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Topic: Does Hypnotism Prove The Existence Of Reincarnation?
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jun 13, 2009 09:14PM)
There used to be a therapist here locally who used hypnotic regression to regress his patients to their Previous Reincarnations. Apparently,their remembrances of their previous reincarnations helped them to resolve their current emotional problems. So I was wondering whether or not Reincarnation can be proven by this hypnotic regression?

As I understand it, sometimes there are hoaxes, such as the case of Bridey Murphy. But in that case, the "hoax" was UNintentional since Bridey during her childhood or even her infancy had Unconsciously picked up "biographical" tidbits which she later mistakenly thought were remembrances of reincarnation.

On the other hand, there is the case of Shanti Devi whose hypnotic regression picked up information which only the Dead person would have known, that is, burial-location of a personal belonging which only the Dead person would have known.

I realize that the Bridey Murphy case was a hoax (albeit Unintentional) but I wonder about Shanti Devi.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jun 14, 2009 03:58AM)
Its about as likely to prove alien abductions are real.
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Jun 14, 2009 05:45AM)
Hypnotism does not provide any evidence for the reality of reincarnation, or any other strange belief. It is well known that when you are in a certain sort of talk therapy you provide material for your therapist which conforms to his or her belief system. So if you are in Freudian analysis you will describe different dreams than if you are in Jungian analysis.
I am sure that if you believe in reincarnation (or alien abduction, or whatever you are having yourself) then you will be able to squeeze evidence out of various areas to support your belief. But it's not evidence in scientific terms. It's evidence in wish-fulfilment terms.
Message: Posted by: Mark Davies (Jun 15, 2009 03:27AM)
Hi guy's Ive been a past life regression therapist for years ,the evidence at hand is pretty significant. Before I started doing this I thought that it could be trace memories in the DNA that they were experieceing, but when the the blood line had been broken there was no way of passing it on. Iv'e hundreds of videos of my clients being regressed , and I can say that the majority of evidence was resurched and proven to be factual events ,times, places,and the person in question. And yes the unconcious mind does fill in gaps and can produces false memories. This is then down to the skill of the therapist ,not to lead in any way ,just to direct the time passage and search for information without forcing or inavertantly giving the client information.
Hope this helps cheers Mark
Message: Posted by: Mark Davies (Jun 15, 2009 03:37AM)
Hi Tony , Do you believe in God?.
Message: Posted by: bobser (Jun 15, 2009 05:55AM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-15 04:37, Mark Davies wrote:
Hi Tony , Do you believe in God?.
[/quote]

I have no idea where this is going, but I've started giggling again.
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Jun 15, 2009 08:47AM)
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On 2009-06-15 04:37, Mark Davies wrote:
Hi Tony , Do you believe in God?.
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Of course not. What a bizarre question. What does it have to do with the topic under discussion?
Message: Posted by: Nongard1 (Jun 15, 2009 10:27AM)
Of course hypnotism doesn't prove reincarnation. All religion is faith, and make no mistake, reincarnation is religion. Here is a pretty good video about the mind and religious delusion, the video focuses on Mormonsim, Islam and Christianity, but I would imagine a similar video could be made for reincarnation, or Scientology or any other religious belief set. Agree or disagree with the video, it is a very interesting perspective to see religious belief explained as delusion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVuw1wEuaAQ
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Jun 15, 2009 02:44PM)
Hi Richard. Thanks for that link. Interesting presentation.
Message: Posted by: RSD (Jun 15, 2009 04:23PM)
I perform as a dirty hypnotist. In my city, there is this not for profit hypnotherapist organization. Their leader went of her to make a point to people that I am exploiting them and my hypnosis skills by performing a dirty show. I enjoyed the biggest laugh in recent memory when I found out she makes a living using hypnosis to help people discover their previous life experiences. Some people's kids.
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Jun 15, 2009 05:51PM)
Forgive my ignorance, but what is a "dirty hypnotist"? Sounds intrigueing.
Message: Posted by: Nongard1 (Jun 15, 2009 05:55PM)
A hypnotist who does not bathe. I have been to ALOT of hypnosis conventions. There are many dirty hypnotists....
Message: Posted by: Andy Moss (Jun 15, 2009 07:59PM)
The healthiest attitute is to maintain an open mind as to the possibility of reincarnation. The human body has evolved over many millions of years and (interrelated with it) so has the collective consciousness of the human being. Our 'individual' consciousness (that chord of music,that filtered radio signal, that no-thing ness) is but a facet on the diamond. Where does the facet begin and the diamond end?
Message: Posted by: silverfire9 (Jun 15, 2009 08:15PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-15 18:55, Nongard1 wrote:
A hypnotist who does not bathe. I have been to ALOT of hypnosis conventions. There are many dirty hypnotists....
[/quote]

