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Topic: CATCH by Ben Seidman
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Apr 6, 2009 02:34PM)
Ben Seidman creator of IVanish, has another release out.

I found it on Penguin Magic.

Any thoughts on this?

Alex
Message: Posted by: Devin Knight (Apr 6, 2009 03:08PM)
This is great. I have it, there is some initial preparation to prepare the trick but once you make it up you have a killer effect as your hand REALLY is empty when you plunge it into the spray of cards. He even gives a method where the card can be signed.

In the basic effect the card is not removed from the deck. You merely fan the cards and have a person think of a card. The spectator shuffles the deck and can throw it into the air.You plunge your hand into the spray of cards plucking the actual card thought of.

Here is an idea. I personally don't like throwing the cards into the air. It ruins the deck and they fall all over the floor. You have to pick them up, etc.

Get a LARGE clear plastic bag, about 15 x 17. Fan the cards and let someone just think of a card. The person shuffles the cards and drops them into clear plastic bag. He shakes the cards so they are well mixed and holds the bag open. Showing your hand clearly to be empty you plunge it into the bag while looking away and immediately pull out the merely thought of card. How's that for a killer effect? If you have the trick you can use the plastic bag idea (which isn't mentioned on the DVD).

Devin Knight
Message: Posted by: Benji Bruce (Apr 6, 2009 08:52PM)
I saw Ben perform this at a show and WOW. It looks really clean since all they have to do is think of a card and you throw them to catch the one they thought of. Your hands don't look suspicious like you're palming a card so it is as clean as possible. This effect seems perfect for one of those moments where you want to impress people with something quick that can play for any sized audience.
Message: Posted by: jprace (Apr 6, 2009 08:56PM)
One thing to note out is they don't really get a free choice of a card. It is a force. And using the force where they only think of a card, spectators can call you out on it.

I like some of the alternative methods on the DVD more than the main handling.
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Apr 7, 2009 09:06AM)
I ordered this last night from Hocus Pocus!

I will review it once I receive it.

Thanks

Alex
Message: Posted by: Benji Bruce (Apr 7, 2009 06:01PM)
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On 2009-04-06 21:56, magicman4646 wrote:
One thing to note out is they don't really get a free choice of a card. It is a force. And using the force where they only think of a card, spectators can call you out on it.

I like some of the alternative methods on the DVD more than the main handling.
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That may be the truth but from the audience's perspective, they think of a card. That is exactly how Ben performed it and that is exactly how I remember it. The person might call you out on it but that can happen with any effect so I would keep it the same way it is routined.
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Apr 8, 2009 11:35AM)
I will post a review of this tomorrow, when I receive it?

Thanks

Alex
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Apr 10, 2009 03:28PM)
OK so I saw this.

It is absolutely great!

What I loved about the DVD is that Ben also goes over older methods on catching the card with sleight of hand.

He also teaches you all the moves necessary as well.

The gimmicked version is great as you can show you hand empty before the catch.

I agree with Devin above.

Alex
Message: Posted by: cardlover (Apr 10, 2009 03:58PM)
John Carney has a hands free version of catching a card fron a springing deck in his book, which is about as clean looking as it gets and looks completley open and fair, with no angle issues at all.

I wonder if the same gimmick is involved?
Message: Posted by: Vraagaard (Apr 14, 2009 07:28AM)
Sounds great. I'm tempted.

However, if on a stage or in parlour situation the throw the deck in the air catch the card and leave the deck on the ground - nice display. Never mind the deck, even if you don't get paid for the show.

Close up, the plastic bag idea seems very good.
Message: Posted by: Miraclemakers (Apr 14, 2009 11:30PM)
Thanks for all information about this product,
it's interesting from the first time I saw the video.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Apr 15, 2009 03:39PM)
Ben's a very talented guy. I liked his Ivanish DVD and this looks like another winner from him.
Message: Posted by: Thecloseupmagic (Apr 20, 2009 09:02PM)
Hey Everyone!

