hand movement between the card is interesting

Harris, Paul: Las Vegas Close Up 1978 p. 26 to 41. The P.H. Invisible Palm. Very interesting but includes the discrepancy of the switch in the middle and thus inferior to the improvements by Steve Spilman & Art Of Astonishment Volume 3 book. The P.H. Invisible Palm

Houchin, Wayne: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YRjJkpXFGU Invisible palm: His technique is classic but his patter is nice: first he explains the suspicion (Juan Tamariz Magic way) that the card goes up the sleeve across the chess and then down the other arm to join the first one (first effect) The replacement of the “palmed card” is perfect no side movement; His packet switch is correct on the timing. Then he show that when a card is palmed it always sticks out somewhere unless you can do it invisibly (second effect) by squeezing the card (and it looks like it’s gone, you can be natural with this). The replacement of the “palmed card” is perfect no side movement. There are small mistakes in the handling of the double (one adjustment movement before tabling and timing fault in the In Transit which is otherwise well thought out) & True Astonishment Paul Harris Vol 7 DVD: Invisible Palm by Wayne Houchin: You've seen the video of Wayne performing this for years, now learn all the finesse and handling he's brought to this PH classic.

Hilkemeijer, Mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ormWpQpIZY&NR=1 2007: Real Invisible Palm. Aversion with only four aces. Well designed. A bit of over proving that there are only four cards at the beginning but some smart handling then.

Givens, Joel: Close Up Up Close by Joshua Jay DVD 2 Rubbed Away by Joel Givens. The technique consists in building an impromptu double facer to do an even more convincing Rub A Dub Dub vanish. This is extremely smart and deceptive.

James, Wesley: Pasteboard Perpensions 1990 very nice section detailing the various forms of Ace assemblies with some history/credit details. (In private correspondence with Thomas Wayne –a s reported in the Genii Forum in October 2001- , Wesley James additionally mentioned his belief that the basics of the Open Travelers routine - only Aces used, individual vanishes and reveals, use of Findley "Tent Vanish", reference to palming "invisible" Aces - predate Jennings claims by some amount of time.) Whether James' peer relationship and familiarity with Vernon, Jennings and other of that era makes him an "authority" is, of course, a matter of opinion; Thomas Wayne had found Wesley James, however, to be a very accurate and thorough source of information regarding the history of many effects and was inclined to consider his opinion with a great deal of weight.

Jay, Joshua: Joshua Jay - Talk About Tricks Vol 1 DVD. Bonus: Overlap Open Travelers

Jennings Larry: Expert Card Mysteries 1969 by Alton Sharpe. Ed. Alan Keith. p. 41 to 44. Jenning’s Open Travellers. Presented as a completely new method to perform an ace assembly For the first time, the method requires palming & The Classic Magic of Larry Jennings. 1986 Ed. L & L Publishing p. 144 to 149 Open Travellers is presented as the cleanest method for each and every ace effect. & Classic Magic The Larry Jennings DVD: The Invisible Palm. & Larry’s original performance and script can be enjoyed at http://furniturecorner.blogspot.com/2007/09/hello-fellow-magicians-and-magic-lovers.html

Kaufman, Richard. Le Magicien 1994 N° 137 p. 4724 to 4726. L’empalmage Invisible. This no palm version stems from Bruce Cervon’s method. It was assembled by Gene Maze and Richard Kaufman. & "Jenning's '67" Kaufman and Company 1997 p 155 chapter called Evolution of a Classic Routine: "Invisible Palm Aces"; p 156 History 160 Invisible Palm Aces No. 1 (The Molecular Aces); p 160 Finley Tent Vanish; p 163 The Wave Production; p 164 The Tent Palm; p 167 Invisible Palm Aces No. 2; p 168 Tabled D'Amico Spread; p 170 Invisible Palm Aces No. 3 (The Appearing Aces); p 170 Small-Packet Hofzinser Bottom/Top Change; p 172 Gambler's Cop Vanish; p 175 Invisible Palm Aces No. 4 (The Numerical Travellers); p 178 Invisible Palm Aces No. 5 (The Lonesome Travellers & The Alpha Count Travellers); p 181 Snap Palm; p 182 The Alpha Count; p 183 Bottom Palm Vanish; p 184 Invisible Palm Aces No. 6; p 195 Invisible Palm Aces to Pockets; p 195 Version One; p 198 Version Two.

Kenner Chris: Totally Out Of Control, 1992 by Richard Kaufman and Alan Greenberg p. 40 to 45: Travlrs 1. Thanks to a Clear double stik tape, the effect gains directedness in the handling of the extra card.

