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Topic: More one-balloon sculptures needed
Message: Posted by: MikeRaffone (Jun 14, 2009 11:29AM)
Recommend books or dvds that teach these single-balloon sculpures using 260q ?

monkey
dinasaur
dragon
snake
penguin
shark
turtle
car


Thanks,
Mike
Message: Posted by: magicgeorge (Jun 14, 2009 12:31PM)
The book I started with "all wind and twists2 (I think it was called) had a lot of those models in single 260 form.
Message: Posted by: Mike Webb (Jun 15, 2009 06:23AM)
Penguin Magic has a good balloon DVD.
Message: Posted by: Bad to the Balloon (Jun 15, 2009 10:30PM)
Why only one balloon? :cry:
Cheap or lazy? ;)
Message: Posted by: Kevinr (Jun 16, 2009 12:37AM)
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On 2009-06-15 07:23, Mike Webb wrote:
Penguin Magic has a good balloon DVD.
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Which video are you talking about that balloon school one? I got that free with a purchase and wouldn't reccomend it. If you want simple stuff that looks good buy Marks Bad To The Balloon DVD's.. (they sell them at Penguin Magic too)

I also reccomend Don Caldwells Mad Hats & Wild Wearables DVD's his stuff is way cool but will take some practice!
Message: Posted by: jakeg (Jun 16, 2009 05:36AM)
Captain Visual's Big Book of Balloon Art along with Mark Byrnes DVD will give you all that you need for any situation.
Message: Posted by: puppeterry (Jun 16, 2009 05:39PM)
Mark, I grew up doing one-balloon creations, so I guess I'm old-school. Since I'm a librarian and work library events, the balloons are given away free, tips are not allowed, and I'm paid the same rate as if I was based at a desk telling people where to find books on training puppies.
Message: Posted by: Bad to the Balloon (Jun 16, 2009 09:02PM)
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On 2009-06-16 18:39, puppeterry wrote:
Mark, I grew up doing one-balloon creations, so I guess I'm old-school. Since I'm a librarian and work library events, the balloons are given away free, tips are not allowed, and I'm paid the same rate as if I was based at a desk telling people where to find books on training puppies.
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got to here:
http://www.balloonhq.com/photos/db/

Then tell me one balloon animals rock!!!
Message: Posted by: Bad to the Balloon (Jun 16, 2009 09:08PM)
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On 2009-06-16 01:37, Kevinr wrote:
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On 2009-06-15 07:23, Mike Webb wrote:
Penguin Magic has a good balloon DVD.
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Which video are you talking about that balloon school one? I got that free with a purchase and wouldn't reccomend it. If you want simple stuff that looks good buy Marks Bad To The Balloon DVD's.. (they sell them at Penguin Magic too)
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Yeah and MARK SELLS THEM TOO....
http://www.BalloonGuy.NET
Support the artist buy direct!!!
Message: Posted by: Kevinr (Jun 17, 2009 01:07AM)
Sorry Mark
Message: Posted by: MikeRaffone (Jun 17, 2009 06:21PM)
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On 2009-06-16 06:36, jakeg wrote:
Captain Visual's Big Book of Balloon Art along with Mark Byrnes DVD will give you all that you need for any situation.
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Got both. Oops, not one single-balloon sculpture in either one. This won't work in the busy restaurant where you have only 3 minutes per table to perform magic and make a balloon animal for each child.
Great resources for hobbyists though.

Mike
Message: Posted by: Steve Yarosko (Jun 17, 2009 07:22PM)
Hey Mike,

I can't comment on the speed that Captain Visual's material can be done. But I can tell you that with a bit of practice, many of Mark's pieces can be done in under three minutes. Just for the fun of it. I just timed myself, and I made Mark's shark hat in under a minute. It used two balloons. I am sure I can make some of his more complicated sculptures in under three minutes. Of course when I am actually working a paid gig, I don't try to work that fast, as I try to interact with the kids and adults. I do know of many professional balloon folks that use Mark's material in their professional careers.

