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Topic: Appearing cane with a vanishing cane kicker
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Jun 12, 2009 11:04AM)
Is there such a cane that will do an appearance followed by a vanish later in the act?
This must be something that is done regularly in magic acts.

What are folks using to make this happen.

My act begins with an appearing cane.
I would be ever so nifty if it ended with a vanishing cane.

Must I do some odd cane switch?

Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Fred-Erik Johanson (Jun 12, 2009 11:36AM)
I have seen Dale Salwak doing similar what you were thinking, but he was directly pushing it into collapsed position. I donīt know how it is accomplished, but I think its just done with a loose appearing cane.
Also, you can put the appeared cane just after appearance and switch it with disappearing one, in way putting it on the table horizontally.
Of course you can do first disappearing and then appearing cane...that is what I do.

Thanks,
Fred
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Jun 12, 2009 01:13PM)
Many Asian magicians do it with just the appearing cane. It is common now to see a silk to cane effect and then later on followed to cane to silk with the same cane. There is a knock-off version of the Mahka Tendo canes now widely sold over in Asia and the cane is a bit loose to execute (compress quite fast - depending on practice) the cane to silk or cane to confetti effect.

Hope this helps.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jun 13, 2009 05:02AM)
I don't care how fast they do it I've never seen anyone do it fast enough that it didn't look to me like they were compressing the cane, exactly as they are. Not saying it can't be done but I doubt it will ever look truly "magical" IMO. Personally, I think its one of those cases where magicians are only fooling themselves, it's more a demonstration of skill for other magicians. To answer the original question, I think a well-timed and executed switch (it shouldn't look "odd") would look better than quickly collapsing the cane which I think almost exposes the secret.
Besides, starting with a vanishing cane and ending with an appearing cane seems like a more logical plot line than the reverse.
Scott Cervine did some real nice work with canes, perhaps he still does, haven't seen him for a long time. Can't remember if he vanished an appearing cane but his stuff always looked very magical to me so if he did he must have come up with a nice looking way of doing it. See if you can check out a video of his act and it may spark some ideas. Vanishing it under cover of a silk or some object looks better to me than a full view stuffing it into your hand.
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Jun 13, 2009 12:17PM)
I agree with you, videoman. The effect does not look realistic at all as you can see them compressing the cane. It is just a gimmick they are using to sell more canes, IMHO.

I would prefer appearing a cane and then do something with it (appearing an object from the cane) and then with some misdirection switch the cane for a vanishing cane.
Message: Posted by: bojanbarisic (Jun 13, 2009 12:32PM)
Cervine also switched an appearing cane for a vanishing cane in his act.
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Jun 13, 2009 12:46PM)
Looks like switching is the most logical way to go about it.
Message: Posted by: JNeal (Jun 13, 2009 01:28PM)
This can be done without switching canes using the information in the hardcover book of Fantasio's efffects. I think it includes all the David Ginn books from the 70's as well as s rrove of other important and rarely noticed secrets...he even teaches how to make feather bouquets for the candles and canes!

a second method is in print in Magii Christian's lecture notes from the 70's where he instantaneously produces a cane and then it vanishes. Don't give up. do the research , and you won't have to switch canes at all.
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Jun 13, 2009 01:37PM)
Thanks, JNeal, for that valuable info. Will search for them so I don't have to do the switching.
Message: Posted by: bojanbarisic (Jun 13, 2009 01:51PM)
Magic Christian published his idea in Lecture notes vol.3
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Jun 14, 2009 12:22AM)
Anyone know where any of this might be available for purchase?
Message: Posted by: Eddie Torres (Jun 15, 2009 12:11PM)
I use a vanishing cane for both. I start off by making the cane appear behind a silk. It's not a flash appearance obviously but with the silk cover it looks like nothing was there and when I drop the end of the silk the cane is there, I use the silk as cover to cap the cane and then go on until it's time to do the vanish later. It's always worked well for me.
Message: Posted by: Anatole (Jun 17, 2009 05:45PM)
The original Russ Walsh appearing canes were so well made that you could create the illusion of squeezing the cane and changing it to a silk. This was especially effective if you held the cane slightly (but not perfectly) perpendicular to the plane of the audience and kept the hands in motion. I saw a magician do this back in the 60's and it looked great. But the original Walsh appearing canes were much better made than today's canes.