LaGerould, Terry: Pasteboard Presentations (1992). Gamblin' Shenanigans. Terry states that the effect is enhanced by the aces travelling face up to their destination

Luka, John: Uncovered – Secrets For The Serious Magician 2006 p 66 Open Travelers Plus Plus: A variation of Don England's "Open travelers Plus" designed to close "The Fun Routine". This version features no Tent Vanish and a final vanish of the last Ace that all of us can actually do & Reel Magic Quarterly - Episode 3 DVD. Off the Shelf John Luka presents his new book “Uncovered”, and then show and explains his nice variant of “The Invisible Palm”

Lyle, Christopher : Youtube no explanation for the last card (which he privately claimed was done using a pull). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiKTKh5gPbw Same good patter as Wayne Houchin but the last card is beyond understanding.

Marinni, Vinny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_s12ZIJV-U Snap Through The Mat: is a very good potential ingredient for the climax.

Marlo, Edward. The New Phoenix 1962 n° 375, December 1962, p. 329. The Open Travelers. & Malone Meets Marlo Vol 3 DVD. Open Air Assembly described in Jon Racherbaumer’s Card Finesse & Malone Meets Marlo Vol 6 DVD. Surrounded Open Travelers allows exactly what the title suggests. Marlo was claiming that the Open Travelers effect had been shown to him by Neal Elias in 1955.

Mase, Paul: Dominatricks by Tyler Wilson

Miesel, William M. The New Phoenix 1961 n° 362, p. 277 and 278. Invincible. It’s the same effect than the classic four ace trick except that, this time, the aces are no longer covered by three other cards. First version of the invisible palm.

Malone, Bill: On the Loose Vol 4 DVD an Ed Marlo version & Malone Meets Marlo Vol 3 DVD. Marlo’s Open Air Assembly

Mendoza, John: The Book Of John (vol.1) Open Travelers under the topic of The D´Amico-Spread

Nash, Martin: Master Card Magician Vol. 2 (in a series of 6 videos) Martin presents his version of Open Travelers. & The Very Best of Martin Nash Vol 1 DVD. The Invisible Palm: Martin Nash’s superb handling of Larry Jennings’ Open Travelers plot.

Norsigian, Gary: Tricks that will get you paid. Two-disc DVD set. “Invisible Palm Meets Phoenix Aces,” the magician shows how cards can be palmed invisibly, effectively making the cards in a packet disappear and then reappear. This is another visual trick that can work in close-up as well as stand-up.

Owen, Anthony: The Dungeon DVD Caravan Travellers Anthony Owen’s super-clean handling of Larry Jenning’s classic Open Travellers using sticky stuff.

Parker, Jack: Genii Magazine, June, 2007. Final Palm.

Powers, Mike: Top Secret stuff p 95 "Impossible Travellers" is a combination of the original effect and "McDonald's Aces". Power Plays High Voltage magic Open Travelers Transpo Redux is a routine crediting Don England’s one.

Racherbaumer, Jon. Card Finesse 1982 p 194: Open Air Assembly without extra card Ed Marlo's routine which appeared in the New Phoenix in December 1962 and was filmed in 1972 is offered again. Jon Racherbaumer, in 2000 wrote a private study entitled "Tracking the Open Travelers" with the following concluding remarks: "At the [sic] stage of the 'game', the provenance regarding this trick is still in dispute. However, Cervon's case seems more persuasive to me..."

Regal, David: Close-up and Personal: 1999 by Hermetic Press, Inc. p 10 Commercial Travel & Enough with the Tricks Already! Vol. 3 DVD: Commercial Travel

Rusli, Kent: Invisible palm: steal of the first card with the gambler’s cop but without real In Transit action. Like every other routine using the Ascanio spread, the spread is not a fan and this is regrettable. The laying down of the card is poor compared to other performers. The space management for the switch is fine.

Sankey, Jay. The Very Best Of Jay Sankey Vol 1 DVD. Smuggler Aces: A super clean "open travelers"

Sanvert, Jean-Jacques: Le Magicien 1993 p. 4477 to 4479 Sous les bandelettes de l’homme invisible [Under the invisible man’s bandages]. At the end the four aces change into a royal flush. & The Best of Jean Jacques Sanvert - World Champion Magic Vol 2 DVD 2008 by L&L Publishing. Invisible Flush Palm offers a startlingly new climax At the end the four aces change into a royal flush.

Savelief, Cyrille: Open Travellers (2005 booklet): based on Jean Farés translation of Marlo's solution but more direct on the last card.

Smith, Daniel: http://www.youtube.com/user/DanielSmith808?gl=GB&hl=en-GB A very clean handling of the double without too much demonstration along Renaud Chevrier’s lines

Spillman, Steve. Expert Card Chicanery 1976 compiled by Alton Sharpe. Ed. Alan Keith. S. S. p. 57 to 59. Addition to Open Travellers brings two new very smart moves to the effect.

