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Topic: Punching out a candle flame - video of me doing it
Message: Posted by: DN777 (Jun 10, 2009 09:54PM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em9-TCunnC0

If you know the method please post up! I invite everyone to start an active discussion on the topic of extinguishing flames with punches, kicks, Qi energy and anything else you might like! I am happy to answer PM's regarding this effect as well, but I prefer to answer questions in the thread.

Thank you!
- Dan
Message: Posted by: RicHeka (Jun 10, 2009 10:25PM)
Dan:I liked your clip very much.This is new to me,however I am sure there are others here who are more familiar.

I am thinking this [extinguishing a flame with a punch] could be a nice addition to a multi-phase TK/PK presentation.

Rich
Message: Posted by: Oyama (Jun 11, 2009 12:24AM)
How about you put your fist next to the flame and PULL your fist back. You will pull the flame with your fist.

Couldn't watch the clip so not sure if that's what you did or not. My computer issue.

Aaron
Message: Posted by: Magical Dimensions (Jun 11, 2009 06:33AM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-10 22:54, Daniel Normandeau wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em9-TCunnC0

If you know the method please post up! I invite everyone to start an active discussion on the topic of extinguishing flames with punches, kicks, Qi energy and anything else you might like! I am happy to answer PM's regarding this effect as well, but I prefer to answer questions in the thread.

Thank you!
- Dan
[/quote]


This is so dumb. People have been doing this forever. There isnít any KI energy involved here, just the dumb wind coming off your fist and in YOUR case your coat sleeve also!

Why would anyone want to discussion extinguishing a flame with a punch or kick is beyond me. What purpose are you trying to establish here?


Ray
Message: Posted by: lejon (Jun 11, 2009 06:38AM)
Wow magical dimension, really there is no qi.... you destroyed my dreams...

why would anyone respond to a post which clearly they are not interested in.

AAAhhh the Cafť....
Message: Posted by: Anthony Jacquin (Jun 11, 2009 06:45AM)
From that distance you can simply punch them out. Nice video.

Anthony
Message: Posted by: LLL (Jun 11, 2009 06:48AM)
Bit harsh Magical Dimensions. Bad morning?
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jun 11, 2009 07:22AM)
Watch your left hand's thumb too...not square with the fist...too extended...

I'd be impressed if you could do a one inch punch version...
Message: Posted by: Anthony Jacquin (Jun 11, 2009 07:34AM)
Do what your doing and then follow it with the Skills of The Vagabonds method to put it out from across the room.

No loops. No instant stooge. No wind.

Ant
Message: Posted by: Sidney (Jun 11, 2009 07:36AM)
It's nice but I can't get past the cheap folding guest table.

The things a woman notices ;)

Sid
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Jun 11, 2009 07:48AM)
Ray has right here.

Perhaps it could be interesting to do the invisible punch but not so close from the flame !
It's too logical.
If somedoby told me he can extinguish a flame and do what you do, I thought "this guy pulling my legs"
Message: Posted by: RicHeka (Jun 11, 2009 09:00AM)
I believe Daniel was sincerely just trying to open a dialog here to get some feedback,and possibly some ideas on how this can be taken to another level.

I can imagine a presentation that begins with the lighting of a candle,and proceeds with 2 or 3 TK/PK effects[or other visual effects],and ends with extinguishg of the candle,as shown.[although Anthony's reference above to the Skill's of the Vagabonds method also sounds interesting]
So perhaps lighting 3 candles at the start...and at the finish extinguishing two with punches,and the third from a distance.

Rich
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jun 11, 2009 09:12AM)
Have 3 candles...someone points to one, a small group focuses on it..

then it estinguishes...

easy to do..and a lovely method is mentioned in a bob cassidy ebook...
Message: Posted by: DN777 (Jun 11, 2009 10:26AM)
Thank you Iain and Anthony, that's great information!

I'm going to clarify a few things about this effect. As Ray pointed out it's been done for a long time... But can you do it? Most of you probably can't. I simply invite people to try it for themselves before saying the solution is obvious! With this method you can do it on any candle as well, no need for any preparation. You just need to practice for a bit. Doing it successfully every time IS impressive if you have the right presentation.

Furthermore, as a few people surely realized, this is a great prelude to a distance effect, this is also a great way to cancel out other methods... I'm sorry you found it dumb Ray, I'll try to find something a little bit more on your level next time, mmmkay?
Message: Posted by: Chris K (Jun 11, 2009 12:15PM)
Well, as long as both Ray and Daniel got personal, time to demonstrate that hubris breeds nemesis...