If you're old enough to remember the Mickey Mouse Club, on Anything Can Happen Day, the animated Mickey (in his sorceror's apprentice robe) used to vanish a wizard's staff by squeezing (i.e. collapsing) the staff between his hands until his hands were together--then opened his hands to show the staff was completely gone. It looked like magic to me. If you've read Heinlein's _Stranger in a Strange Land_, the main character was able to apparently make things disappear, but what really happened was the things shrank instantly to a size too small for the human eye to see. (If you haven't read the book, the main character realized that his "magical powers" were considered such a threat to humans that he became a side show magician and everyone assumed that all of his "real magic" was done with invisible wires and mirrors.) Think of the premise behind the diminishing cards. The cards progressively shrink until they are microscopic. If you start with the normal sized cards and go immediately to the microscopic, it would look like the cards just vanished.

----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
P.S. When Mickey "vanished" the cane by squeezing it between his hands, I'm sure he must have been using a Topit because his four-fingered hands looked absolutely empty ;-)
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jun 18, 2009 03:04PM)
Frank: Check your PM.
Message: Posted by: yin_howe (Jul 2, 2009 10:31PM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODXXVHExkP8

This magi does the said effect very nicely in the beginning of this routine.
Message: Posted by: JNeal (Jul 3, 2009 01:09AM)
The fellow in the youtube clip is Dale Salwak who is referenced in the 2nd post in this thread.
Message: Posted by: yin_howe (Jul 3, 2009 03:20AM)
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On 2009-07-03 02:09, JNeal wrote:
The fellow in the youtube clip is Dale Salwak who is referenced in the 2nd post in this thread.
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Thanks for the info JNeal
Message: Posted by: Harry Murphy (Jul 3, 2009 07:10AM)
Mr. Salwak is using the above mentioned original Russ Walsh metal canes. I suspect that He has been using that same cane for over 40 years. I watched him do his act including this segment over 40 years ago at a convention.
Message: Posted by: magicians (Jul 3, 2009 08:05AM)
I do a vanishing then appearing.
I do this by having an appearing cane in the right hand, and holding the wide end of the cane with that same hand. Then, firing the cane into the opposite hand reveals the silk. Then that same silk becomes the cane. This is the same method I show in my lecture for candle to silk to cane. A vanishing candle changes to a silk, then to a cane.
If anyone is coming to my Fab magic lecture during the Get together in August, I will show you.
I will be also showing it at Detroit lecture on the 5th.
I have not done it using just the canes, I do it using the silk as the "common thread".
My method is an opener, as the vanishing cane does not have the cap when I start.
The silk is in the vanishing cane loosely, and also attached to the appearing cane. You can use the cap on the vanishing cane if you wish, which holds the vanisher in place and the silk is stuck between the cap and cane body then in the furrile of the appearing cane. But I find it easier to not use the cap.
I have shown this method in my lectures since 1977. (I have a clip I will post using the candle).
I do this using metal canes, but I suggest that the Fantasio be used for the vanish (it is less lethal) and the metal cane for the production because you can use a longer, thicker silk.
The guy in the video is using one cane!!
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Aug 3, 2009 04:36PM)
This is the invention of the late Neil Foster, Dale Salwak uses with permission. It is only a standard Appearing Cane, any metal Appearing Cane will work with the proper break-in period and some practice on the potential performer's part.

Christian used a device on the stage. This could be visible from the balcony by the audience. He made a Vanishing Cane appear. Good idea but not for most of us.

Loftus/Empire Company has come out with one of the best Vanishing and Appearing metal canes I have ever seen. They do not need the oil and have the features of spring loaded release and metal knob that are excellent and they match each other. Check them out and make sure you get the Empire brand because there are so many dealers that refuse to give brand information now-a-days.

https://www.loftus.com/item/LF-0676 they only wholesale so if you are interested in this excellent product, you can order from http://www.stoners.com
Message: Posted by: Yehuda (Aug 5, 2009 12:24PM)
As some of you already said, you can do vanishing cane and appearing cane after that. I know that Tony Clark begins and ends his routine like that. Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmittVGpNYQ

I think since it was a logical progression, it is the same cane in the audience's mind because you started the routine with the vanish and then you produced it at the end, ending where you started.