LOL

Maybe that's why I haven't gone to another convention in a while ...

Joshua
Message: Posted by: dmkraig (Jun 15, 2009 10:36PM)
Hypnosis and PLR doesn't prove or disprove reincarnation.

I don't care whether it's objectively real or not. I do know that the subjective experience of one or more past lives can be very therapeutic.
Message: Posted by: Nongard1 (Jun 15, 2009 11:22PM)
All of us are free to believe whatever we want to. I choose to believe that the entire PLR "movement" is delusional and that it is not a healthy attitude to "keep on open mind" nor do I believe that creating delusional fantasies is ever the prefered method of therapy.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jun 16, 2009 03:01AM)
In a past life I used to think reincarnation was real until I was killed in battle as a Roman soldier. But in this life I don't. I guess it just depends which life you are in at the moment.
Message: Posted by: tiriri (Jun 17, 2009 01:22PM)
I do teach eastern philosophies at a private university here in Quito, and karma and reincarnation are the starting point for one of my courses. Which is at the same time a practical and theoretical one.

Anyway I always tell my students that my course is not on religion therefore I'm not trying to convince them about anything, so I always give them all the different points of view about all the subjects we talk about.

For reincarnation I start telling them the main beliefs that support the theory, then I call another professor, who has being doing past life regressions for at least a decade, to perform one for my students and the results are sometimes unbelievable, like speaking in foreign sometimes death languages and describing people, places and names that they didnít know about consciously or unconsciously.

But, then I tell them that there are other explanations for good regressions that are not necessarily reincarnation, such as information hidden in their on unconscious, Jung's universal consciousness, or the theory of genetic memory.

So I think regressions do not prove the theory of reincarnation, they just prove that they can be used to connect people with the history of humanity. Because reincarnation is a religious belief, very personal, such as the belief in God or angels, that so far is impossible to prove with science.

Best regards,


Giovanni.
Message: Posted by: jessewjoseph (Jun 18, 2009 03:30AM)
On a mildly unrelated note, I've been trying to disprove the theory of relativity with hypnosis. Any thoughts on this?
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jun 18, 2009 11:22AM)
I think its ALL relative.
Message: Posted by: jessewjoseph (Jun 18, 2009 05:20PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-18 12:22, mindpunisher wrote:
I think its ALL relative.
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So we shouldn't practice regression on family members then?
Message: Posted by: bobser (Jun 18, 2009 06:00PM)
Why would I NOT regress a family member? Would that cause any MORE harm than regressing a client off the street?
Message: Posted by: jessewjoseph (Jun 19, 2009 02:27AM)
Heh, "client off the street" made me laugh. Took me back to my days of doing street therapy...
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jun 19, 2009 12:02PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-18 19:00, bobser wrote:
Why would I NOT regress a family member? Would that cause any MORE harm than regressing a client off the street?
[/quote]

If you were to regress your family any furher they would be climbing trees.
Message: Posted by: Tommy_McRock (Jun 19, 2009 01:08PM)
My two pence: hypnosis doesn't prove re-incarnation/past lives.

My reasons being, having moved in various circles I have discovered that Cleopatra and Marie Antoinette must have had multiple personalities from the number of women I know who have been regressed to to relive them. I have also encountered more than one of Robin Hoods Merry men if you'd beleive that, (and he's practically fiction!) and General Wolfe (a tragic Hero of British Imperialism). These are the highlights... I have met tudor and viking peasants and some Irish famine victims... My deductions from this was that most of my hippy friends were just plain gullible ('you? A poor musician with an inflated sense of self worth? Alan-a-Dale? No way!), and my well educated historian friend (aka: Wolfe) has a romantic soul yearning for action beyond his books...

