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Topic: Card At Any Number - Aronson
Message: Posted by: Daren (Apr 8, 2009 05:55AM)
So I have a mem deck and I would like someone to name any card out of 52. Say they name the jack of clubs (33) in aroson stack and I want to code to a friend of mine who is in on the trick the number 33. I have thought of a number of methods, by saying to the stooge you can name any number between 1-52 for eg 44 or 11 etc. As I say these two numbers the stooge takes one from the other and names 33. Is this a new method or are there any other methods out there to code a 2 digit number?
Message: Posted by: PaulGordon (Apr 8, 2009 06:07AM)
That's a VERY good way of coding. But, as a non-mem deck user - I don't know if its original or not.

Paul
Message: Posted by: The Amazing Noobini (Apr 8, 2009 07:18AM)
How about making friends with someone who also knows the Aronson stack? Then he would know what to say immediately, instead of relying on hints that may get very difficult to interpret for him? What will you do if a spectator says the Jack of Spades or King or Five of Clubs?

I think that a card at any number is a waste of the Open Index principle. It does suggest order of some kind because a specific numbered location is involved. And counting down to 33 is boring. It is! (You could go with spelling instead which makes for much shorter passages.)

Or better yet an effect like Two Beginnings. A spectator names a card and then another spectator touches any card freely, which turns out to be the card just mentioned. You don't need a stooge, the spectators are getting to do magic themselves and it can for instance suggest a magic connection between them or whatever new age esoteric energy cra... er... stuff that fits. :)

It's the perfect card trick!
Message: Posted by: Daren (Apr 8, 2009 07:29AM)
Well for 1, 2 or 3 I can say the same thing. Name a number between 1 and 52. For example 34, 36, that would code number 2 and so on. Not sure if this would work or not but just an idea I suppose
Message: Posted by: mattH (Apr 8, 2009 07:54AM)
Dear Noobini
where is Two beginnings from?
Message: Posted by: Mike Powers (Apr 8, 2009 08:15AM)
Let your friend be the star. You name the number.

Mike
Message: Posted by: Cain (Apr 8, 2009 08:29AM)
D: So I saw this car for sale and here's the [make, model, color, year, condition, mileage]. Do you think x$ sounds reasonable?
P: What's the hair color of the seller?
D: Um, light brown.
P: Ah, much better. I'm afraid I can't help you 'cause I don't know anything about cars.

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Noobini- Whatever the merits of an ACAAN trick, it's probably easier (and better) to find a stranger who can do subtraction, than bring along a friend who has memorized your stack. Probably.

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Daren: I'd be surprised if that method has not already appeared in print. One night I had come with something similar, though probably not as good: the confederate is instructed to subtract twelve from my example number. "Choose any number between 1-52, which means you can't pick 60, for example." (If you wanted 48). With either method, I think what's more important is how you choose to present it. If you can use committees for the selection of both card and number (your stooge would engineer the latter, probably by restricting spectators to mental dice rolls), then everyone can be a star.
Message: Posted by: The Amazing Noobini (Apr 8, 2009 12:15PM)
Two Beginnings can be found in Simon Aronson's book Try The Impossible (p.171), and also in volume 3 of his DVD series Sessions With Simon.

Darwin Ortiz has a nearly identical effect called Test Your Luck, which I know was in his 2007/2008 "Ephemeral" lecture notes. Don't know if it has been published in any of his more easily available books or DVDs.
Message: Posted by: KLG (Apr 9, 2009 06:21AM)
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On 2009-04-08 13:15, The Amazing Noobini wrote:

Darwin Ortiz has a nearly identical effect called Test Your Luck, which I know was in his 2007/2008 "Ephemeral" lecture notes. Don't know if it has been published in any of his more easily available books or DVDs.
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Test Your Luck is one of my favourite mem deck effects. IMO it's a lot stronger than any CAAN or ACAAN effects.
Message: Posted by: pattrick (Apr 9, 2009 07:38AM)
Why don't you just give him an index card he can look at when the card is chosen? Pattrick
Message: Posted by: korttihai_82 (Apr 9, 2009 10:00AM)
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On 2009-04-08 09:15, Mike Powers wrote:
Let your friend be the star. You name the number.

Mike
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Done this quite a lot at magic conventions... fun to see especially the youngsters following my friend and begging him to tell them how he did it :D

Juha-Matti
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Apr 9, 2009 12:16PM)
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On 2009-04-08 08:18, The Amazing Noobini wrote:

I think that a card at any number is a waste of the Open Index principle. It does suggest order of some kind because a specific numbered location is involved. And counting down to 33 is boring. It is! (You could go with spelling instead which makes for much shorter passages.)

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While ACAAN isn't my favorite effect with a mem deck, it's on the short list. You may be bored as a magician, but if your standard lay audience is bored, you've got some TOUGH crowds in Norway. H=Magician totally hands off, spectator dealing cards face up, audience counting...the chosen card isn't seen through 5, then 10, then 20, then 30 selections...31...32... If the performer is conscious and the audience didn't break into the Thorazine, that shouldn't be boredom; that should be heightened anticipation.
Message: Posted by: Steve Burton (Apr 9, 2009 12:31PM)
You might try using the card case as a cueing device. Divide the table into five areas and where you set the case down cues the first digit.

The case itself cues the second number with a face up case pointing to a five point "clock" face for numbers 0 through four and a face down case numbers 5 through nine.
Message: Posted by: Mike Powers (Apr 10, 2009 08:04AM)
Use a one way deck. Have your stooge name the card. Then anyone can name the number. Your stooge will be fooled too since s/he won't know how the card was at the proper number.