[quote] But can you do it? Most of you probably can't. I simply invite people to try it for themselves before saying the solution is obvious! [/quote]

I remember those days. When I thought I was clever because I knew something most people didn't (I think I am specifically referring to tearing phone books in half). I was an idiot for thinking that way just as Daniel as an idiot for thinking that way. It's worse here because at least I only thought so to myself whereas Daniel's will live in posterity forever. However, to close this chapter on his hubris:

I can do it. I've done it for years. I've done remote version, one-inch punch versions, and even a version from the other room. I've combined it with "karate chops" that result in the candle falling into pieces when I extinguish the flame (I see you people nodding your heads, easy yet clever combination of effects, huh?). I could offer constructive criticism but what would be the point, you obviously think you're special (secret: you're not, I'm not, nobody is).

Get over yourself and you'll find that people would be willing to teach you (I'm not, so don't even ask, and that's saying a lot because I help out almost anybody who asks).

Ray,
Why would anybody want to pretend they can move stuff in their mind? Let me use your own words to answer that.
[quote] This is so dumb. People have been doing this forever. There isnít any KI energy involved here
[/quote]

Ok, maybe I am being picky. What about reading somebody's thoughts? Oh, wait...
[quote] This is so dumb. People have been doing this forever. There isnít any KI energy involved here
[/quote]

Ok, ok, what about making coins gather under one card?
[quote] This is so dumb. People have been doing this forever. There isnít any KI energy involved here
[/quote]

Um, bending a coin?
[quote] This is so dumb. People have been doing this forever. There isnít any KI energy involved here
[/quote]

Writing something on a piece of paper only to tear it up? Rationalizing it with energy (KI) or concentration or whatever?
[quote] This is so dumb. People have been doing this forever. There isnít any KI energy involved here
[/quote]

Falling in love?
[quote] This is so dumb. People have been doing this forever. There isnít any KI energy involved here
[/quote]

Believing in an afterlife?
[quote] This is so dumb. People have been doing this forever. There isnít any KI energy involved here
[/quote]

Living?
[quote] This is so dumb. People have been doing this forever. There isnít any KI energy involved here
[/quote]

When you can answer any possible question with the same answer, it means the answer is irrelevant (by definition, actually, but I really don't want to get into a discussion about semantics). Just because you don't find a particular method/effect to be good doesn't mean it's dumb. I mean, if one is arrogant or ignorant enough, maybe they THINK it is, but it isn't.

The funniest thing about Ray's post, though, is he offered the strongest counter-argument against it himself:
[quote] What purpose are you trying to establish here? [/quote]
You recognize that a "purpose" can put this into perspective. A CT would seem dumb if a purpose wasn't given as well.

Think about it objectively for a minute, Ray, how many of your effects fail if you put the same spin on them? I'd guess every single effect, activity, joke, gag, move, thought, etc. that you could think of (remember, you can't use what you are THINKING when doing the effect, only what it looks like).

Hubris breeds nemesis and consider yourselves nemesized.
Message: Posted by: Ray Pierce (Jun 11, 2009 12:39PM)
I'm not going to get into the personal side of the effect, but just to view it from a layman's POV, do we think the method fools people?

Now I'm all for bold methods! I think that with great performance technique we can use very bold methods and still fool people badly. I also understand Daniel's comments about using this as a secondary method for alternate remote effects which I think is very . Anytime we can use multiple conflicting methods for creating the same effect, it's more deceptive.

I just don't have enough feedback from laymen to know if using this technique as a primary method will be deceptive. Even if the spectator doesn't get the subtlety of the angle of the fist and all the details, will he just assume the actual method? Daniel does it as well as anyone I've seen. What has been your experience in the field with it?

The other problem in performing situations is that even if people knew the method, many times social constructs prevented them from saying anything. I had a great proving ground in the magic shop testing things on people off the street. If something was a little off, they had no trouble calling you on it!

I like the idea of this, I just want to know if it will fool most people.
Message: Posted by: DN777 (Jun 11, 2009 12:49PM)
All you have to do is ask them to try it. I know TKD black belts who can't do this. The secret is also in the whipping motion of the legs, hips, waist and torso. If you know basic tai chi movements or kung fu you'll know what I mean!