I don't think any facts based on a science of 'suggestion' can be plausibley used as evidence.
Message: Posted by: dmkraig (Jun 20, 2009 11:40AM)
Curious. I've worked PLR with thousands of people and not one was Cleopatra, Marie, Little John or Napoleon. I wonder why it is only the debunkers and mockers who seem to find such people.

Be that as it may, one of the current theories of PLR is the "Pool of Souls" concept. The basic idea is that our memories--here called "souls"-- go, at death, into a large pool. During your life, you are going to need certain experiences, beliefs, concepts in order to evolve (whatever that may mean). As part of this you can tap into the "pool."

The "pool" is like a networked, write-once-read-many-times hard drive. Numerous people can access information that was put in by one person. Thus, if 10 or 1,000 or 50,000,000 people need to access the memories--including feelings, emotions, etc.--of Cleopatra, they can do so.

Of course, the "pool" may not be that of past lives. It may simply be a collection of thoughts. Therefore, it wouldn't be the actual memories of Marie Antoinette, but rather what people think of her. This would be similar to Jung's concept of an aspect of what he (and many licensed psychologists and psychiatrists) call the "collective unconscious" and his concept of "archetypes."

Thus, if this theory is accurate, it allows for multiple people experiencing the life of a single person without the necessity of your "multiple personalities" as you describe in your misogynistic post. No, PLR doesn't prove reincarnation. Again, if this theory is accurate, it would only indicate that we can tap into a common pool of information.

The bottom line, IMO, is not the objective reality of reincarnation, by the incredibly valuable therapeutic tool that Past Life Regression can be in the hands of a trained professional.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jun 20, 2009 01:16PM)
Of course theories are just theories. But the word 'invent' means to find. Which pressuposes that every thing ever invented and what will be invented or discovered already exists. We tap into it.

It is strange how inventors in different parts of the world have come up with same or similar inventions about the same time.

I can't remember the details but there was one case where monkey's were taught to use tools to dig for food. And it was observed that neighbouring monkey's on an island started to develop the same behaviour with no contact.

Sorry I can't remember the details.
Message: Posted by: Greg Arce (Jun 20, 2009 01:40PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-20 14:16, mindpunisher wrote:
Of course theories are just theories. But the word 'invent' means to find. Which pressuposes that every thing ever invented and what will be invented or discovered already exists. We tap into it.

It is strange how inventors in different parts of the world have come up with same or similar inventions about the same time.

I can't remember the details but there was one case where monkey's were taught to use tools to dig for food. And it was observed that neighbouring monkey's on an island started to develop the same behaviour with no contact.

Sorry I can't remember the details.
[/quote]

There was an actual study of this phenomena way back. They tested people with crossword puzzles that first no one saw but the group. Then they tested a group with the same crossword puzzles, but now that crossword puzzle had hit the papers so hundreds of thousands had worked on it.

They also used Japanese poems that little children learn. The same person who wrote most of them was asked to write new ones.

In both test cases they found that people learned stuff faster once others had seen or worked on the same material. It sort of hinted at a collective consciousness.

Greg
Message: Posted by: Greg Arce (Jun 20, 2009 01:41PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-20 14:16, mindpunisher wrote:
Of course theories are just theories. But the word 'invent' means to find. Which pressuposes that every thing ever invented and what will be invented or discovered already exists. We tap into it.

It is strange how inventors in different parts of the world have come up with same or similar inventions about the same time.

I can't remember the details but there was one case where monkey's were taught to use tools to dig for food. And it was observed that neighbouring monkey's on an island started to develop the same behaviour with no contact.

Sorry I can't remember the details.
[/quote]

There was an actual study of this phenomena way back. They tested people with crossword puzzles that first no one saw but the group then tested a group with the same crossword puzzles, but now that crossword puzzle had hit the papers so hundreds of thousands had worked on it.