Stone, David: Real Secrets of Magic DVD Vol 1 2006 by Jean-Luc Bertrand. Traveler. & Les vrais Secrets du Close Up. Vol. 1. A nice version adding a surprising finale where the Kings become aces. David credits Larry Jennings (Open Travellers), Yannick Chrétien (Ultimate Traveler) and J. J. Sanvert (Invisible Flush Palm).

Stone, Tom: Random Walk (2007 e-book) The Forbidden Palm. After considering whether the effect was about making the card invisible or whether it presented that the card was each time absorbed into the palm, Tom chose not to combine effects but to claim that, when the hand is pressed down hard on a card, it fades and turns invisible. The card is then handled as a flat and square piece of invisible matter. Technically Tom is the first to have introduced black art technique in the Invisible Palm like Henry Evans had done for the Three Card Monte but with, IMHO, a more subtle handling. This is a very interesting and intelligent routine involving structured misdirection in its design which thoughtfulness hasn’t been given enough consideration

Sullivan, Nick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZizYPY_AoQ

Swain, James : The Magic of James Swain Vol 4 DVD. Invisible Palm

Torrales, Hippie: Trapdoor magazine Issue #63, 1997. "Stealth Cards" In this version the last card is done face up with a move similar to David Roth's Pop Out Move with coins.

Vincent, Michael: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD38r0DYZl4&NR=1 A very interesting script with lively gestures and hand movements, an original way of presenting the tent vanish vertically before presenting it horizontally, a feint (the dropping card) which prevents the effect from being repetitive. Technically, it is definitely not the best routine, but in terms of entertainment and sharing with the audience, it is miles ahead of every other version: this proves that entertainment rules over technique. Not the slightest bit of arrogance and Michael’s irresistible smile which wins him any audience over. The main value of Michael’s routine however is that he is having fun together with his audience.
Message: Posted by: natswift (Jun 11, 2009 07:05PM)
This is one of my favorite effects.

I perform for people all the time.

Always a crowd pleaser.

I learned from one of Paul Harris videos probably in the early 90's.

Keep up the good work.
Message: Posted by: scody (Jul 5, 2009 10:14PM)
I'd love to get help with my version...
But, I've only been doing it for a little while.
Got it off the Paul Harris box set... Added two things which I think are GREAT... but I feel that if I throw it up on youtube... it might be giving away a routine that isn't mine?

Anybody willing to give some pointers maybe on PM?

I generally don't session with anybody... I do have a weekly bar gig though... and I have been performing it.

I thought this version was GREAT... which now leads me to second guess mine :)
Of course... I am not specifically speaking of the performance... but I felt the moves were in general, very nice.
Message: Posted by: lebowski (Jul 5, 2009 10:21PM)
Try the original by Larry Jennings.
Message: Posted by: Lawrence O (Jul 23, 2009 03:55PM)
If you check the list that I published, you can easily see that the Paul Harris handling is definitely not the best one (change of packet). The fact that the illusion itself is a crowd pleaser is not good enough in magicians' terms.

Searching for something for the first card, I ran across a Raphael Benatar which is a fantastic illusion and enables to lay down the first double card within an effect. The routine is in Elegant Card Magic Vol 1 and is called Kangaroo People. At the end of the effect, Raphael pulls out the two cards one by one when they could be easily placed as one to be able to take the other aces...

A perfect fit
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Jul 24, 2009 12:00PM)
Watch Jennings do it. It is perfect.
Message: Posted by: Lawrence O (Jul 27, 2009 06:09PM)
We Missed this one
Bingham, Euan: Free From Filler 2003 by Euan Bingham p. 19: Thanks to Jennings is a similar effect to Open Traveler

Magicfish
With due respect and for as much as I like Larry Jennings, his version is a starting point and not an end point resulting from perfection: there is no reason for the first card not to travel magically.
Message: Posted by: Lawrence O (Sep 23, 2009 01:32AM)
We also missed
Conn, Doug: Tricks Of My Trade by Paul Cummins; Tricked Traveler is Conn’s conn-vincing invisible palm routine.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Mar 14, 2010 08:57PM)
Hi Nick,

As you've found out, if you are going to ask for comments to something on the Café, you'll need a pretty thick skin. (Although some of the suggestions have been very good.) You probably can't find much better advice than listening to Lawrence O. The guy is a veritable encyclopedia of magic.

Anyway, no advice from me, I'm too new at it. However, as someone not too far removed from being a layman, I would have been completely fooled by it if I didn't know something about the invisible palm already. You're definatley developing some nice chops.

Good job.
Message: Posted by: snape (Aug 12, 2010 01:47PM)
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On 2009-07-23 16:55, Lawrence O wrote:
...Searching for something for the first card, I ran across a Raphael Benatar which is a fantastic illusion and enables to lay down the first double card within an effect. The routine is in Elegant Card Magic Vol 1 and is called Kangaroo People...
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Has this idea also appeared in print somewhere?