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Topic: Mindcontrol-book D.B
Message: Posted by: brainman (Mar 22, 2002 01:54AM)
On his homepage he writes:

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...Derren is currently planning a book for the general public relating to his 'Mind Control' techniques. Until that is released, the only products available are in-house items designed for working magicians which relate to Derren's previous work as a conjuror. They do not deal with items from his TV specials, nor do they set out his techniques used there. Instead, he offers magicians a book on the performance and presentation of magic and a video of card routines.

These works presume a good working knowledge of magic and will make no sense to the general public. If you are interested in being kept up to date on the future book which will deal with mind-control, please email Derren's management or keep an eye on the 'News Updates' page.

These products are available ONLY from Derren - they are not in stores.

Because of the protected nature of the magical press, the following questions must be answered correctly to proceed to viewing the items.

>What is the name given to the card move where two cards are turned and displayed as one?

>What is the name of the routine where one card repeatedly jumps from the middle to the top of the deck?

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What do you think?

Will he be the next one who exposes VERY fine thinking in Menatl Magic (although he has very good routines, and although he is a very good performer...)

WHY does he think about writing a book on Mindcontrol (will he REALLY explain "his" feats)...Force, Decks, Mind-Power, One-ahead, and and and...everything "forced" again to the public as a result of their nosiness concerning his specials, or does money speak?

Or will it contain just pictures and insights of his thinking, during and after the specials, or something like that?

Also the 2 questions asked on his homepage to get his released products are too easy - in comparison to the high potential material he offers in his video and his book.

Friends of good coffee:

Am I too anxious about loosing the myth of mental magic, as he did really bring it back into "warm" daylight, ...?

What do you think.

Is Derren drinking coffee with us?

Cheers,

phanthomas
Message: Posted by: p.b.jones (Mar 22, 2002 02:11AM)
HI,
It will likely Just be a self help book or a book about Esp. hypnosis ext.
I do not think it is going to contain any exposure as such. It's just a make some money thing. Al Koran did a non magician book "bring out the magic in your mind" (I think)
I would not worry
Phillip
Message: Posted by: Ken (Mar 22, 2002 02:50AM)
Come on Phanthomas read the text! The key phrase here is "for the general public" or maybe you think Derren is thinking about buying a mask.

Best wishes
Ken
Message: Posted by: berseus (Mar 22, 2002 06:34AM)
I don't think a successful performer (especially not with a great future ahead of him like Mr Brown) would have anything to earn from exposure. I also think all sucessful performers realize this.

Those who might (might) earn from exposure are the people who can't cut it as entertainers.

/ Karl
Message: Posted by: MatthewBlackwell (Mar 22, 2002 11:55AM)
I strongly suspect that, if for the general public, it will be a book version of his Channel Four website: http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/M/mindcontrol/

This site gives some explanation involving psychological card forces, but also a fair bit of unworkable fluff; NLP, body language etc which most magicians/mentalists make very limited use of.

Think about it. If he hasn't told magicians how it's done - he's not going to tell the general public is he? :nod:

Cheers,

Matthew Blackwell
Message: Posted by: Paul (Mar 22, 2002 12:53PM)
Nothing to worry about, people like Koran put out books on the "power" of the mind which were really no more than positive thinking books. Just a money earner, may make more than the limited magic market, but may also sink like a stone and be found in remainder stores. Worth a try, strike while the iron is hot.

If he was smart, he'd turn it into a book test too, but not let the lay people know about that lol.

Paul Hallas.
Message: Posted by: Ian Rowland (Mar 22, 2002 12:56PM)
It won't contain any harmful exposures. Most probably, it will be a trot through some of the usual mind-training and communication techniques which are already in print, and which enjoy varying levels of credibility and respectability, lightly re-heated over a knowing flame and served up to a hungry (and trusting) public with lashings of DB relish.

Koran's book was indeed called "Bring Out The Magic In your Mind" and was basically a primer on positive thinking and positive attitudes, littered with references to Koran's mentalism effects, as if the two were connected in some way. Kreskin did something similar, and so did Fogel in his time. It's an honourable tradition. Well, it's a tradition, any way.
Message: Posted by: saglaser (Mar 22, 2002 06:27PM)
I could be wrong, but I remember getting the impression from somewhere, that Derren's book would deal with how techniques to influence thinking are used by advertisers, politicians, etc. and how to be aware of them as an aid to critical thinking. I have no idea where that impression came from. Did anybody else pick that idea up or did Derren just psychically beam it into my head? ;)
Message: Posted by: Lee Marelli (Mar 22, 2002 11:06PM)
I agree with Paul and Ian. Its a way to make a buck or a pound in Brown's case. Kreskin recently put out a book which among other things, purportedly described a major prediction that had come to pass. Had a quick impact then faded; however, you have to have things to sell in the lobby. Since Derren Brown is being groomed to be the next coming of Dunninger, he will need things to sell in the lobby.
Message: Posted by: Ray Eldard (Mar 23, 2002 07:26AM)
I would be shocked if Derren exposed anything of note, and I'm sure Ian is dead on about what the content will be, but I have to add that I was very surprised to see Derren teaching the verbal card force from his book and video on the Mind Control web site.

Of course, I may be speaking less from righteous indignation and more from the fact I paid good money for both the video and the book when I could have learned the card force for free.

Still, I think both his books and the video are worth every penny.
Message: Posted by: Julien (Mar 23, 2002 02:04PM)
Well, perhaps he doesn't actually use this system, and perhaps much like he says (in his tv shows that) he uses only psychological techniques to explain his feats, he may have said in his book/video that this was the force he uses when in fact he uses other methods...

But then again, maybe he actually can control minds, and maybe this force actually works as well as he says and so on.

In the end of the day, the effect matters, right? And you should try to develop your own systems...