They also used Japanese poems that little children learn. The same person who wrote most of them was asked to write new ones.

In both test cases they found that people learned stuff faster once others had seen or worked on the same material. It sort of hinted at a collective consciousness.

Greg
Message: Posted by: robini (Jul 19, 2009 08:06AM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-15 15:44, TonyB2009 wrote:
Hi Richard. Thanks for that link. Interesting presentation.
[/quote]

Agreed. Quite interesting. I think I might post it to the ongoing "atheist" thread in the Stand The Test forum.

As to this PLR silliness, if hypnosis hasn't even proven particularly reliable for the [i]accurate[/i] "recovery" of memories in one's current lifetime, which I don't believe it has, how likely is it to be any more reliable for recovering memories from a supposed "past life"?

Of course, I might be a little surprised if some True Believer [i]didn't[/i] pounce on me demanding "evidence" in support of this contention -- as if the burden of proof was mine to [i]dis[/i]prove such an "extraordinary" and unfounded (and I might say utterly "outrageous") claim or belief.
Message: Posted by: robini (Jul 19, 2009 08:16AM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-20 14:16, mindpunisher wrote:
Of course theories are just theories. But the word 'invent' means to find. Which pressuposes that every thing ever invented and what will be invented or discovered already exists. We tap into it.[/quote]

A claim having no evidence supporting it AFAIK.

[quote]It is strange how inventors in different parts of the world have come up with same or similar inventions about the same time.[/quote]

I don't think that's particularly "strange" at all. Chances are it's simply because they were [i]working[/i] on the same idea at the same time, and as likely as not, having similar pre-existing scientific or other information and/or technology to work [i]with[/i] at around the same time.

[quote]I can't remember the details but there was one case where monkey's were taught to use tools to dig for food. And it was observed that neighbouring monkey's on an island started to develop the same behaviour with no contact.

Sorry I can't remember the details.
[/quote]

Obviously without sufficient details it's difficult to comment, let alone [i]accept[/i] it as evidence of anything "extraordinary."
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jul 19, 2009 10:54AM)
Yawnnnnnn!
Message: Posted by: robini (Jul 19, 2009 01:05PM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-19 11:54, mindpunisher wrote:
Yawnnnnnn!
[/quote]

Indeed, fantasies are sometimes more "fun" than mundane facts. I guess that's why many people like to believe them.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jul 21, 2009 04:01AM)
Its also easy to cry proof and appear intelligent and knowledgable when in fact you have nothing of value to add to a thread.

If you want me to dig up the facts I can easily. I'll do the research for $100 an hour. These aren't fantasies they are based upon past readings. so send me $200 by paypal and I will dig up the refrences for you.

Perhaps you should read and study more before making an ass of yourself. Why don't you do the research yourself. You might even learn something.

So many twats on this forum.
Message: Posted by: dmkraig (Jul 21, 2009 10:44AM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-20 14:16, mindpunisher wrote:
Of course theories are just theories. But the word 'invent' means to find. Which pressuposes that every thing ever invented and what will be invented or discovered already exists. We tap into it. [/quote]


Actually, "invent" means "create or design," specific meaning creating or designing something that has not existed before. A similar word, "discover," means find. Thus, you would discover an island, not invent it, and you would invent a new cleaning device that had never existed before, not discover it.

[quote]
It is strange how inventors in different parts of the world have come up with same or similar inventions about the same time.

I can't remember the details but there was one case where monkey's were taught to use tools to dig for food. And it was observed that neighbouring monkey's on an island started to develop the same behaviour with no contact.

Sorry I can't remember the details.
[/quote]

This story was made famous in the book _The Hundredth Monkey_ by Ken Keyes. The actual claim was that some monkeys learned to prefer washing sweet potatoes. They taught this by demonstration to younger monkeys. After a certain number of monkeys learned the behavior, is suddenly appeared in the behaviors of monkeys having no physical contact with the original monkeys.

Although originally based on some superficial studies, Keyes originally presented the information not as fact, but as a metaphor for the power of cooperation. However, this metaphor has been endlessly repeated as fact rather than symbolic myth.

