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Topic: TT & S P
Message: Posted by: phill (May 15, 2003 12:52PM)
I am working through an effect, although not original by any means. I wish I knew of the originator. Anyway, I need some help.

I have six empty styrofoam cups and ask a volunteer to choose one. The basis is making good choices in life.

They will have an absolutely free choice— no force. After a bit of byplay I give them an umbrella and then take the cup after filling it with water and poke a knitting needle through the cup while holding it over their head. They are expecting to get wet, but will not because of the SP, although the umbrella serves as a back-up. ;)

Is there a clean method to dumping the SP into the cup using a TT? I can't seem to come up with a smooth way.

Thanks for all the help.

peace,
phill
Message: Posted by: Peter Marucci (May 15, 2003 04:54PM)
Phill,
Rather than introduce the SP, why not have a cup with the SP already in it and switch the chosen cup for it? You could use a chair-back servante or something "innocent-looking" like that.
Message: Posted by: ChrisZampese (May 15, 2003 04:57PM)
If they can not see into the cups, can you just have SP in the bottom of each one?
Message: Posted by: Dragona (May 15, 2003 04:59PM)
Ok, what exactly do you mean by SP?
Message: Posted by: Andy Wonder (May 15, 2003 09:20PM)
What do you do with the discarded cups?
Message: Posted by: Bilwonder (May 15, 2003 09:21PM)
I make a little "tea" bag using Kleenex Tissue and a glue stick. This can be finger or thumb palmed and dropped in at any time as well as solving other kinds of problems.
Message: Posted by: phill (May 16, 2003 11:19AM)
I was thinking that the non-chosen cups could be turned over to further emphasize the 'fairness' of the choice.

The Learned Pig Project has a great book of forcing methods, but was looking for a non-force type of effect. I do like Bill's 'tea bag' idea and maybe that has possibilities.

Keep us 'posted' if any other thoughts come to mind.
Thanks for all the help.
phill

BTW Dragona I sent you a quick PM to explain SP.
Message: Posted by: what (May 16, 2003 02:19PM)
You could roll a piece of paper (or lucky dollar) around the TT and use it as a stirring stick or draw a face on it (upside-down so that you have a reason to turn him right side up) and call it the water inpsector.

You could be less covert about it and reach into the air to grab the magic "woofle blob." You might have to grab it with both hands in a big ball so that you have room to turn the TT and sprinkle it into the cup. (Spectators think that you are pantomiming pushing a blob into the cup when in fact, you are pouring the SP.)

You could show both hands empty, place them palms together (palming the loaded TT) and make a hand-warming motion over the cup to warm it to the correct temperature.

The tea-bag idea sounds very practical. You could even have it loaded in the TT if you wanted to show both hands empty.

Good Luck

Mike
Message: Posted by: Andy Wonder (May 16, 2003 04:10PM)
I hope you told Dragona SP is something he has to keep secret from his audience.
Message: Posted by: Bilwonder (May 17, 2003 02:21AM)
It seems to me that 6 cups may be distracting, unless you did something with each. Maybe had some funny choice they represent written on the back or bottom.

Or perhaps play it like a gameshow...(using a force) all the unchosen cups contain fabulous prizes...the one they chose could be the "joke" (something like "Niagra falls in a cup..") or it could be the cup they left you with...

Poking a pencil into the cup made me think of Martian Gardner when he speaks of drawing a face on a cup and saying, "this is Wyatt". He then pokes a pencil in the cup making a "mouth" (it's full of liquid), and as the liquid spews out he says, "And that's Wyatt Erp!" It's a bit sick, but unforgettable. Could open the routine with this bit to let them know what to expect...

Senetor Crandell's cup routine used the umbrella idea, but only one cup. Might get some ideas from his routine on presentation.

Just tinkering...
A memorable routine takes a lot of heat off the "trickery", making whatever "moves" you do much easier.
Message: Posted by: phill (May 19, 2003 08:33AM)
Thank you all for your input. I do appreciate the references and the "have you thought about".

Keep them coming.

phill
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (May 19, 2003 05:21PM)
I've never used SP with a TT or even SP at all for that matter.

What is the SP to H2O ratio that will work?

In other words I'd like to have a significant amount of H2O so...

HM SP DO I need TO DO the SP N TT MT?

TY,

Frank
Message: Posted by: phill (May 20, 2003 08:26AM)
Sorry for all the "cloak and dagger" abbreviations, didn't want to come close to the ethical/revelation boundary line.

To address the amount question, I have found that a heavy teaspoon of SP can deal with about 8 oz.+/- of water.

peace,
phill
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (May 20, 2003 04:26PM)
Wow. That's impressive.

Then I'm off to the MS to buy some SP to put in my TT.

I wonder HM $ is some SP for your TT?

CU,

FS
Message: Posted by: phill (May 21, 2003 11:47AM)
FS -
I buy my SP through the USPS from DHGM, about 800 pennies for a bottle that lasts for many performances breaking it down into the SP/TT ratio.