Ben Seidman here.... Thanks for your kind words about CATCH! This one of a few routines that I make my living with. In otherwords, If I'm doing a stand up set, there's a 95% chance Catch will be a feature. There are occasions where it might be inappropriate to scatter a deck of cards depending on the venue, but I find this rare. often, after the show, audience members pick up cards off the floor and ask me to sign them. (Devin, cool idea with the plastic bag!) If cards on the floor bother someone, try Devinís idea. Or if it really turns you off, perhaps CATCH! isnít for you.

There are 5 methods on the dvd because I want people to use what works best for them. Most people Iíve talked to love the main method, but of course some prefer another handling. Either way, Great! Each method has its own strengths. And I have performed all of them in front of real people.

My audiences leave thinking that CATCH! wasnít a magic trick, instead it looks to them like real skill. of course this count be farther from the truth, itís a trick. But the routine looks so clean that it seems to be real. I like that.

One post mentioned a force and although I donít think its proper etiquette to discuss the method of marketed effects, I will say that the spectator VERBALLY CONFIRMS THAT THEY COULD HAVE SEEN ANY CARD. Everyone, including your spectator, comes away very amazed. If you donít like the ďthought of cardĒ aspect you can simply have a card selected. It works either way.

In response to card loverís post, I do mention Carney for his terrific method in Carneycopia. My gimmick and handling are different from his, for example, CATCH! can be done without a table.

I hope this has helped clear up some questions. thank you all for your interest!

Ben Seidman
Creator of CATCH! & iVanish
Magic Consultant Ė Mindfreak
The Resident Magician at Mandalay Bay Las Vegas
Message: Posted by: johndraws (Apr 20, 2009 10:12PM)
"My audiences leave thinking that CATCH! wasnít a magic trick, instead it looks to them like real skill. of course this count be farther from the truth, itís a trick. But the routine looks so clean that it seems to be real. I like that. "


I think this an an overlooked value by magicians. Many times I have performed tricks or "demonstrations" that seem (to the spectator) to require a great deal of skill. Honestly, Who does not admire or repect skill? We all love Dia Vernon. Why? Skill level is more respected than the notion that something magical actually happened. The spectator is enormously wowed to say the least with "Catch".
I have observed "Catch" and was impressed from the very first time. Ben...was this the same version Criss Angel did on the motorcycle where someone threw up the deck of cards as he drove through them and caught the selected card? Again...not so much as a magic trick but as a card sleight. Hand empty...cards go up....thought of card is caught in mid air. It looks flawless. Do not over think this...do not get trapped in the magicians way of thinking. Spectators love this and as a magican so do I...hand shown empty. It is fantastic. To me...this effect is more entertaining to witness than any card razzle dazzel shuffle or Dan and Dave manipulatuon routine they can come up with.

Ben thanks for sharing this gem. It is definately something spectators talk about after the performance. The conversations that happen afterwards....are more important that what actually takes place. That is the entire principle of magic. What took place in their mind...Ben's routine "Catch" is clean, flawless and invites discussion on what happened. Worth every penny.
Message: Posted by: cpzwart (Apr 20, 2009 10:55PM)
I met Ben back in January at a lecture in Baltimore and was instantly impressed with Catch. After viewing the DVD I was even more so.

Not only does Ben explain everything in great detail, he also gives a thorough history on the concept of the trick, which a lot of DVD's lack.

The trick itself is very clever, I watched the promo video a dozen times and couldn't pick up on the method. I had an idea in my head on what it could be, but I was way off! What Ben has come up with goes way beyond what I thought.

Ben leaves nothing out of this DVD, with all the different methods he teaches, you really could perform this trick at a moments notice.