Be that as it may, even if this story is mythic, there is some evidence to support the concept. It was introduced by the biochemist Dr. Rupert Sheldrake in his book _A New Science of Life_ where he called the principle behind it "Morphic Resonance."

I saw him give a presentation, which had been shown on BBC television. It began with showing a large group of people a page with a complex squiggle of lines on it. The people are told that there is a line drawing of an animal hidden within the squiggle. A certain percentage of people saw it. The test was run in Britain and the U.S. and the results were about the same.

Then, the image was broadcast on TV in England, showing how a line drawing of a horse was hidden in the squiggle. Later, another group in England is tested. A larger percentage of people were able to see the horse.

Now, this could have been because many people saw the revelation on TV. However, after the TV revelation was shown in England, people were also tested in the U.S. where there was no TV shown of this and yet the percentage of people who were able to see the hidden image increased by a similar percentage.

Sheldrake proposes some sort of means of communication that is non-physical. That theory may or may not be factual. Debunkers mock it while believers use it to support all sorts of non-physical phenomena.

Whatever the cause and method, the phenomenon is...interesting.
Message: Posted by: dmkraig (Jul 21, 2009 11:08AM)
[quote]
On 2009-07-19 09:06, robini wrote:

As to this PLR silliness, if hypnosis hasn't even proven particularly reliable for the [i]accurate[/i] "recovery" of memories in one's current lifetime, which I don't believe it has, how likely is it to be any more reliable for recovering memories from a supposed "past life"?

Of course, I might be a little surprised if some True Believer [i]didn't[/i] pounce on me demanding "evidence" in support of this contention -- as if the burden of proof was mine to [i]dis[/i]prove such an "extraordinary" and unfounded (and I might say utterly "outrageous") claim or belief.
[/quote]

Robini, I don't know where you come up with these ideas you present as facts when they are actually quite false.

Hypnosis is incredibly reliable for helping people recover memories in one's current lifetime. However, not all hypnotists are capable of doing this forensic work. Your comment is like saying that because doctors who specialize in family medicine consistently fail at brain surgery, then brain surgery isn't very successful.

The facts are that people who have incomplete training in this specialized field of hypnosis still attempt to do it. The result of this has been nothing less than disastrous. In another area you admitted you made claims but had not studied the facts. If you want to actually learn about the facts of the untrained people who have ruined lives because they were not professionals see the book _Return of the Furies_ by Hollida Wakefield and Ralph Underwager.

If you want to learn about how professionals who have studied and been trained in forensic hypnosis have helped people and courts, I would suggest that you contact Inspector Marx Howell, a recognized expert in the forensic application of hypnosis with police departments (he is also an expert at criminal personality profiling). Marx has provided training in hypnosis and criminal investigative analysis to numerous law enforcement personnel throughout the United States. Inspector Howell is a 32 year veteran of the Texas State Police, a graduate of the FBI National Academy, served in the U.S.M.C., and holds a Bachelor of Science degree in Criminal Justice.

Robini, have you taken [i]any[/i] professional, in-person training in hypnotherapy and especially PLR? My guess is that you have never taken so much as one training. If you had, you would know that the position of trained hypnotists is identical to that of professional psychotherapists. Specifically, the objective reality of PLR is irrelevant. The subjective reality of the experience is valuable in that it shows conceptual thinking of the unconscious mind and is therefore useful in therapy.

If you want to make claims without facts to support those claims, that's up to you. However, thanks to the internet, there are always going to be people who will reveal that you are making false claims.
Message: Posted by: JohnRaven (Jul 21, 2009 01:52PM)
Despite any claims to the contrary, there are no legitimate scientific organizations or communities who accept past life regression of existance of reincarnation.

Personally, I don't know. And I tell my students that... I don't know. It's possible that hypnosis allows the person to access their "soul", which might have been through many lifetimes, if you believe in that. Note, that most Christian religions based on the Bible do (or should) take exception since the Bible says that the spirit returns to God and many of them believe in heaven where the spirit would be garbed in robes and flitting about on wings.

It's equally possible that the subconscious mind, with access to every single thing you have heard, seen, read, felt... heard in the background, etc. and creates a subconscious manifestation of what you are asking them about.

