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Topic: Best 3 ball trick to learn after cascade.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Apr 29, 2009 12:45PM)
IM sure this has been covered many, many times before, but please indulge me. I have juggled on and off for some time now, but have decided to give it my "all". I have the cascade down pretty well, and I was wondering what is a good second 3 ball trick to learn? Tennis?


Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Apr 29, 2009 02:21PM)
"The complete juggler" by Dave Finnigan. You can buy it at ebay for around $5.

A visit to a jugglers club is a crash course in juggling and it is for free.
Message: Posted by: Rotten (Apr 29, 2009 03:00PM)
I agree with Al. The complete juggler was in my bag for a few years when I was learning. It covers pretty much everything a learner needs.

A good, easy one to work on next is reverse cascade. It will help you get more control. 2 in each hand is another great one to improve your skills. I think my first trick was under the leg. Pretty easy but it won't help you get better really. Just looks flashy.
Message: Posted by: One Man (Apr 29, 2009 05:01PM)
All sound advice...my 2 cents. Work on solidifying your 3 ball cascade...juggling high and slow, low and fast, make the pattern as wide as you can. Have a solid cascade will help in learning other tricks as well.

The Complete Juggler is a must have. And you might even find it at your local library.

Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Apr 29, 2009 07:02PM)
Thanks for all the tips. Al, you where so much help in the begging. I'm just starting to get that "bug" again.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Apr 29, 2009 11:13PM)
How does " the complete juggler" (finnigan) compare to "joy of juggling" (finnigan)?
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Apr 30, 2009 06:54AM)
One book Dave did in the 1980's, and the other book Dave did in the 1990's with two of his kids (Benjamin, & Dorothy). They both cover the same material.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Apr 30, 2009 03:02PM)
So no use in getting "complete juggler" until I have "mastered" the "joy of juggling"? I understand the "complete.." is 500 pages +

Thanks again
Message: Posted by: Comedy Writer (Apr 30, 2009 05:03PM)
Yes. And look into getting some juggling DVD's - lots of inspiration
Message: Posted by: Rotten (May 2, 2009 08:33AM)
You don't have to "master" anything to get the complete juggler. It covers everything and will help you keep the bug. Inspiration is worth way more than the price of the book. It will keep you busy for a long time.

My copy now sits on my book shelf but is extremely worn. I occasionally still refer to it. So much info. It was my jugglers bible for so many years.

The internet has a bounty of videos to learn from but when you are playing, I hate the word practice, it's easier to flip through a book, especially if your in a park or your yard.

Message: Posted by: DanielCoyne (May 3, 2009 10:58PM)
While I have Dave Finnigan's "The Complete Juggler," I usually recommend "Juggling for the Complete Klutz." It's a good book, with good illustrations and the three bean bags are decent props for a beginner. I actually bought two sets so I could work on 4 and 5 balls.

As a second trick after working on the cascade, I recommend throwing one over the top. (The first step towards juggler's tennis or a half-shower.)

Message: Posted by: kcg5 (May 3, 2009 11:44PM)
Thanks daniel, I actually started with the "klutz" book, good book for beginners- it set me on my way. I am trying to master a ball over the top, and working on the 2 ball fountain... Throwing that second ball (if holding 3) is rough!!
Message: Posted by: fingerflinger (Oct 24, 2015 01:48PM)
One ball over the top, half shower, reverse cascade, and full shower, were some of my first 3 ball tricks, along with 2 balls in one hand in columns. This opens the door to all the variations that incorporate juggling 2 balls in one hand, and eventually juggling 4 balls.
Message: Posted by: MagicJuggler (Dec 15, 2015 12:52PM)
I cannot second the Complete Juggler enough. That is enough to not only get you started but it will expose you to a variety of juggling props you may have not considered before. It was how I got started with devil sticks and diabolos.
Message: Posted by: DanielSimu (Dec 18, 2015 08:35PM)
Haha, I realise this is an old topic but the advice given here is so typical of magicians: Rather than just giving a couple of tricks, recommending a couple of books!
Message: Posted by: thomhaha (Jan 6, 2016 08:25PM)
I suggest working on reverse cascade AND alternating height / width. In combination, those are the basis for so many three-ball tricks.
Message: Posted by: bbeishline (Mar 28, 2016 02:27PM)
I have to second (or third) the overthrow. Once you get the cascade down pretty good, the next step is learning to break out of it, which can be hard at first as your brain is so locked into that cascade pattern. Learning the overthrow will start you down that road. Start with just an occasional overthrow from your cascade pattern, and of course learn both hands. This will then lead into things like tennis and the reverse cascade. Arches is another interesting one that uses overthrows at different heights.

Also start working on snatches, as they are components of lots of other tricks. Once you get comfortable with breaking out of a cascade you can learn most 3 ball tricks with a little practice.

For books I also really love The Encyclopedia of Ball Juggling and am surprised it hasn't been mentioned.

Message: Posted by: carlyle (Mar 30, 2016 01:49PM)
Though the topic is pretty old, I enjoyed reading through it and love three ball tricks. I agree, the over-the-tops throws are a good next step - they lead to lots of nice tricks (like tennis and the half-shower). And the reverse cascade is always something fun to practice (fun to try and make it wide and low, keeps your hands busy). Under-the-arm throws are useful too - something like the windmill is a pretty trick and nice to do (and kind of halfway to Mill's Mess).

Two-in-one hand is also an obvious step - lots of fun and very useful.

And I agree - Charlie Dancey's "Encyclopaedia of Ball Juggling" is great, my favourite. The TWJC website is also fantastic - lots of tricks and well written.