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Topic: Act Consulting- Joanie Spina, Jeff McBride OR..?
Message: Posted by: dove-boy (Apr 9, 2009 01:07AM)
Hi :)

Need a small advice here....in my acts, I have all the world class props, music, costume..etc BUT I lacked something important!

Guess I am a late bloomer, even though I knew about this problem way back in 2000 but I just disregard it :( My scoring sheets in International Magic Contest, the catagory areas on par with other performer...ONLY in this showmanship, presentation area in magic competition, I lose out.

Anyway I am still not too old; I need someone to consult on my acts professionally from beginning to end.

: 15mins Commercial silent act & 7 mins stage competition act, step by steps from staging, performance, choreography & showmanship.

E.G I will send the video of these acts to the person, they will consult EVERY single details of the above mentioned details, guiding EVERY move, when to smile, pose...hence I will follow 100% exactly the choreography…as the both acts are very short, hence should be not to difficult & not too long to master every single details.

Once this is fulfilling, hopefully this will be a world class act.

I have 2 people in mind to send the video to: Joanie Spina OR Jeff McBride ...but I am not too sure if the café member can advise who else can do this consulting & the best person for this job.

Cost is not a factor here.. as long as the person can consult a great act.

Thanks for the advice :)
Message: Posted by: chmara (Apr 14, 2009 09:51PM)
My feeling and experience has been that Jeff McBride is one who can develop an act of unique and powerful magic to world class in many genre's. Ask Rafael (of Belgium) who worked (and works) on his acts and props with Jeff and won the Golden Lion award.

I think Joanie is a great stage choreographer and has helped many -- but Jeff is a great taskmaster when it comes to theme development, timing and various magic AND other stage techniques that blend in to world recognition. His talent is well beyond his masks -- you might also check with Christian and Katalina who are world class mentalists and a duo act of straight magic. They had used several directors (even from NY) before they went to Jeff. And Christian is NOY easy to impress (he started magic after retiring from another career -- and has been on the road since -- now looking to buy his own theater so he can stop traveling sooooo much.

And -- even though I remain relatively unknown - Jeff is the one who inspired me to go full time -- and I have enjoy4ed every minute of it -- until I became ill and had to start selling props. Now I need to go back to hom with my mentalism ideas and see if he and Eugene can smooth me out and psych me up........to get my seance open down here in Arizona,
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Apr 15, 2009 06:48AM)
I would also add Bob Fitch to the mix of this discussion. Bob has helped many of the top pros polish and refine their act. He has given me some very valuable advice on my own act.

I guess it boils down to what you want to do with your act. If you want to win Magic contests, Jeff is probably the way to go. Though I must admit there might be a backlash from so many people using Jeff for consultation. It was the same when a lot of guys went to Neil Foster. A lot of the acts started to look the same. That can work against you. It no fault of Jeff but simply a reality. We all have our strengths and tendencies.

I guess I have mixed emotions about this whole contest thing. It is great but an act is only as good as the next job. You will never make money working magic conventions.

Message: Posted by: Colin Uk (Apr 16, 2009 01:58AM)
Hi dove-boy

Have you thought about getting both people to help you?

Message: Posted by: Oliver Ross (Apr 16, 2009 02:45AM)
Could somebody tell me, what's the cost for this type of consulting ? I know the price for a consulting by Joanie Spina, but what about Jeff McBride and Bob Fitch ?


Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Apr 16, 2009 09:35PM)
It is based on what you want them to do. Simply write them and ask what kind of services they could provide you.

I think the Bob is mainly do reviews by video now but does a few in person interviews.

Again, I would simply write and ask them.

Also the idea of having both work on the act is a good one. I have had at least 8 different people that have made some major contributions to my act. That is not counting all the other ideas guys have given me.

Remember, the bottom line is you will have to decide what to do and keep. Unless you want to learn magic by the numbers.

Message: Posted by: Oliver Ross (Apr 17, 2009 02:19AM)
Thanks Richard,

Collin your advice isn't bad at all and Richard explaines in an excellent way why.

Message: Posted by: Kent Wong (Apr 19, 2009 08:16PM)
Having attended Jeff's Master Classes, He would be the FIRST CHOICE for me to act as a consultant. Call him and discuss your thoughts and needs. He has helped many students via the internet and in person.

Message: Posted by: ChrisPilsworth (Apr 21, 2009 09:31PM)
Bob Fitch would be a great choice to help you improve your acts. I've participated in Bob's camps on 4 different occasions and also hired him to direct a magic play that I produced.

Bob's strength lies in the fact that he will help you become a better performer not by dictating what you should do, but through helping you discover who you are and how best to present yourself. Problematic areas are identified and then solutions are created. He teaches a methodology so that you can use the techniques later on to help yourself improve. This approach ensures that you will not be a carbon copy of someone else.

Bob is a very caring and warm individual. His experience in theatre is unsurpassed and not many people can bring that to the mix. Working with Bob would be money well spent.