I understand that in your restaurant you only have three minutes to perform magic and make a balloon animal. I usually have a bit more time than three minutes.
Message: Posted by: Kevinr (Jun 18, 2009 01:54AM)
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On 2009-06-17 19:21, MikeRaffone wrote:
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On 2009-06-16 06:36, jakeg wrote:
Captain Visual's Big Book of Balloon Art along with Mark Byrnes DVD will give you all that you need for any situation.
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Got both. Oops, not one single-balloon sculpture in either one. This won't work in the busy restaurant where you have only 3 minutes per table to perform magic and make a balloon animal for each child.
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3 MINUTES?!? ARE YOU KIDDING?...To say "Hello." Then do magic for the entire table also interacting with them and joking with them.. Then do balloons for every child at the table? then collect your tip and say goodbye? All this in 3 minutes without seeming like you wont respond or interact with the family at the table? I don't see this as possible..

I suggest you start doing the balloons on his videos since you have them already.. You will notice your speed will come quickly.. (BUT DOING BALLOON FOR ALL THE KIDS AT A TABLE AND MAGIC IN 3 MINUTES WONT HAPPEN WITH EVEN SINGLE STUFF.) You will start making things on those videos in 60 seconds which is probably the same time it is taking you to make the most simple basic common balloon flower (two balloons) or a simple little one balloon teddy bear (due to so many twists).. Some of the stuff on the video may take 3 minutes at first or more but that will come with doing them over and over.. Like anything in magic, balloons and entertainment... Do it over and over..

I try and limit each balloon creation to 3 minutes or less.. So if there is 3 children I will be on to the next table in 9 minutes.. Usally quicker as I cut the small talk down and when my time is being pressed I move to 3 balloon creations..

When there is one child.. Depending how I feel and how the entertainment is going I am usually onto this next table in 4 minutes... From the time I say hello.. To the time I am walk away.. unless they don't speak english then I am dones usually in 2 minutes or less (NO JOKE.. I cant interact as well)
Message: Posted by: Bad to the Balloon (Jun 18, 2009 08:33AM)
Thanks everyone for the compliments.

Timing....

Bad to the Balloon creations are designed to be done in 30 seconds to 3 minutes per creation. 3 minutes per table is very unrealistic number, especially with magic. I understand it what your trying to do, just don't agree with my 25 years experience.

When doing line work I strive for 2 minutes per with schtick, however no choices. Put on my music loud and just create.

Tableside with balloons and magic 9 minutes is my goal. That is 6 to 7 tables per hour or an average of 28 -50 people entertained.

Point is your not going to get to every table... it is not possible. What you need to do is prioritize your tables. Kid tables come first, then I work from Styrofoam, Dessert, Steaks, salad, drinks and menu. Menu tables are ONLY if requested by the management or server in the weeds.
Message: Posted by: Pokie-Poke (Jun 18, 2009 03:15PM)
Maby 3 min. for the balloon part, after 5 min. or so of magic.
just started work on a vidio of one balloon things.
When in a resterant I do hats. 2-5 balloons each. and do my best to not repete any.
but if I want to show off, I use 1 balloon.
Message: Posted by: MikeRaffone (Jun 19, 2009 04:26AM)
A dinasaur with one balloon?
Message: Posted by: Steve Yarosko (Jun 19, 2009 11:13AM)
Hey Mike,

Let me see if I can describe this. Inflate a 260 almost all the way. Squeeze and stretch to soften. Form the balloon in an "S" shape, but make the top of the "S" longer than the bottom of the "S". Here comes the fun part twist the top of the "S" and one bend of the "S" (three balloon sections), then twist the bottom of the "S" and the other bend in the "S". If you did this correctly, you should get one long bubble which is the head and neck of the dino a loop twist which is the front feet, a three bubble section which is the body, another loop twist for the back feet and a shorter bubble which is the tail. Shape the head and neck and the tail. You have created a dinosaur with one balloon and two twists!!
Message: Posted by: Danny Diamond (Jun 19, 2009 12:26PM)
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On 2009-06-17 19:21, MikeRaffone wrote:
Great resources for hobbyists though.
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I just want to speak up as a guy who owns both of Mark's DVDs and uses his designs in paid work (yes, restaurants included).