Great Job, Ben. I look forward to seeing what you come up with in the future.
Message: Posted by: Alvo (Apr 21, 2009 02:05AM)
For anyone interested, I did a short interview with Ben about Catch yesterday. You can listen to it here: http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=1943 (just under the video)
Message: Posted by: Paul Draper (Apr 21, 2009 06:22PM)
Ben Seidman is one of the most exciting magicians in Las Vegas today. He has come out with some stellar effects that magicians universally enjoy watching and performing. Ben has consulted on Criss Angels Mindfreak and is touring the country with the Optical Delusions. I love when Ben and I are both in Vegas at the same time and can sit down and talk about magic! Ben is very clever, very original.

-Paul Draper
Message: Posted by: johndraws (Apr 21, 2009 09:17PM)
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On 2009-04-21 03:05, Alvo wrote:
For anyone interested, I did a short interview with Ben about Catch yesterday. You can listen to it here: http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=1943 (just under the video)
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I enjoyed that interview. Ben, what happened in Colorado?

Ben mentions the stab routines with Aldo. I too enjoy the stab a card in the air routines however this Catch routine is very VERY practical.There is no reason for a spectator to even think a "gimmiked" prop is used.Unlike a card stab routine. Even though the knife is not gimmiked...many people think it might be. So this is engineered out of the routine in Ben's "Catch". Which makes it even stronger than a stab routine.Also...in the videos posted on another topic,the video has a very unatural way to "remove" the card...one of Ben's versions (there are 5) on the DVD has someone THINK of a card. Both routines are amazing...and like you have described before, your catch routine seems to be perceived as more of a demonstration of learned and practiced skill. If people are thinking of buying the John Kennedy routine.....do it. However, Luke Jermay suggested that when you learn a trick with a gimmick.....learn a version you can do without it.John's card stab is so affordable and so is Ben's DVD that you can buy both for less than $85.00 WHy not buy both if you are just thinking of one? A. Who DOESN't love a card stab...and if your going to buy and learn a stab routine everntually if you are noted as a magician, you will be asked to do THAT trick when you are propless....with Ben...one of the 5 versions shows you an impromptu version. You cannot go wrong with Ben's catch for several reasons. There are to many reason why you should add this one to your list of practical yet memorable routines. Thought of card...cards thrown in the air...empty hand catches and reveals thought of card....kick ass. How did he catch it...and how did he know which one it was? Left Right combo.
Message: Posted by: jprace (Apr 21, 2009 09:49PM)
You talk of this routine as if it's impromptu, when it's not. It's heavily gimmicked. Hence, the Luke Jermay quote does not apply.

The reason I mentioned the force is because it's easy and quite possible for the spectator to call you out on it. It's not a sure-fire force, but it's one of the main advertising points for CATCH!
Message: Posted by: Sean Fields (Apr 21, 2009 10:20PM)
Ben was kind enough to give the the lowdown on Catch! on the phone today; this routine oozes Ben's unique approach to magic. If you like what you see in the demo, you are going to love whats on the DVD!

Sean
Message: Posted by: Thecloseupmagic (Apr 21, 2009 10:24PM)
In response to magicman4646:

I have never been called out. Not once. I have used the technique you speak of hundreds of times and there has never been a problem. You write that it isnít ďsure fire,Ē yet I have performed it with 100% accuracy. Perhaps that specific technique is too bold for your taste magicman4646. Thatís why there are other options on the dvd. But frankly, Iíve never had problems with this moment, nor has anyone I know of who does the routine.
Message: Posted by: Sean Fields (Apr 21, 2009 10:52PM)
The force does work, and properly handled, will be 100% accurate. But I think we are getting sidetracked; if you don't like the force(s) that Ben teaches, use your favorite. I am more amped about the 'catching' part of Catch!, but that is just me.

Sean
Message: Posted by: johndraws (Apr 22, 2009 06:23AM)
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On 2009-04-21 22:49, magicman4646 wrote:
You talk of this routine as if it's impromptu, when it's not. It's heavily gimmicked. Hence, the Luke Jermay quote does not apply.