You may also consider taking his course which will happen in August this year. You would get the benefit of working on your act and also learning plenty about showmanship, stage presence and acting.

Best of luck in your pursuit.



Message: Posted by: socalmagic (May 3, 2009 11:02PM)
Attend Bob Fitch's MagicCamp this summer. I believe it's $2,500 for a week including accommodations and meals. After I went, I hired him to direct my show. It took 3 days to fine tune a 90 minute show. Bob coached Jeff McBride.
Message: Posted by: Oliver Ross (May 4, 2009 02:56AM)
After a long thought and watchning Joanie's video tapes again : Here's the anwswer !

Get both of them. Joanie Spina for everything concerning corporal expression and dancing on stage during the act and Bob Fitch as the final director afterwards.

Like this you'll use each one for his specific experience.

What do you think ?

Message: Posted by: Carlos Hampton (May 4, 2009 04:56AM)
Depending in your act I will highly consider Avner the Eccentric. I saw his lecture in Spain not to long ago and I was really impressed on how he manages everything on stage. His timing, control over silence and everthing on stage was superb. I know he conducts a couple of seminars through the year.
Message: Posted by: deputata (Jun 20, 2009 11:27AM)
Well,there is always Tony Clark.He offers this kind of consultation.
Message: Posted by: Eldon (Jun 20, 2009 01:30PM)
I know some people that have used Tony Clark in the past and were very pleased. One of them is a member of the Café and post from time to time. His name is Tony Dowell but I don't know his user name. Tony are you out there?
Message: Posted by: Bernie Balloons (Jun 21, 2009 01:54AM)
I would go with Jeff McBride He has to be one of the nicest people I ever met and he knows his stuff He could really put you on track
Message: Posted by: aussiemagic (Jun 23, 2009 05:14AM)
Did you decide on someone? Please let us know how it goes.
Message: Posted by: Matthew W (Jun 23, 2009 11:45AM)
I believe that Peter White and Tony Spina do consulting.
Message: Posted by: scintnl (Jul 10, 2009 10:25AM)
John Pyka also offers consulting
Message: Posted by: CMMAGIC (Oct 6, 2009 04:20AM)
$3500 for McBride for 2 Days

Gary Darwin , Johnny Thompson : These are 2 guys whom know much about the ART and probably a lot less expensive .
Message: Posted by: John Iacono (Oct 6, 2009 10:24PM)
Hi Dove Boy
Have you ever taken acting lessons?
Message: Posted by: Christopher Starr (Oct 21, 2009 07:35PM)
On 2009-10-06 05:20, CMMAGIC wrote:
$3500 for McBride for 2 Days

Gary Darwin , Johnny Thompson : These are 2 guys whom know much about the ART and probably a lot less expensive .

I wondered how much it cost. Maybe my Mom will send me for my birthday. :P
Message: Posted by: Alikzam (Oct 22, 2009 03:20AM)
I've attended a Master Class with Jeff McBride, Eugene Burger, and Tobias and it was worth it. I've worked with Joanie Spina twice; once she did a DVD critique, and once doing an in person coaching session.

Every dollar spent on getting honest helpful feedback was well worth it. They all provide a very different style of magic that you can learn from.
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Oct 22, 2009 04:37AM)
Jeff McBide's DVDs are great for informations and technique, his on-the-road classes are also goo.

Joania Spina DVDs are equally good, however they are focused on style more then technique. Line, and Form and performance style.

Both would be the ideal teachers.
Message: Posted by: PARKERSWANN (Jan 21, 2010 06:35AM)
On 2009-06-23 12:45, Matthew W wrote:
I believe that Peter White and Tony Spina do consulting.
Definitely Tony Spina, and Jimmy Ray , If you need contact on these two reply. They are a must ! I am sure Tony Reads this ,he is also on FB. Jimmy who did cruises for years w/doves is in Rhode island, not too well, but can be reached through Al Lloyd in Pa. All the best Dove boy
Message: Posted by: John T. Sheets (Jan 28, 2010 03:53AM)
David Charvet, Joania Spina, Bob Fitch, Ice McDonald, Tony Clark, and Jeff McBride are all very knowledgeable and friendly people. I would recommend any of them.
Message: Posted by: Ms. Morgan (Jan 28, 2010 06:58PM)
I also consult. I'm not as high profile as Joania or Jeff but I'm a trained theatrical director with over 100 major productions to my credit.

That's enough shameless self promotion for now...:)

Message: Posted by: JimmyH (Feb 6, 2010 07:40PM)
On 2009-04-16 02:58, Colin Uk wrote:
Hi dove-boy

Have you thought about getting both people to help you?


If cost is not a concern, then with both of them and as many people as possible that you trust (non magic folk) to watch and critique...its interesting to hear what a nonmagician has to say.
Message: Posted by: Comedy Writer (Feb 17, 2010 10:36AM)
Jeff, Joanie or Bob - All top notch pros. A good director/ consultant will take your act to the next level.
Well worth the investment.

Kudos to you

Comedy writer