Some people are able to do it, others can't. When someone is able to do it, I just tell them their Qi is strong and I congratulate them on the lucky hit. A big wrestler will want to try... Let him, it will be fun! Again, if people are able to do it, don't take it as failure. Instead, "prepare" them with breathing exercises and "teach them" to do it so you can take all the credit if they happen to get a lucky hit! It will NOT work every time for laypeople. It will however happen occasionally especially if the spectator has a martial arts background.

- Dan
Message: Posted by: Christopher Taylor (Jun 11, 2009 01:23PM)
Dan: Some feed back. Have you performed this for lay people? What are their reactions? Can you generate enough wind in short sleeves (perhaps more impressive). I've trained in the martial arts for over 40 years and have never attempted this. After seeing your little demo, I tried it sleeveless and did not find it difficult in the least. I think this would be quite easy for anyone who can deliver a reasonably fast punch with control. As mentioned above, it might be a good intro to a distance effect.

All the best,

Christopher
Message: Posted by: DN777 (Jun 11, 2009 01:34PM)
Yes, I've performed it for lay people. I've seen people tire themselves right out boxing the candle. When I first saw it done, I remember being very impressed as well. The fact that you can do it easily is a testament to your 40 year accomplishment! I don't find any difference in difficulty with or without sleeves. Good point though on the presentation, sleeveless is better. I simply wanted to look the same way in the video as I do when I show up in person.

Which martial arts did you study Willow?

Thanks,
- Dan
Message: Posted by: Jubin (Jun 11, 2009 01:48PM)
I aslo recommand you to do it a bit farther if you are able to. On the video, you look really close to the flame.
Message: Posted by: jasons_mind (Jun 11, 2009 02:07PM)
Lemniscate,

Not to really get involved here, but you left out the most important part of Ray's response. He mentioned that the fist and jacket were blowing out the candle, which it was, so it makes all of your references to Ray's answer irrelevant.

Have a nice day :)

Jason.
Message: Posted by: Chris K (Jun 11, 2009 02:10PM)
Actually, it doesn't have a single thing to do with "dumb", or "people have been doing it forever" or "Ki", it has to do with being obvious, which refers to none of those things. But thanks for trying, you'll get the hang of reading eventually.

On a different note, I've learned to always listen when C. Taylor talks and I wholeheartedly recommend everybody doing the same.
Message: Posted by: Magical Dimensions (Jun 11, 2009 02:57PM)
It would be more FUN to watch if someone would do ĎGunslingerí from Diamond Jim Tyler book, ĎPocket Full of miracles. You just stand back and pretend that you are wearing a gun on your side (OWB) and quickly draw an imaginary gun then pause for a second they say, ĎBANGí and the flame goes out which is a much better presentation.

As far as Ki and all that stuff, I started taking classes in 3rd grade and continued into my 50ís. I have been around to many places in the world and seen a few things that impressed me and things that didnít. This flame thing is to help focus your punch. The other method is to hang a piece of paper from the ceiling.

I have been around so long that I have a few belts that I have somewhere that donít mean anything. I even been to Korea where I study Hapkido and then 15 years ago I moved into close up fighting (in fighting) where I mix everything (JKD). I taught for years in different areas of combat so I really do know a thing or two about this and the gags or tricks that can be used in this matter.

With that being said, why donít you decide to break bricks with your bare hands using the trick methods? Break real bricks using just your hands and physics. If you are so impressed with pushing the wind toward a candle flame then why not get into breaking real bricks using the con method? Plus it would be cool to watch.

If you want to know how to break a brick using your hands like many of the so-called masters,who claim to be using Ki, just PM me and I will be happy to give you insight.

Ray
Message: Posted by: Silvertongue (Jun 11, 2009 03:39PM)
I just punched candle wax all over the carpet!!!
Message: Posted by: Christopher Taylor (Jun 11, 2009 04:46PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-11 16:39, Silvertongue wrote:
I just punched candle wax all over the carpet!!!
[/quote]

:)

[quote]
Which martial arts did you study Willow?
[/quote]

Primarily, Kung Fu: My Jong Law Hon for ten years, and for the last 25 years a little known village system call Chunfeng (Spring Wind).

