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Topic: Silk to egg
Message: Posted by: wjtaylor (Jun 2, 2009 08:33PM)
I am a newbie and this was recommended to me by a store owner. I travel for work, so I thought it would be good for practice. I tell you, I'm having a hard time in the handling; getting the egg from one hand to the other is much harder than I originally thought. If anyone has any tips, I would be very grateful for a PM. If anyone has a reference to help me with this one, that would also be good.


Thanks,
WT
Message: Posted by: Father Photius (Jun 2, 2009 09:37PM)
PM Bob Sanders , our resident guru on silk to egg, he can give you a few pointers. Also check out the "Smooth as Silk" forum where this type of effect is discussed.
Message: Posted by: elgranmago (Jun 6, 2009 03:27AM)
Let me suggest that you have a look at Whit Haydn on You Tube. This helped me considerably in understanding the mechanics of the effect and I hope it helps you, assuming you know what the audience doesn't have to know.

This knowledge and Bob Sanders' excellent fake eggs have helped me along.

Good luck.
Message: Posted by: marty.sasaki (Jun 6, 2009 12:27PM)
The handling doesn't have to be perfect either. It's one of those things where you can get away with quite a lot. I've recently seen someone who used a white gimmick and swapped it for a brown egg, no one in the audience noticed, or if they did, they were extremely polite (unlikely). I'm not saying you shouldn't do the best you can, but don't obsess over things. Work on the overall presentation.
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Jun 6, 2009 09:36PM)
WT,

Silk to Egg instructions Rice and Tarbell

The Rice Encyclopedia has a whole section on this in Volume 3, Chapter 21. And Lesson 19 in Tarbell Volume 1 is another chapter with good instructions on the regular Silk to Egg.

Give these a try.

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: Whit Haydn (Jun 7, 2009 04:14PM)
My routine is the "Rice's Sucker Silk To Egg" from the volume Bob Sanders recommended. I would listen to anything Bob has to say on the effect.

It can be seen here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5135678836890976103
Message: Posted by: Andrew Zuber (Jun 16, 2009 07:52PM)
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On 2009-06-07 17:14, Whit Haydn wrote:
My routine is the "Rice's Sucker Silk T0 Egg" from the volume Bob Sanders recommended. I would listen to anything Bob has to say on the effect.

It can be seen here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5135678836890976103
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Enjoyed the video! It's nice to see a whole act from the castle up somewhere rather than just short clips.
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Jun 18, 2009 10:38PM)
It's great to see Whit Haydn work anywhere, anytime.

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: Hansel (Jun 22, 2009 02:45AM)
Silk to Egg trick it's a piece of magic that values the Time that you spend practicing, studying it etc. I use it in my show since 2000 and it's hard to beat it.
Good Luck,
Hansel!
Message: Posted by: Darth Ewok (Jun 23, 2009 10:52PM)
Whit is my favorite magician. I love his style and subtle (and not so subtle) comedy. thanks for posting the video link Whit, I had not seen that one yet.
Message: Posted by: bkp007 (Jun 23, 2009 11:26PM)
Whit's routine is inspirational.
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Jun 27, 2009 07:45AM)
Whit is entertainment to start with. We are lucky that he chose magic as his vehicle.

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: Floyd Collins (Jun 28, 2009 09:10PM)
Steve Dacri has a great handling for the Silk to Egg and does it with a helper on stage.
Matt Fore has one he calls the invisible switch.

There are many methods for this effect, finding the handling that best suits you and your style is the important part.
I tend to like Steve method it is so simple and yet just as effective. If I am wearing a jacket I would do Matt switch.

Whit video shows how entertaining this classic can be with the right scripting.
Message: Posted by: funsway (Jun 29, 2009 03:54AM)
Rather than just breaking an egg in a glass, I usually switch the Silidor Egg for a foam one and do some other effects -- even a Chop Cup routine,or a Zombie type routine. I have also just vanished the egg, then done Egg on Fan followed by changing the egg back into a silk.

Don't just follow the instruction that came in the box! or try and copy someone else's approach. All those are sources of ideas -- the magic must come from you.
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Jun 29, 2009 07:19AM)
It is also an opportunity to slide into your egg bag routine.

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: Glen (Jun 30, 2009 04:02PM)
I would recommend Mike Ammars lecture notes on silk to egg. I use his switching method and this trick gets tremendous reactions.

Also, not too sure of this Bob Sanders guy, looks a little shady.........
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Jul 1, 2009 08:14AM)
Glen,

What if he went around putting grafitti on motor cycles? Combine them for a new art form: HD Eggs!

Do you offer Egg Leathers? Certainly you could offer Egg Tattoos.

Have fun!

Bob

PS --- I'm in the Dealer Room at the IBM Convention in Nashville this week. Are you here? Come see me. They let people in who go to SCAM.
Message: Posted by: Glen (Jul 1, 2009 08:31AM)
Yee Haaaa,......luv you too Bob!!!!!!!