If you have only three minutes per table, and the reason is that there are SO many tables to cover, then that restaurant must be doing VERY well - maybe you should suggest them hiring a second magician to help cover all the tables? Three minutes is pretty absurd.
Message: Posted by: rogueclown (Jun 19, 2009 05:31PM)
Mark's DVD's are GREAT !!! Don's MAD HATS series Volume One is worth every penny. Sometimes I just Send Don money because it is that great!!! Nice instructions Steve!!! Entertain with every thing you do. You are selling YOU, not just the magic or balloons.
RogueClown
Message: Posted by: Bad to the Balloon (Jun 20, 2009 06:03PM)
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On 2009-06-19 18:31, rogueclown wrote:
Mark's DVD's are GREAT !!! Don's MAD HATS series Volume One is worth every penny. Sometimes I just Send Don money because it is that great!!! Nice instructions Steve!!! Entertain with every thing you do. You are selling YOU, not just the magic or balloons.
RogueClown
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Hey waiting for my check.....
Nice job on Wipeout!!!
Message: Posted by: rogueclown (Jun 22, 2009 02:40AM)
Check your paypal.
RC
Message: Posted by: Bad to the Balloon (Jun 22, 2009 01:11PM)
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On 2009-06-22 03:40, rogueclown wrote:
Check your paypal.
RC
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Now if I could get 100 more people sending $20 I can make the mortgage ... or Bad to the Ball #3!!

I can't believe you did that! Thanks Eddie.
Message: Posted by: rogueclown (Jun 22, 2009 08:50PM)
Don't use my real Name!!! thanks!
FunnyEddie
Message: Posted by: MikeRaffone (Jun 22, 2009 09:24PM)
Mark - It has nothing to do with being cheap and it has absolutely nothing to do with being lazy. I peform magic primarily and offer balloon sculptures as an extra. If you were to ask any of my past customer, the last thing they would call my show is cheap or lazy.

The reason for the search for more variety of complex one-ballon sculptures is because if the balloon pops while you are making it, you can just do it over where if you are making a multi-sculpture and you get to the 5th balloon and the one of the first balloons pops, you have to scrap it and start all over again. I just don't have that many jokes and lines and especially that much time to kill during a show or strolling at a table and especially if there are 4 or more kids at the table waiting for their balloon, not to mention all the other tables who chose to eat dinner there because of the magician and are waiting. I make fancy balloons such as a motorcycle or guitar with one balloon which people are very impressed with and I am just looking for additional sculptures because of the many repeat customers who keep coming back.

Your dvd has been a great help with learning technique and now am better at the one-balloon sculptures because of it, but having a multi-balloon animal pop when almost done with it leaves me in a bad predicament which is why I am focusing on more complex one-balloon sculptures for the many repeat customers.

Hope this answers the many questions as to why, even though my original post was just asking for additional resources.

Thanks for everyones replies.
Mike
Message: Posted by: Perry D Winkle (Jun 23, 2009 04:29AM)
Here is a really good resource for one balloon animals. It's where I learned the monkey, cat, and frog that I make.

http://www.balloon-animals.com
Message: Posted by: Kevinr (Jun 24, 2009 02:45PM)
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On 2009-06-22 22:24, MikeRaffone wrote:
Mark - It has nothing to do with being cheap and it has absolutely nothing to do with being lazy. I peform magic primarily and offer balloon sculptures as an extra. If you were to ask any of my past customer, the last thing they would call my show is cheap or lazy.

The reason for the search for more variety of complex one-ballon sculptures is because if the balloon pops while you are making it, you can just do it over where if you are making a multi-sculpture and you get to the 5th balloon and the one of the first balloons pops, you have to scrap it and start all over again. I just don't have that many jokes and lines and especially that much time to kill during a show or strolling at a table and especially if there are 4 or more kids at the table waiting for their balloon, not to mention all the other tables who chose to eat dinner there because of the magician and are waiting. I make fancy balloons such as a motorcycle or guitar with one balloon which people are very impressed with and I am just looking for additional sculptures because of the many repeat customers who keep coming back.

Your dvd has been a great help with learning technique and now am better at the one-balloon sculptures because of it, but having a multi-balloon animal pop when almost done with it leaves me in a bad predicament which is why I am focusing on more complex one-balloon sculptures for the many repeat customers.