Christopher
Message: Posted by: charlesgmorgan (Jun 11, 2009 04:48PM)
I am an old coot ... 64. Never studied martial arts, although I was in a few fights when I was younger. I just tried the candle bit ... it took me 3 tries to do it ... then I tried a few variations until I was pretty sure I had the knack, maybe half a dozen in all ... Then I did it 5 times in a row. After that, just for interest, I did it with 6 inch punches 3 times in a row.

This trick is basically just what it looks like ... you are blowing out the candle by moving air with your fist. All you need to do is move your fist fast enough, close enough to the candle, at the right angle.

It is a lot easier to do it if you use the flat of your hand and wave at the candle, like you were slapping someone, but that is not very impressive. Maybe martial arts schools could use the candle-blowing-out trick to teach people to slap harder.

It is more difficult if you use just a one finger punch. I could not do it with one finger.

I doubt that many would find this very mysterious. And I do not see that it has anything to do with mentalism, even PK effects. I think that if you start a series of PK effects with this, you are just cuing the audience that all of your stunts are just tricks.

Maybe you could fit it into a larger set of routines if you admitted up front what it is all about ... maybe teach a spectator how to do it. Then move on to perhaps talk about mental control of your body and then move to pseudo- or real hypnosis effects ... stiff body between two chairs and you stand on person ... Georgia Magnet effects ... that sort of thing.

Personally I do not do PK effects ... they all seem totally unbelievable to me. But this one is more transparent than most, in my opinion.

Cheers ..... Charles
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jun 11, 2009 05:11PM)
I do it with my hands tied behind my back.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jun 11, 2009 05:18PM)
I can do it with my bottom..
Message: Posted by: Christopher Taylor (Jun 11, 2009 05:29PM)
Lemniscate: Regarding people listening, thank you for the kind words. I just wish my son felt the same way :)

Christopher
Message: Posted by: DN777 (Jun 11, 2009 05:45PM)
[quote]
I doubt that many would find this very mysterious. [/quote]

It depends on your presentation. If you believe, so will they...

[quote]And I do not see that it has anything to do with mentalism, even PK effects. [/quote]

Many people here don't understand what this has to do with mentalism - I'm not going to explain it either.

[quote]
Personally I do not do PK effects ... they all seem totally unbelievable to me. But this one is more transparent than most, in my opinion.[/quote]

You have the magic eye my friend, like everyone here. Spoon bending looks completely fake to me, while the people watching think otherwise. Perception is everything!

- Dan
Message: Posted by: bobser (Jun 11, 2009 05:59PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-11 17:48, charlesgmorgan wrote:
This trick is basically just what it looks like ... you are blowing out the candle by moving air with your fist. All you need to do is move your fist fast enough, close enough to the candle, at the right angle.
[/quote]

This made me both smile, then chuckle. Thankyou Charles. I'd suggest everybody read the above. Then read it again. And maybe just once more. Then ask yourself if this doesn't make complete and perfect sense. Then ask your self why you needed to read it more than once, If you're sane you should be chuckling by now.
I mean, IF I wanted to do this I'd devise a method where I could do it with a brick.

bobser
Message: Posted by: Drewmcadam (Jun 11, 2009 06:00PM)
There is another way of doing this - even from a distance. If you have a copy of "Reality is Plastic" then have a look at the front cover :)

If you DON'T have a copy... why not?

Drew
Message: Posted by: tiriri (Jun 11, 2009 06:01PM)
I have been doing it for at least 16 years, but not as magic but as a result of training kung fu.

Obviously now that I perform magic I have done it as a gag in a middle of a magic show and it turns that the spectators get very impressed by it.

I think is a mix of Qi energy and wind blown by the fists, because when I do it without the proper breathing martial arts techniques, it doesnít work that well. And with the breathing techniques I have been able to do it from a distance of approximately 15 inches from the candle. The guy doing it in the video does it too close. In that particular case it could be just the action of the air pushed by a fast fist.

I do teach these techniques to my students at the university, because one of the subjects I teach here has to do with the practical and theoretical parts of eastern philosophies. And, the only secrets to these techniques are proper stomach breathing, visualizing and practice. I start with one of the easiest punches or hits which is done with two fingers, then the karate punch with an open hand, then the karate sword or "shuto" punch, and finally the karate punch like the one in the video. I do it in that order because I have found that the first punches blow more air, therefore less concentration and Qi is needed, while the latter punches blow less air.

These are just my thoughts and I am sure a lot of people will disagree in the believe of Qi. I do believe in Qi, but as I just said, in these types of demonstrations you have both, a physical (air) and a non physical (Qi) action.