Back to silk to egg, they make a gaffed egg for the trick, but learn the switch, it's the real magic!!!!!
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Jul 1, 2009 01:27PM)
Agreed! This trick is based upon an appearance and a transposition. Parts and parts are not the essence of the trick.

Bob Sanders
Magic by Sander
Message: Posted by: Glen (Jul 1, 2009 03:53PM)
Taylor could put egg grafitti on motorcycles like Bob suggested, but I don't think he would live long enough to fully appreciate the efforts. Bob... what were you thinking???
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Jul 9, 2009 08:34PM)
Taylor,

Is your problem really one of managing body angles? Why are you changing hands after the trick has started?

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: joseph (Jul 10, 2009 05:52AM)
Mark Wilson & Nani do a great version..I think I still have it on vhs.. :) ...
Message: Posted by: Lantiere (Jul 15, 2009 11:29AM)
Is it just me or do others also dislike the way silk to egg trick?

I am dead set against telling people that the silk goes inside a fake egg and that we "palm" objects.

Ok, I know the sucker ending is that it turns out to be a real egg that's broken into a glass, but by that time, the damage is already done.

We've already planted in their minds that we use "fake objects" and we teach them how to "Palm" items.

The end does not, in my opinion, justify the means!

I think that is just wrong, and against the magician's code not to reveal secrets - in this case concealing items in fake objects and revealing a method of sleight of hand.

And if I'm not mistaken, some also expose the principle of misdirection (using a coin from the pocket to wave over the egg).

Comments?

Thanks,

Joe Lantiere
Message: Posted by: themagicman84 (Jul 17, 2009 12:06AM)
I personally use Lance Burton's handling...I have used this method for many performances and have gotten away with it every time...It really gets the ewws and awws from the crowd...have yet to be caught! You can check it out on youtube.
Message: Posted by: Erdnase27 (Jul 17, 2009 01:13AM)
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On 2009-06-07 17:14, Whit Haydn wrote:
My routine is the "Rice's Sucker Silk To Egg" from the volume Bob Sanders recommended. I would listen to anything Bob has to say on the effect.

It can be seen here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5135678836890976103
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dear mr. Haydn. I thank and compliment you for this movie. Entertainment in magic rarely seen these days. Thanks for making my day!
Message: Posted by: TheRaven (Jul 26, 2009 06:53PM)
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On 2009-07-15 12:29, Lantiere wrote:

I am dead set against telling people that the silk goes inside a fake egg and that we "palm" objects.
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Valid points. The though has crossed my mind also. A lot is being revealed. Especially disconcerting seeing the silk plucked from the very egg just put forth as a real egg. Really leaves no doubt how it was done.

I would be slightly more comfortable if nothing was revealed with the first egg, and a whole new fake egg w/ hole was brought out and shown as the magician explains and demonstrates in the same way "how it was done" but with another egg and silk. At least then it would leave much more doubt in the audience's mind if what was revealed was even how the trick was originally done.

Posted: Jul 26, 2009 8:05pm
WT,

Another general principle to keep in mind is that a larger motion can help to draw attention away from a smaller motion. Notice in some of the videos the body is turned and the arms are swung around at key times.
Message: Posted by: magiclimber (Aug 17, 2009 07:23PM)
My advice, probably stated somewhere else, is to make sure the audience sees you crack the real egg open. Don't rush that part, instead milk it.
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Aug 20, 2009 05:49AM)
If the real egg is room temperature, it will look better and crack with better control.

The cloth egg dropper I use now can also be used for a deck of cards.

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: jskalon (Aug 28, 2009 12:10PM)
I just started performing Silk to Egg and one problem I have is the Avery Stickers coming off in my pocket. It's not the end of the world and if it happens I just crack the egg and it still gets a good response.
There was a post I saw here where some suggestions were made for an "Alternate Hole". I can't seem to find it.
Today I will experiment with double stick tape and maybe red Duct Tape. Any other ideas?
Thanks
Message: Posted by: Donal Chayce (Aug 28, 2009 03:42PM)
Instead of a sticker, I use a bit of crumpled tissue paper the same color as the silk which I fasten to the egg with rubber cement.
Message: Posted by: bigchuck (Aug 28, 2009 03:57PM)
For me it was usually the condensation that was causing the sticker to come off prematurely -- if you 'stick' on an egg that is already room temperature you will find it happens less -- if you already DO that -- well then, I am not much help and I will sit back down.
Message: Posted by: jskalon (Aug 28, 2009 11:16PM)
Thanks guys. I have had occasional problems even at room temp (you were still a help BigChuck.
Donal, I love the crumpled tissue paper idea. The thought never crossed my mind!.
That's what I love about this place.

