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Topic: Loop Holders
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (May 10, 2009 10:00PM)
I use wire for my dove harnesses. I also wear a dove vest. I do not use a loop holder. But too many times the wire fell lose of being curled around my jacket while being away from my vest. I think it is about time I start using a loop holder to make it more secure. I understand we discussed that before in the past. But now I am looking for an update on who makes the best loop holder.
Message: Posted by: Alexo (May 10, 2009 10:16PM)
The best ones I've seen are Dan Sperry's and General Grants. They both give a secure placement but I think I prefer Sperry's
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (May 10, 2009 10:28PM)
Welcome to The Magic Café, Alexo. We are sure you will enjoy it here.

I never seen Dan's before. I might try his if no one recommends any more.
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (May 11, 2009 10:13AM)
Mike, Dan's loop holders will work with both monofilament and wire loops. They hold the loop securely in whatever position you want.

Peter White from P&A silks makes a loop holder designed specifically for wire loops. I use Peter's for wire loops and Dan's for monofilament.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (May 12, 2009 06:02PM)
I want to order Dan's Loop Holders at http://www.anti-conjuror.com/ But I do not see an "Add To Cart" for any of the items. Does anyone else see "Add To Cart" for any of his items?
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (May 12, 2009 07:39PM)
Mike, look in the lower right corner of each item. It says "add to cart" At the top left of the page is says "view Cart"
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (May 12, 2009 07:55PM)
No problem. Dan told me my (security) system must be set wrong. It is probably something dealing with my Firewall. Dan sent me a window giving me a shortcut. All clear.
Message: Posted by: tropicalillusions (May 14, 2009 06:08PM)
Dyna mike, If you are using a dove vest, even the loop holders may not help your situation. If your jacket moves seperately from the vest, it may pullit from the holder, Your vest hugs to your body, as your jacket may be free moving with your movements of your body, so if you were to extend an arm per say, your vest will stay with your body as your jacket pulls away, and this may dislodge your loop from the holder, PM me and I think we can work it out by adjusting your vest to move with your jacket.
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (May 14, 2009 06:30PM)
If you use Peter White's holders, the loop cannot become dislodged. Dan's holder's are good but not as secure when using wire.
Message: Posted by: Regan (May 15, 2009 08:34AM)
Thanks for this info guys!
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (May 15, 2009 10:06AM)
Once again, experiment with bobby pins and a pair of needle nosed pliers. You may like what you learn!

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander

PS --- I leave explaining what you are doing to your wife up to you! Good Luck!
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (May 15, 2009 12:42PM)
Oh, Bob, you just reminded me of something. In my box of dove items I have hair roll clips. Cut about a centimeter slit in the inside of the jacket. Slide the hair roll clip upwards in the slit (one metal piece in the slit the other piece out the slit). Attach the wire/line to the outside metal. Pull the dove out upwards so she will not get stuck in the hair roll clip.

All this time, (about two years ago) I forgot about that idea since I came back to post on the Café.

Why me? :)
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (May 15, 2009 03:09PM)
Mike, have you seen General Grants DVD? This is how he suggests holding your loop in place. Maybe that's where you heard about it.
Message: Posted by: RJE (May 15, 2009 04:47PM)
I use small pieces of scotch tape. One piece for each loop just inside of my jacket. They're never seen and they've never failed me. I have used it with both fishing line and metal loops.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (May 18, 2009 08:46AM)
Yep, Dave, you are right. Now I remember seeing it on his DVD. I do not know how I forgot about trying them for two years. That is something I will try and practice with this week.

RJE, I heard about that technique from another professional in this forum. In my mind I am afraid of the tape coming lose because I use a dove vest putting more pressure on the tape.
Message: Posted by: Regan (May 19, 2009 08:43AM)
It sounds like Peter White's loop holders and Dan Sperry's loop holders are similar, and very popular. Can you still purchase Peter's?

Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (May 19, 2009 11:09AM)
Regan, yes you can. He doesn't list them on his website but if you call him, he'll quote you the price. As I've mentioned previously, Peter's loop holders only work with wire loops. Dan's work with both wire and monofilament. In my opinion, if you are using wire loops, Peter's holders are better but both are ok.
Message: Posted by: Regan (May 19, 2009 04:26PM)
Thanks Dave. I have not made up my mind yet as to wire or monofilament. I bought some of Andy's wire, but I am still in the infancy of my dove magic, so I am not certain yet. Knowing that Peter's work better with wire is great to know. Thanks!

Message: Posted by: g0thike (May 20, 2009 08:41PM)

You can actually just bend the wire loops over the lapel and jacket.

Been doing that for years.

Message: Posted by: Regan (May 21, 2009 04:27AM)
Thanks. I'm getting ready to experiment.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (May 21, 2009 09:24AM)
...and invest.
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (May 21, 2009 10:59AM)
On 2009-05-20 21:41, g0thike wrote:

You can actually just bend the wire loops over the lapel and jacket.

Been doing that for years.


That's true and it works quite well unless you move around a lot. At a closer range, the bent loop does tend to be noticeable as a crimp in your jacket. Using Peter's or Dan's loop holders eliminates the possibility of the loop coming off the lapel. I dress in a black shirt and with Peter's and Dan's holders, I don't even need to bend the loop. It just comes out from under the jacket and sits where I want it, no matter how much I move around.