The closest MS to me is about 2400 seconds away. It's a pretty good MS but I don't get the privilege of getting there enough.

peace,
PB
Message: Posted by: flourish dude (May 21, 2003 01:43PM)
Too funny!
No wait... TF!
Message: Posted by: henri loik (Nov 22, 2011 04:39PM)
[quote]
On 2003-05-20 09:26, phill wrote:
Sorry for all the "cloak and dagger" abbreviations, didn't want to come close to the ethical/revelation boundary line.

To address the amount question, I have found that a heavy teaspoon of SP can deal with about 8 oz.+/- of water.

peace,
phill
[/quote]
Do you mean Slush powder? Only magicians read this forum, you don't need to abbreviate everything. When you reveal a classic gimmick, it isn't really harming anybody, since most of us already know what it is, plus we have to pay for it anyways. Unlike revealing a method, revealing a gimmick to magicians is not harmful in any way since they have to pay for it.
Message: Posted by: Trekdad (Nov 22, 2011 05:50PM)
[quote]
On 2011-11-22 17:39, henri loik wrote:
[quote]
On 2003-05-20 09:26, phill wrote:
Sorry for all the "cloak and dagger" abbreviations, didn't want to come close to the ethical/revelation boundary line.

To address the amount question, I have found that a heavy teaspoon of SP can deal with about 8 oz.+/- of water.

peace,
phill
[/quote]
Do you mean Slush powder? Only magicians read this forum, you don't need to abbreviate everything. When you reveal a classic gimmick, it isn't really harming anybody, since most of us already know what it is, plus we have to pay for it anyways. Unlike revealing a method, revealing a gimmick to magicians is not harmful in any way since they have to pay for it.
[/quote]

Other than "Secret Sessions" and a couple of other topics here, most of these posts, including from "Little Darlings" are indexed by Google and the posts appear and are openly accessible to anyone searching the internet.
Message: Posted by: themagicguy (Nov 22, 2011 06:36PM)
So.... The point of bumping up this old post was?
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (Nov 23, 2011 02:11AM)
[quote]
On 2011-11-22 19:36, themagicguy wrote:
So.... The point of bumping up this old post was?
[/quote]
apparently, to mention how the effect works?
Message: Posted by: henri loik (Nov 23, 2011 11:06AM)
[quote]
On 2011-11-22 18:50, Trekdad wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-11-22 17:39, henri loik wrote:
[quote]
On 2003-05-20 09:26, phill wrote:
Sorry for all the "cloak and dagger" abbreviations, didn't want to come close to the ethical/revelation boundary line.

To address the amount question, I have found that a heavy teaspoon of SP can deal with about 8 oz.+/- of water.

peace,
phill
[/quote]
Do you mean Slush powder? Only magicians read this forum, you don't need to abbreviate everything. When you reveal a classic gimmick, it isn't really harming anybody, since most of us already know what it is, plus we have to pay for it anyways. Unlike revealing a method, revealing a gimmick to magicians is not harmful in any way since they have to pay for it.
[/quote]

Other than "Secret Sessions" and a couple of other topics here, most of these posts, including from "Little Darlings" are indexed by Google and the posts appear and are openly accessible to anyone searching the internet.
[/quote]

Sorry for Bumping this old post, but unless you say "Kids, that was slush powder. And that appearing silk before is called a thumbtip production!" I don't think people are going to find this post on their google search. I really don't think it would come up on accident either.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 23, 2011 11:18AM)
I use s/p in about every show I do.
amazing illusions can be performed with this.
todd
Message: Posted by: garydunn (Nov 23, 2011 05:23PM)
Why not try one of these:

http://www.magicshop.co.uk/p11495/Slush_Powder_Wand_White_Tips_by_Bazar_de_Magia/product_info.html
Message: Posted by: JimbosMagic (Nov 23, 2011 08:49PM)
I use slush powder from a thumb tip.
I get the cups to be cleaned out with a duster. as the first cup is returned I add the slush from the tip whilst giving the person a second cup to clean.

To start I have the TT in the cup with the duster or cloth. As I pick up the cup I add the TT on the my first finger. and take the cloth as well. give the cup to spectator and cloth and tell them to clean it out. whilst they do this I take the TT off and hold it in my palm with the opening towards my finger ends. As they give me back the cup I take it with my other hand and place it over the TT hand. At that piont I give them the other cup to clean. Now while this is being done I drop my hand to my side letting the powder fall in to the first cup.
I get rid of the TT as I take the cloth from them and ditch them together.

I hope that makes sence.
Message: Posted by: Isaiah (Nov 23, 2011 09:19PM)
Take a plastic wand, make a hole in teh end of the wand and fill the wand with SP. When you show the cup empty put the wand into the cup to show its empty and when you tip the cup right side up the wand is still in the cup and the SP falls out. PERFECT
Message: Posted by: danfreed (Nov 23, 2011 09:46PM)
You can also buy a slush wand to do that.