Most subjects doing past life regressions WANT to have a past life regression, the scripts most hypnotists use are very leading... and the subconscious would be creating the "memories"... not much different from when I tell people on stage that they won't see me, that I become invisible. Just because they don't believe that they see me, doesn't mean I'm truly invisible. Their minds create the illusion that I am. It's equally possible that everything is being created based on information you've seen, read, etc.

But the fact is, I don't know. And I'm willing to admit it.

I will say this... if pastlife regressions do work... there seems to be an awful lot of Merlins, Arthurs, Joan of Arcs, etc. floating around....
Message: Posted by: dmkraig (Jul 21, 2009 05:14PM)
John, I agree with you that PLR neither proves nor disproves the objective reality of reincarnation. I've said that from the beginning of this thread.

I would point out that your interpretation of the Bible is only one interpretation. It is the most common Protestant and Roman Catholic view, but it is not the only view.

Finally, I've taken thousands of people through PLR, and not one has claimed to be anyone famous. No Merlins, Arthurs, Joans, etc., floating around. In fact, I've known several hypnotists who specialize in PLR, and none of them have ever said that they have lots of people claiming to be famous personalities from the past.

Personally, I think this assumption may be a myth. However, let's assume that this is true. There is actually a theory that could account for it known as the "Pool of Souls." That is, after death your supposed soul, or at least the collection of your memories, goes into a pool with all other souls and/or memories. The theory of reincarnation is based upon the concept that you need multiple lives to spiritually advance. So as you are ready to do so, you choose those memories you need that will help you in your next incarnation. Think of this pool of souls as a sort of "read only memory." You can read those memories and put them into your mind, but you do not take them away from the pool. Therefore, if this theory is valid, it could explain how many people could have memories leading them to believe they are the same famous person of the past.

But as I've stated, I have never seen it and think this is a myth about PLR.

It may be, however, that when I discuss this before taking people through PLR it "programs" them into [i]not[/i] having a memory of someone famous. I don't know. What I do like to share is the comment of famed mystic Dion Fortune, who wrote that a famous past life doesn't give more importance to your current life so much as make one wonder what you did to end up in your current ordinary life.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Sep 29, 2017 08:38PM)
Recently I heard about a Reincarnation book entitled "The Boy Who Knew Too Much." Written by Catherine Byrd, it's about her son who from the age of 2 years old "remembered" he was Lou Gehrig. To make matters even more bizarre, when Catherine was put under hypnotic regression, it was found she was the Mother of Lou Gehrig! Of course I take this with a grain of salt, but what I find highly persuasive are the experiences written in a previous post by a professional therapist who uses hypnotic regression to cure his clients. Although somewhat skeptical, I keep my mind open especially when I see how hypnotic regression is used so effectively as a medical cure.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Sep 29, 2017 09:08PM)
8 years old and this STILL has nothing to do with performance hypnosis.
Message: Posted by: mindmagic (Sep 30, 2017 03:10AM)
[quote]On Sep 29, 2017, Mindpro wrote:
8 years old and this STILL has nothing to do with performance hypnosis. [/quote]

It can do. I've performed with a PLR theme and I know others who do so too. For a simple example have a look at Pastell in M,M & M. If you're going to use this kind of presentation you need to know something about the subject.

I've only just noticed this thread. I'm a hypnotherapist specialising in PLR and I have a few blogs on the subject which you can find at https://barrydcooper.wordpress.com/category/past-life-therapy/

As they aren't connected with performance I won't go into details here.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 30, 2017 03:15AM)
The first hurdle with PLR is the fact that once you hypnotize someone to uncover a "past life" you are suggesting just with that there IS a past life. Which is what makes it SO bogus.

Now used as a therapy remedy might be another case, but as for the "compelling" nature of it not so much.
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (Apr 18, 2018 01:18PM)
I'm sure it does bring in money. It's intriguing and people love to hear about themselves. I've used presentations that are kind of, regression-esque, without ever saying it is regression, myself.

