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Topic: Is it acceptable?
Message: Posted by: ogami_itto (May 26, 2009 01:53PM)
Hi all

Just had a though regarding my postion in magic. Let me explain.

I absolutely adore watching are learning from all the hugely skilled magicians out there, but I am not a performer in any sense of the word. The things that I learn in the main are well beyond my skill and confidence to perform other than the occasional trick for friends etc. I love playing with my cards but my fingers will never be nible enough to carry out the amazing things that I have seen! lol

My question is, is it acceptable in the magic community to be a non-performing but enthusiastic `magician'?


Message: Posted by: DomKabala (May 26, 2009 02:22PM)

Dom :) ;)
Message: Posted by: jimhlou (May 26, 2009 03:29PM)
Why not?

Message: Posted by: HMAC (May 26, 2009 03:35PM)
Anyway, we all had to start this way, no ?
Message: Posted by: nattefrost (May 26, 2009 03:53PM)
Of course! There's no "rules" on that stuff!
Message: Posted by: Gweedo (May 26, 2009 08:00PM)
Do you have to be an artist to appreciate great art?
a mechanic to drive a car?
a parachutist to fly a airplane?..........well maybe that last one.
Message: Posted by: Double O Magic (May 26, 2009 08:03PM)
Of course! My first gig is on Friday but I still consider myself a magician because I have knowledge of the art. So basically, if you practice the art, you are a magician. Hope that helps your philosophical thoughts on this subject ;-)
Message: Posted by: abc (May 26, 2009 10:50PM)
I am sure there are many people (magicians) out there who learnt a trick and went right out there and performed it. I am sure there are also many who took a long time to perform.
I am a language teacher and when students learn a new language, a lot of them go through what we call the "silent period". They understand the language well enough depending on what they have been taught and what they have acquired but they don't speak. Then all of a sudden they develop the confidence, the language comes to them and they start speaking like they have been doing it for months.
I am sure you are just going through a silent period.
The wrong thing to do with a student is to force them to speak. All the same the wrong thing to do would be to force you to perform until you are ready.
Message: Posted by: Irfaan Kahan (May 27, 2009 12:12AM)
There's still TONS of stuff I can't do yet.
Message: Posted by: olaf911 (May 27, 2009 05:18AM)
So many times I thought I would never be able to perform this or that. Anyway, I still practiced this stuff, because I love to. In the long run practice led to confidence, and confidence led to performance.

Who knows where you will be ending?

I think you do better by withholding when not yet ready than many performers who lack practice. Be welcome to the magic community!
Message: Posted by: ogami_itto (May 27, 2009 06:06AM)
Thankyou so much everyone. Your thoughts are very much appreciated :)

I will now end my (very) extended lurking period and get more involved!
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mystoffelees (May 27, 2009 08:25AM)
Some months back, there was a thread about practicing like crazy with no intent to perform. It was loaded with responses of magi who worked hard on their magic, but had no plans to perform. Who knows, you might be the next Nick Trost, branching into inventing new tricks...
Message: Posted by: Mysterious (Jun 3, 2009 11:04PM)
Idol hands are the devils playground.
We all need hobbies, most magicians never perform for a wage in front of an audience of strangers.

But if you give performing a shot you will get addicted.
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Jun 4, 2009 08:52AM)
How is this different from singing in the shower?

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: The Amazing Noobini (Jun 4, 2009 10:49AM)
That's "idle hands", I believe. Unless you have a suspiciously large collection of gloves, nail polish bottles and a small hidden altar in your basement with photos of hands all over it. Which would be fine too, don't get me wrong. ;)

Very interesting about that "silent period" for language students. I have recently come out from exactly that myself, I just never knew it was a common phenomenon. Of all Spanish students atound me, it seemed to happen only to me. Thanks! This could be good news for us magicians with little performance experience and confidence. Perhaps there is hope!

As for dexterity, I started with magic at age 38 and although I will never do XCM, I have to my surprise reached what I think is a fairly decent skill level with things you actually need in magic, such as false shuffles and cuts. It just takes me longer probably to learn certain things than for a teenager.

When things go slow I try to tell myself: "it's not a contest". No matter how slow it goes, you will always be better at magic than your laymen spectators.
Message: Posted by: Mysterious (Jun 4, 2009 03:54PM)
On 2009-06-04 11:49, The Amazing Noobini wrote:
Of all Spanish students atound me, it seemed to happen only to me.

That’s funny they “ATOUND” me too, oops I meant to say Astound!
Please forgive me my brain must have been idle.
Message: Posted by: jjduck (Jun 4, 2009 04:02PM)

Magic starts with watching and learning. As you learn you will start looking for an audience to show and before you know it, you will be performing. Don't rush the process. Just let it happen.

Keep watching, learning and practicing. The rewards are great my friend.

Best Magical Wishes,
Message: Posted by: jjduck (Jun 4, 2009 04:09PM)
You did it again!

I think that was supposed to be "around" but I may be wrong as well...:lol:
Message: Posted by: Mysterious (Jun 4, 2009 04:58PM)
On 2009-06-04 17:09, jjduck wrote:
You did it again!

I think that was supposed to be "around" but I may be wrong as well...:lol:

What would I do without you guy’s?
I think it might be time for me to find a new hobby and get back to performing magic!
Message: Posted by: jjduck (Jun 4, 2009 05:27PM)
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

Sorry I got a little off track... but I couldn't help myself..
Message: Posted by: The Amazing Noobini (Jun 5, 2009 03:59AM)
On 2009-06-04 16:54, Mysterious wrote:

That’s funny they “ATOUND” me too, oops I meant to say Astound!
Please forgive me my brain must have been idle.

:D I so asked for that one! lol
Message: Posted by: Ronald72 (Jun 8, 2009 08:05AM)

Be welcom! We all start out that way. Maybe someday you experience and find your way in performing for audience. The secret is that there are many performance styles so do not look suprise if you do find your style someday.

Be welcome!

My best,
Message: Posted by: funsway (Jun 9, 2009 05:59AM)
"Way back when" in my first Magic Circle everyone had to perform at every meeting. This did not mean having to "do a trick" -- you could tell a story about how watching magic has changed your life, or give a report on a convention, or give performs a appraisal for a "lay person's" point of view. Being a good spectator is a valuable service, and youe enthusiasm will encourage others to pu tin the practice they should. the key is to be serious about your love for magic -- how you do that is secondary.
Message: Posted by: ogami_itto (Jun 9, 2009 06:13AM)
Thanks again everyone!

Its certainly comforting to know I am not the only non-performer (by a long way by the sound of it!) who loves to watch and learn magic.

And you are right that even if I don't perform I can still contribute valid opinions and thoughts to discussions. Thanks for helping me realise that!