Yehuda
Message: Posted by: Regan (Aug 5, 2009 01:41PM)
[quote]
On 2009-08-03 17:36, wmhegbli wrote:
This is the invention of the late Neil Foster, Dale Salwak uses with permission. It is only a standard Appearing Cane, any metal Appearing Cane will work with the proper break-in period and some practice on the potential performer's part.

Christian used a device on the stage. This could be visible from the balcony by the audience. He made a Vanishing Cane appear. Good idea but not for most of us.

Loftus/Empire Company has come out with one of the best Vanishing and Appearing metal canes I have ever seen. They do not need the oil and have the features of spring loaded release and metal knob that are excellent and they match each other. Check them out and make sure you get the Empire brand because there are so many dealers that refuse to give brand information now-a-days.

https://www.loftus.com/item/LF-0676 they only wholesale so if you are interested in this excellent product, you can order from http://www.stoners.com
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Bill, judging from the photo those do look nice!
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Aug 6, 2009 03:36PM)
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On 2009-08-05 13:24, YRauch wrote:
As some of you already said, you can do vanishing cane and appearing cane after that. I know that Tony Clark begins and ends his routine like that. Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmittVGpNYQ

I think since it was a logical progression, it is the same cane in the audience's mind because you started the routine with the vanish and then you produced it at the end, ending where you started.

Yehuda
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It seems you did not read the post correctly. It is not Vanishing then Appearing it is Appearing then Vanishing!
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Aug 6, 2009 03:40PM)
[quote]
On 2009-08-05 14:41, Regan wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-08-03 17:36, wmhegbli wrote:
This is the invention of the late Neil Foster, Dale Salwak uses with permission. It is only a standard Appearing Cane, any metal Appearing Cane will work with the proper break-in period and some practice on the potential performer's part.

Christian used a device on the stage. This could be visible from the balcony by the audience. He made a Vanishing Cane appear. Good idea but not for most of us.

Loftus/Empire Company has come out with one of the best Vanishing and Appearing metal canes I have ever seen. They do not need the oil and have the features of spring loaded release and metal knob that are excellent and they match each other. Check them out and make sure you get the Empire brand because there are so many dealers that refuse to give brand information now-a-days.

https://www.loftus.com/item/LF-0676 they only wholesale so if you are interested in this excellent product, you can order from http://www.stoners.com
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Bill, judging from the photo those do look nice!
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The photo does not do them justice. They are the same Superior quaility that Tannen put out some years back. I had the opportunity to handle both and they are Superior to anything I have seen in a black cane!
Message: Posted by: graywolf (Aug 6, 2009 04:13PM)
Neil Foster taught it to me in 1978.It is the same cane .A lot of work with graphite will make it work..Howard
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jul 5, 2016 07:05AM)
[quote]On Aug 3, 2009, Bill Hegbli wrote:
This is the invention of the late Neil Foster, Dale Salwak uses with permission. It is only a standard Appearing Cane, any metal Appearing Cane will work with the proper break-in period and some practice on the potential performer's part.

Christian used a device on the stage. This could be visible from the balcony by the audience. He made a Vanishing Cane appear. Good idea but not for most of us.

Loftus/Empire Company has come out with one of the best Vanishing and Appearing metal canes I have ever seen. They do not need the oil and have the features of spring loaded release and metal knob that are excellent and they match each other. Check them out and make sure you get the Empire brand because there are so many dealers that refuse to give brand information now-a-days.

https://www.loftus.com/item/LF-0676 they only wholesale so if you are interested in this excellent product, you can order from http://www.stoners.com [/quote]

Bill is CORRECT! Neil and I were very close friends. We shared many "secrets". His Zombi gaff was another very well kept secret, also.
Message: Posted by: Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse (Jul 5, 2016 01:06PM)
That was a nice bit of Cain work
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jul 5, 2016 02:28PM)
In order to accomplish the OP question, he would have to customize a table or stage prop for the exchange aka switch. Being he has spaced the canes between the beginning and end of his routine, it would be possible to easily accomplish his idea.

If he would want to use a Fantasio Cane, then use the Wand to Cane by Tenyo, and look at the method by David Sousa from his DVD and act entitled The Red Envelope, where he uses a silk for cover and a body steal. This would mean instead of a table, his custom would be needed to be adjusted.

I found a Wand to Cane much less expensive on eBay for $8, then the $50 Tenyo was asking for theirs. I don't believe the Tenyo product is available any longer.