Mike
Message: Posted by: tommy (Apr 10, 2009 08:55AM)
On a public forum you admit you are prepared to use stooges!

What will the public think?
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Apr 10, 2009 09:24AM)
I teach a list of "card words," based on the Phonetic Alphabet, in all my books in which I teach how to remember cards. Whenever I'd be with Dai Vernon, even into his nineties, he'd always say, "Harry, do that **** impossible trick you do." I'd know what he meant. I'd ribbon spread the face-down, shuffled, deck and tell the spec. to pull out and remember any card. Vernon would make sure to see the card. Card returned, deck shuffled. Dai would make one remark and code the card to me. He was great at it. If he'd say, "There's no way in '****' he can know that card," I'd know it was the 5H. Or, laughingly, "I'll give you a 'dime' if you can name that card." (3D). HL.
Message: Posted by: Maestro (Apr 10, 2009 02:40PM)
[quote]
On 2009-04-10 10:24, Harry Lorayne wrote:
I teach a list of "card words," based on the Phonetic Alphabet, in all my books in which I teach how to remember cards. Whenever I'd be with Dai Vernon, even into his nineties, he'd always say, "Harry, do that **** impossible trick you do." I'd know what he meant. I'd ribbon spread the face-down, shuffled, deck and tell the spec. to pull out and remember any card. Vernon would make sure to see the card. Card returned, deck shuffled. Dai would make one remark and code the card to me. He was great at it. If he'd say, "There's no way in '****' he can know that card," I'd know it was the 5H. Or, laughingly, "I'll give you a 'dime' if you can name that card." (3D). HL.
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That's a really cool story, thanks :)
Message: Posted by: Mike Powers (Apr 10, 2009 03:00PM)
Tommy is right. This discussion really belongs in Secret Sessions out of public view. We are discussion methods etc.

Mike
Message: Posted by: Steven Youell (Apr 10, 2009 06:13PM)
[quote]
On 2009-04-10 10:24, Harry Lorayne wrote:
I teach a list of "card words," based on the Phonetic Alphabet, in all my books in which I teach how to remember cards. Whenever I'd be with Dai Vernon, even into his nineties, he'd always say, "Harry, do that **** impossible trick you do." I'd know what he meant. I'd ribbon spread the face-down, shuffled, deck and tell the spec. to pull out and remember any card. Vernon would make sure to see the card. Card returned, deck shuffled. Dai would make one remark and code the card to me. He was great at it. If he'd say, "There's no way in '****' he can know that card," I'd know it was the 5H. Or, laughingly, "I'll give you a 'dime' if you can name that card." (3D). HL.
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Vernon talked about that on the Revelations Videos. Remember the "Joker" bit?

SEY
Message: Posted by: tpratt38 (May 23, 2009 10:21PM)
MAke up your own memory code I can say one word and my friend knows the card immediately.

You can use all types of methods, I can't release this I'm putting out this method soon. Easy memory method.

TimZikk
Message: Posted by: JanForster (May 25, 2009 12:48PM)
The idea of Daren is already in print, see in Simon Aronson's "The Aronson Approach"... Jan
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Jun 6, 2009 05:40PM)
Being back home I would like to get more precise: the routine is called "Any card, then any number". Very clever constructed, as the entire procedure seems to cancel out the possibility using a stooge. Jan
Message: Posted by: hcs (Jun 8, 2009 06:36AM)
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On 2009-04-08 06:55, Daren wrote:
...by saying to the stooge you can name any number between 1-52 for eg 44 or 11 etc. As I say these two numbers the stooge takes one from the other and names 33....[/quote]
You can name only one number. The stooge adds or (takes) a fix number.
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Jun 8, 2009 07:08AM)
... yes, the stooge subtracts the mentioned number always from 53... Jan
Message: Posted by: drphil (Sep 5, 2009 11:13PM)
You don't need a stooge for a clean acaan,especialy if you know the aronson stack. The fact that you know the location of every card, is the begining of a awesome acaan. for the rest of the info read Meant to be by john b born,you will find tne easiest method on page 241. A form of this and my own works for me. But the book is a must read for anyone wanting to perform the acaan.
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (Sep 6, 2009 02:18AM)
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On 2009-04-08 13:15, The Amazing Noobini wrote:
Darwin Ortiz has a nearly identical effect called Test Your Luck, which I know was in his 2007/2008 "Ephemeral" lecture notes. Don't know if it has been published in any of his more easily available books or DVDs.
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[b]Darwin Ortiz Lecture DVD[/b] with the amazing effect "Test your Luck", superb effect:

Owe it: http://www.internationalmagic.com/ (use the search box)

This is strong card magic. If you have a memo stack in your mind this effect is easy. I have done Test your Luck several times and its a "worker" in real life.
If you test this effect you will put this one in your bag of tricks for sure.

From ad "Recorded in November 2007 - This DVD showcases a number of new routines from Darwin's professional repertoire. These routines appear on DVD for the very first time so you'll not find these in any of his groundbreaking books."
Trailer clip from DVD, this is not Test your Luck, however, you can get a feel for the dvd style: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRbpabufbRY
Message: Posted by: Gino M. (Sep 6, 2009 01:40PM)
A method I have used to cue the number to a confederate is to mention a year in my patter say 1933 the last two digits code the card (JC)...

"This trick was made famous in 1933 when Howard Cranston performed it at the World Magic Conference in Paris".

Danny Archer
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Sep 7, 2009 09:42AM)
Not bad, but Simon's method allows to do it with a confederate who has not to know
the stack. Jan