Best regards,


Giovanni.
Message: Posted by: bobser (Jun 11, 2009 06:02PM)
I have a copy and I don't know what you mean Drew. And what are you doing up at this time? it's after midnight. You on the pish again?
Message: Posted by: Drewmcadam (Jun 11, 2009 06:03PM)
Bobser, I have a very nice glass of wine beside me. The front cover - it's a water pistol, init?
Message: Posted by: bobser (Jun 11, 2009 06:04PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-11 19:01, tiriri wrote:


I think is a mix of Qi energy and wind blown by the fists, because when I do it without the proper breathing martial arts techniques, it doesnít work that well.
[/quote]

Ah well, there y'go then. Charles was wrong. Sorry tiriri.
Message: Posted by: tiriri (Jun 11, 2009 06:06PM)
I have also a friend who has visited many Buddhist and Shaoling temples in the east and he told me about a particular one where they practice the "Yoga of one finger", which consists of the practitioner meditating sometimes for decades in concentrating all his Qi in the tip of one finger.

After many years of practice they are suppose to do the candle technique but without any motion of the hand. When they reach that point they try to do it putting a piece of paper between the hand and the candle, and, finally when they master the technique, they do it putting a wooden board between the hand and the candle. Then their master prohibits the practitioner to ever use the technique again because it is lethal.

Giovanni.
Message: Posted by: Paul Spaniels (Jun 11, 2009 06:08PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-11 18:18, IAIN wrote:
I can do it with my bottom..
[/quote]

I have a similar effect that makes the flame suddenly grow. I got the idea while watching Terrence and Philip.
Message: Posted by: jameme (Jun 11, 2009 06:12PM)
I think this is one of those little things
that is fun to know and to use when the ocasion appears

I try it out and did it after a few trys.. so I guess I can do it on request now.. but I think this is one of those impromptu things.. when you are on a discussion with new age followers and then you can say something along the lines I don't believe in qi.. but thereīs something interesting that qi gong masters do.. wanna see it?.. and you go and perform..
I think this going on with a right frame
if they see throught the trick.. you go.. yeah.. but qi gong masters like to fool themselves.. and if it works out.. well even better
it could work.. but not as a routine more likely an impromptu effect like I said
Message: Posted by: Drewmcadam (Jun 11, 2009 06:14PM)
<<I have a similar effect that makes the flame suddenly grow>>

It's the water pistol and lighter fluid idea. Right?
Message: Posted by: Paul Spaniels (Jun 11, 2009 06:18PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-11 19:00, Drewmcadam wrote:
There is another way of doing this - even from a distance. If you have a copy of "Reality is Plastic" then have a look at the front cover :)
[/quote]

:D

I would LOVE to see how you'd disguise this method! Aside from shouting "look behind you" and hoping not to hit a spec lol.
Message: Posted by: bobser (Jun 11, 2009 06:22PM)
Oh ok Drew, got it. Ta.
Giovanni, may I ask if you do the 'no touch' punch? And if so can I ask how you achieve this?

bobser
Message: Posted by: Paul Spaniels (Jun 11, 2009 06:22PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-11 19:14, Drewmcadam wrote:
<<I have a similar effect that makes the flame suddenly grow>>

It's the water pistol and lighter fluid idea. Right?
[/quote]

Haha! That's it! The body count can be quite high but it's a wonderful effect! :D
Message: Posted by: Drewmcadam (Jun 11, 2009 06:24PM)
Hey - you can pop a balloon just by thought. You concentrate Ė and the balloon bursts.

It involves an assistant on the roof opposite the venue, a high powered sniper rifle and some way of disguising the round hole in the window.


Drew
Message: Posted by: Paul Spaniels (Jun 11, 2009 06:31PM)
Well I only have a bazooka but I'll use that to practice!
Message: Posted by: Chris K (Jun 11, 2009 06:43PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-11 19:31, Paul Spaniels wrote:
Well I only have a bazooka but I'll use that to practice!
[/quote]

Hey, start with what works is what I always say. I'll tell you this, I'd rather see somebody use a bazooka than almost anything I've ever seen on youtube. See you use it while I was a safe distance away, of course.