The reason I mentioned the force is because it's easy and quite possible for the spectator to call you out on it. It's not a sure-fire force, but it's one of the main advertising points for CATCH!
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I said one of the 5 different versions is impromptu.
Message: Posted by: Mediocre the Great (May 1, 2009 02:47PM)
I purchased Catch because I'm looking for new effects for my stage act and I thought this would fill the bill. I've been studying the DVD and have not yet decided how I can use it, mainly because of wardrobe requirements.

Ben's DVD is top notch. He does a fantastic job explaining everything and goes into great detail. The production values are very high, good sound, lighting and menus. His crediting and historical info on the effect is very good. The effect is as advertised and is a real worker. You get everything you need to perform a very powerful and convincing trick. All the other discussion about forcing, etc is really not that relevant to me. Benís trick is solid and will entertain and amaze any audience.

For me, the biggest trade off is you must wear a jacket and keep wearing it, even after you perform the effect. There is also some restriction on movement prior to performing, or you may disturb the set up. I think it will work best if I open with it, or if I do it as a stand alone. I canít perform my usual opener while pre-set for Catch. Otherwise I love it.
Message: Posted by: david alan (May 12, 2009 05:24PM)
Hey Ben.... Great fourm here. saw the demo and love the effect. My question is this... I want to find a card "stab" or "catch" that I can use for family shows. I don't like knives or guns in my act. Can this effect be used with my card fountian? A deck switch would be no problem if necessary. I tried an effect years ago with "salad tongs", but the card appears in the tongs folded in quarters. Makes no sense. I love your effect. A jacket is no problem but sometimes when kids are present they will rush the stage after a card fountain so I like to do the fountain at the end. What are the problems with that? If you'd rather PM me, I'd love to discuss your effect. Just want to know if it will fit my needs.
Message: Posted by: No Show the Magician (May 21, 2009 09:27AM)
To all,

I've seen Ben do this live in a lecture here in Columbus, Ohio. In a word, it was "stunning". The catch was awesome. I had no clue how he did it and it just looked like pure skill.

Kudos Ben!! This one is a huge winner in my book!

Aaron
Message: Posted by: Cohiba (Mar 10, 2010 04:10PM)
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On 2009-05-01 15:47, Mediocre the Great wrote:
I purchased Catch because I'm looking for new effects for my stage act and I thought this would fill the bill. I've been studying the DVD and have not yet decided how I can use it, mainly because of wardrobe requirements.

Ben's DVD is top notch. He does a fantastic job explaining everything and goes into great detail. The production values are very high, good sound, lighting and menus. His crediting and historical info on the effect is very good. The effect is as advertised and is a real worker. You get everything you need to perform a very powerful and convincing trick. All the other discussion about forcing, etc is really not that relevant to me. Benís trick is solid and will entertain and amaze any audience.

For me, the biggest trade off is you must wear a jacket and keep wearing it, even after you perform the effect. There is also some restriction on movement prior to performing, or you may disturb the set up. I think it will work best if I open with it, or if I do it as a stand alone. I canít perform my usual opener while pre-set for Catch. Otherwise I love it.
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I love the looks of this effect, but am concerned about the fact that you say it's possible to "disturb the setup". I'm not looking for exposure, but are you saying that it would be risky to put it at the end of a standup routine? Would it be possible to "adjust" and make sure everything was ok on the fly (in front of the audience before you began the trick)? The preview shows that it can be done with a signed card; I would take this to mean that you must load "on the fly" to some extent. Thoughts?

P.S. I realize several versions are explained, but it appeared that the signed version was part of the "main" method being discussed. Or was this another example of tricky editing, where the signed version applies only to one of the impromptu methods?
Message: Posted by: john Graybeal (Sep 24, 2013 08:22AM)
Does the gimmick take up a lot of room? I have a lot of stuff going on under the sleeves of my jacket? don't want to run out of room:)

John