I've been told by folks in the metaphysical community that there's a lot more money to be made in this sort of work than in magic performance, as well. I have no reason to doubt them but I've never bothered verifying myself, as I have no intention at this time of catering to that market.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 18, 2018 01:46PM)
There is always money in taking advantage of desperate people. If you can live work yourself go for it.
Message: Posted by: Djin (Apr 19, 2018 09:19PM)
I know a woman who's hypnosis practice in a new age "wellness clinic" is probably 80% past life regression. That number is her estimate. She does some weight loss and so on, but the vast majority of her clients are paying to go into past life "experiences." She believes it, so do they. I don't, but she never asked my opinion.

I did once see what could have been an interesting premise for a hypnosis show except that the participants and some of the attendees were serious about it. Long story short, I was at an event that turned into a channeling. This guy was presented to us, he sat on a chair, went into some sort of trance,and then he was "channeling" an extraterrestrial entity. He seemed convinced it was a real experience. I thought then and now that hypnosis was part of what was happening. It was a gathering after a fire walk. One of the strangest evenings of the '90s for me and that's no small feat. Lots of stuff happened then and in the time around then (no, there were no drugs involved.) Anyway, I think that someone so inclined could do an act for public entertainment that was built around reincarnation that might go over great in the right circle. Point being, even a thread that goes way off the proverbial reservation might bear fruit for some performer.
Message: Posted by: Senor Fabuloso (May 20, 2018 08:40PM)
What I find most interesting about PLR is most people always were someone famous or hysterically relevant or popular. Why don't people regress to dung carrier or pee bucket person? Just a thought.
Message: Posted by: mindmagic (May 21, 2018 02:34AM)
[quote]On May 20, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:
What I find most interesting about PLR is most people always were someone famous or hysterically relevant or popular. Why don't people regress to dung carrier or pee bucket person? Just a thought. [/quote]

I'm afraid that's a myth. I've carried out many regressions and almost all of the lives that came up were perfectly ordinary.

Barry
Message: Posted by: NightSG (May 22, 2018 02:10AM)
[quote]On Jul 21, 2009, dmkraig wrote:
Inspector Howell is a 32 year veteran of the Texas State Police,[/quote]

32 years with an agency disbanded in the 19th century. Neat trick.
Message: Posted by: Senor Fabuloso (May 24, 2018 05:57AM)
[quote]On May 21, 2018, mindmagic wrote:
[quote]On May 20, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:
What I find most interesting about PLR is most people always were someone famous or hysterically relevant or popular. Why don't people regress to dung carrier or pee bucket person? Just a thought. [/quote]

I'm afraid that's a myth. I've carried out many regressions and almost all of the lives that came up were perfectly ordinary.

Barry [/quote]

I can't argue with your experiences and believe you completely. However a few people I know have been so called PLR and always were somebody popular. My Mom the Queen of Sheba, my brother Rodrigo de Bastidas, a past girlfriend Marilyn Monroe. Just saying.
Message: Posted by: mindmagic (May 25, 2018 03:38AM)
[quote]On May 24, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:

I can't argue with your experiences and believe you completely. However a few people I know have been so called PLR and always were somebody popular. My Mom the Queen of Sheba, my brother Rodrigo de Bastidas, a past girlfriend Marilyn Monroe. Just saying. [/quote]

Sounds unlikely to me. Did they all go to the same hypnotist?
Message: Posted by: Senor Fabuloso (May 27, 2018 08:56AM)
[quote]On May 25, 2018, mindmagic wrote:
[quote]On May 24, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:

I can't argue with your experiences and believe you completely. However a few people I know have been so called PLR and always were somebody popular. My Mom the Queen of Sheba, my brother Rodrigo de Bastidas, a past girlfriend Marilyn Monroe. Just saying. [/quote]

Sounds unlikely to me. Did they all go to the same hypnotist? [/quote]

As "unlikely" as it may sound, it's MY experience with family and friends.
Message: Posted by: mindmagic (Jun 16, 2018 03:25AM)
Hypnosis is not considered as reliable evidence for reincarnation, but there are many studies with young children which are hard to explain away.Have a look here for some pioneering work:

https://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/research/ian-stevenson.html