Hope this answers the many questions as to why, even though my original post was just asking for additional resources.

Thanks for everyones replies.
Mike
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What you are saying is actually the total opposite.. When you make single balloon items if they pop you have to start all over..

When you make multi balloon items you just fix the single part and that's it..

Also sometime single balloon items take longer to make than multi balloon items.. Try making a single balloon poodle on a unicycle.. or a bear.. Then try making Marks two balloon shark hat.. Marks is faster and if it breaks you just repair it.

Make the single item like the bear if it breaks you have to start all over..


Also if you have a great show like you are saying you have and then end the show with cheap balloon scupltures I think you are actuallying taking away from your show.
Message: Posted by: MikeRaffone (Jun 24, 2009 04:26PM)
No problem. Found what I was looking for on a different thread.
Thanks anyway.

Mike
Message: Posted by: Bad to the Balloon (Jun 24, 2009 10:24PM)
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On 2009-06-22 22:24, MikeRaffone wrote:
Mark - It has nothing to do with being cheap and it has absolutely nothing to do with being lazy. I peform magic primarily and offer balloon sculptures as an extra. If you were to ask any of my past customer, the last thing they would call my show is cheap or lazy.
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It was a joke ...Really!! but it did bring out what the problem is. I find hats to be a great way of over coming much of what you speak about. BTW thank you for purchasing my DVDs, I truly hope they are helpful to you.

I don't make "hold" items. WHY? because if little hands with syrup, grease or sharp nails get it & it will break.

Making hats and standing by your rules is how you over come the POP problem. I make hats to wear, if you stick it under the table it will pop... on your head is the best place for it.

If a balloon does pop. I address it right away. First I get comedy, looking like I lost a of mine child. Then I ask "were you wearing it on your head?" Why do you think they call it a hat?

Now reading this I might sound like an A-hole but with proper inflection and the knowledge of where to draw the line it makes great comedy.

Come to a table : "Would anyone like a balloon hat? "
Kids : ME!!!!!!
ME: " I was talking to the adults ...... may they have hats?" ---- YES (In parents head: please shut up my kids already!!)
ME: "I can make anything out of balloons..... within taste and reason"
KID: " I don't want a hat :( "
ME: Really? Where are you going to put this thing I make? No room on the table when the food comes ... It will pop on the floor .... then you will want me to remake it, yeah like I got time for that.... I'll make you a deal if you don't like the hat I make ..... I'll make Dad wear it!!! DEAL?"

This is what works for me .... IF I got to turn and burn the tables it goes like this:
ME: Hi folks may the kids have balloons today? Great .... Hey what is your name sweety (already twisting something) Cool name, and how old are you? .... Wow I was like (whatever they say +2 years) Huh? I am making you a beautiful hat.... Ooooh I got a real busy restaurant today cna I make you something pretty and get to see some other kids? Great that is nice of you, next time I see you if I have time I can make a requested balloon...."

That is the way to makem faster....
Message: Posted by: Bball5630 (Jun 24, 2009 10:47PM)
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On 2009-06-19 05:26, MikeRaffone wrote:
A dinasaur with one balloon?
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The DVD twist with Sam has many one balloon shapes including a dinosaur.

Here's a link to it.

http://www.clownantics.com/balloondvds.shtml

Or you can google Twist with Sam DVD.
Message: Posted by: Bad to the Balloon (Jun 25, 2009 12:07PM)
Another note.... it is much easier to me to make the balloon hat first and put them on kids heads THEN distract them with a visual magic trick. Makes the table exit easier too.
Message: Posted by: magicbjl1970 (Jun 25, 2009 12:54PM)
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The DVD twist with Sam has many one balloon shapes including a dinosaur...

Or you can google Twist with Sam DVD.
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I second the Twist with Sam DVD. It's an excellent DVD. One of the best bang for the buck.
Message: Posted by: Jay Ward (Jul 11, 2009 03:08AM)
I don't think Royal Sorell's Balloongineering Series was mentioned. Came out a few years back, still one of the best, most comprehensive sets of DVDS.
Message: Posted by: Graham Lee (Jul 18, 2009 02:37PM)
Another good balloon website to check out loads of instructions and a model of the month section is; http://www.balloonchat.co.uk