Posted: Aug 31, 2009 5:54pm
Hey Donal! Thanks again for the crumpled tissue paper idea. I just got back from doing a show and used your idea for Silk To Egg. Worked like a charm.
Message: Posted by: Joshua Lozoff (Aug 31, 2009 05:46PM)
I use orange electrical tape. Sticks really well, even cold.
Message: Posted by: Donal Chayce (Aug 31, 2009 07:18PM)
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On 2009-08-31 17:54, jskalon wrote:
Hey Donal! Thanks again for the crumpled tissue paper idea. I just got back from doing a show and used your idea for Silk To Egg. Worked like a charm.
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You're most welcome!
Message: Posted by: magicguy88 (Sep 16, 2009 11:16PM)
Any suggestions re: purchasing materials? Viking sells it's silk to egg for around $30...apparently very realistic. Any decent, inexpensive alternatives. What do you all recommend?

Ryan
Message: Posted by: Joshua Lozoff (Sep 21, 2009 01:51PM)
I have never understood the attempt to make the egg look realistic. I want it to look like a cheap plastic hollow prop by the time I "expose" the hole. If anything, I look for real eggs that look sort of fake. The magic is that a fake plastic prop suddenly becomes a real egg and cracking. When you peel the hole off the egg, it should still look like a fake egg.

The longer people think you're holding a fake plastic prop, the stronger the magic, in my opinion.
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Sep 22, 2009 09:57AM)
You must not work very close to your audience or on television. With poor cheap fakes, the moment you open your hand with a real egg you have lost control of the timing in your act. The audience knows immediately that there has been a switch from a poor plastic fake to a real egg. They aren't the ones being fooled. They discover it long before the magician. Some will tune out at that point.

With the zoom lens in television, it all becomes too close for comfort (and surprise). When you show the "egg" (very obviously a poor unconvincing fake) for the first time the audience lowers the expectations of the show even before the concealed silk is exposed.

Never sacrifice momentum for lack of better props. It's too expensive!

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: irossall (Sep 27, 2009 12:51PM)
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On 2009-06-06 13:27, marty.sasaki wrote:
No one in the audience noticed, or if they did, they were extremely polite (unlikely)".
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I think it is very likely that more people were being polite rather than being fooled. Not that an audience should not be polite but I think this is more of a problem than most Magician's and Entertainer's in general want to admit.
I have watched in horror as someone was doing a less than good performance and after a polite applause have heard people ridicule the performance (the very one's who applauded).
It is very difficult to get an honest appraisal from other's, especially Family and Friends. I know this from my own personal experience. Loved one's do not want to "hurt your feelings" and strangers want to be "polite" neither camp is of much help to the performer.
Just my personal take on this subject.
The recommendations you received in the above posts is good advice.
Iven :patty:
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Dec 8, 2009 02:58PM)
Iven,

I'll agree with you. Audiences are essentially polite and even sympathetic. They are there to be entertained and not to expose like children would do. They are forgiving but do not forget.

If they spot "fake", they remember it.

Why not?

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: ddeckmann (Apr 16, 2010 03:08PM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-15 12:29, Lantiere wrote:
Is it just me or do others also dislike the way silk to egg trick?

I am dead set against telling people that the silk goes inside a fake egg and that we "palm" objects.

(...)

We've already planted in their minds that we use "fake objects" and we teach them how to "Palm" items.

The end does not, in my opinion, justify the means!

I think that is just wrong, and against the magician's code not to reveal secrets - in this case concealing items in fake objects and revealing a method of sleight of hand.

And if I'm not mistaken, some also expose the principle of misdirection (using a coin from the pocket to wave over the egg).

Comments?

Thanks,

Joe Lantiere
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I totally agree. I love this routine and I perform it! the thing is I like to present my illusions as mysteries. I posted recently in another (similar) topic my routine. It's basically the same effect, except for some changes.

The silk turns into egg with aid of a magic wand.
I explain that no ones believes anymore in magic wands, and that there are tricks, mysteries and suggestions. I tell that "this" is a trick (I show the hole) that could fool people... Then I talk a little bit more about magic in the past and about what underlines the concept of mystery and what a magic wand means in our century. And in between taking in and out the wand for explaining purposes I do the sw**h. (I do not explain procedures). I conclude: "Tricks are things from the past, and as I said before, I do not offer tricks, I offer mysteries" (take the tissue paper out and break the egg).

I think this is a great thing to make our magic real, since lay people have access to youtube, rapidshare, etc. and they know that real magic does not exist, it's a good way to introduce laymen to what is all about the art of magic.

"You can never win their intellect, but you can win their emotions" Darwin Ortiz

Is the patter and presentation that leads the public were you want them to be. Maybe you're not 'filosofical' as I am, but I think you can work out a presentation without talking about palming, misdirection and/or methods to fool.

Dante D.
Message: Posted by: Vogler (Apr 30, 2019 09:51AM)
Which method of palming do you use before the exposure? classic palm or finger palm?I want to try it in a stand up situation