Lem
Message: Posted by: charlesgmorgan (Jun 11, 2009 07:15PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-11 19:01, tiriri wrote:

I think is a mix of Qi energy and wind blown by the fists, because when I do it without the proper breathing martial arts techniques, it doesnít work that well. And with the breathing techniques I have been able to do it from a distance of approximately 15 inches from the candle. The guy doing it in the video does it too close. In that particular case it could be just the action of the air pushed by a fast fist.

Best regards,


Giovanni.
[/quote]

Hey ... no doubt you are correct. I just tried it myself, and with the proper breathing technique (especially the exhale), I can also extinguish the flame from a distance.

As for the one finger technique, with no hand movement, with a good, WIDE board in front of the candle ... all I can say is "show me". I have heard that some folks can REALLY levitate too, but I have never seen it ....

Actually, I must confess that I can do the one finger technique with no movement with a wide board in between me and the candle, but my master forbade me to ever do it again because it is so lethal, so I am very sorry I cannot demonstrate it for you ........

By the way, is anyone interested in some moose pasture I have for sale in northern Alberta??? ... It is a site of special energy, where a number of force fields all come together ... a VERY sacred site .... recognized as such by all the native shamen ... just pm me with an offer ....

Cheers ...... Charles
Message: Posted by: Oyama (Jun 11, 2009 07:57PM)
Anybody try the way I described?
Message: Posted by: parmenion (Jun 12, 2009 02:01AM)
I know a Chinese man, he can extinguished a flame to 5 M with his back turn !
He told me he was his Qi kong energy.
Well, it's not wrong,it's his interne energy, his fart is very strong,
As he told me, his secret is he does it without any noise and a little hole in his pant.
Message: Posted by: jameme (Jun 12, 2009 02:31AM)
Parmenion!! you liar!!!
I doubt you can do that by farting

I try it out
the flame actually grew so high it burned my ass and lower back
Message: Posted by: ryanalewis (Apr 1, 2010 02:33PM)
A link to the first video came with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzvz1BeJNjQ&feature=related

I guess this guy can do it to 20 candles in a group. That seems more impressive? The wind he seems to generate based on the smoke is very impressive in fact. That's a really fast punch, and he barely moves his hips or upper body, even more impressive.

Give it a try with 20 candles, I bet that is much harder.
Message: Posted by: seadog93 (Apr 1, 2010 04:08PM)
This is a funny thread.
I remember having a "discussion" on youtube with someone who claimed that this proved the existence of chi (which I actually do believe in btw). It went something like this

-me:that's just wind
-him: I bet you can't do it
-me: I can do it
-him: you probably just think you can do it
-me: no I learned it in martial arts and I can do it, it's pretty easy
-him: you just assuming that it would be easy, why don't you try it; you can't do that with air
-me: I just did it (again), it was easy, it was just air.

I gave up. I think you could do this (real MA training) to demonstrate how beginners learn, then do it from farther back (real MA training) to show what intermediate students do, then with mind power (faked) to show the levels of skill you have arrived at. Then conclude with a PK touches demo, explaining that you are being very gentle so as not to injure anyone.

On a semi-related note, has anyone incorporated battojutsu/iaijutsu/iaido into a card sword routine? I keep thinking about it, it seems like it would go over well.
Message: Posted by: stashu (Apr 2, 2010 01:41AM)
Tom Kurz has done this demonstration for years with no "chi" involved and very little effort.

Link posted below,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QWROg__I_8
Message: Posted by: Matthew Townsend (Apr 2, 2010 10:45AM)
OK I just tried this out after having not one lesson of martial arts or anything and it worked for me. No Chi or anything. Just wind.

I just lit a candle, went to punch it but stopped about an inch away and the flame went out.

I must be missing something here cos I'm not impressed.

Whats this thread about? Blowing candles out with wind????

M
Message: Posted by: Tom G (Apr 2, 2010 12:47PM)
My Grandmaster years ago told stories about people claiming to be Qi Gong masters doing magic tricks on the street corners. He described some old classics and also described a t**** t**.
Message: Posted by: ryanalewis (Apr 5, 2010 12:25PM)
[quote]
On 2010-04-02 11:45, Matthew Shepherd wrote:
OK I just tried this out after having not one lesson of martial arts or anything and it worked for me. No Chi or anything. Just wind.
[/quote]

Try it with 20!

Yes, one candle seems silly at best.
Message: Posted by: Prager (Apr 7, 2010 09:44PM)
Sorry but its kind of obvious. Wind.