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Topic: Amazing Chinese Cups & Balls Finale
Message: Posted by: lint (Jul 19, 2009 11:14PM)
I extracted this very short clip of the end of a cups routine from the DVD "The Magical Life of Long Tack Sam". Worth picking up if you have any interest in Magic History. No info was given on the performer. What you see here is literally all that was on the disc.


Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jul 19, 2009 11:20PM)
Was that Long Tack Sam?

I saw the movie when it was shown at the MCA convention years ago, but I don't recall that part.
Message: Posted by: lint (Jul 19, 2009 11:28PM)
They visited the hometown of Long Tack Sam trying to track down ancestors and the town is still cultivating magicians and more heavily; Acrobats. The shot was just a passing shot showing some of the towns local magicians.

Great stuff. I am still looking for the perfect set of Chinese cups (bowls).
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jul 19, 2009 11:35PM)
Ah. Thanks for the info. I think I remember that scene now.

I think the perfect set of those would be found in almost any shop that sells Chinese restaurant supplies.
Message: Posted by: Kent Wong (Jul 20, 2009 09:59AM)
This are simply rice bowls that are used in most Chinese restaurants/homes. Many different decorative patterns are available. You can purchase bowls like these in almost any large grocery store in Chinatown.

Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jul 20, 2009 10:24AM)
Lint: Go over to San Francisco and stroll up Grant Ave. I remember going there with JADE when she was shopping for more bowls for her act.

Too bad that clip didn't have what preceded that load.

Years ago I devised a similar thing with a chop cup. You put a piece of paper over the cup, ala drumhead, and passed it over a tiny lit candle... the paper burned IN A FLASH... and Rice fell from the cup extinguishing the flame.

I used a drum head loader from an olde P&L drum head tube. It just happened to fit perfectly.

This guy looks like he used a standard rice bowl gimmick. I wonder what the other bowl on his table did? The one filled with what looks like ground coffee?

Message: Posted by: lint (Jul 20, 2009 10:33AM)
Hi guys. What I should have said is I haven't found a pattern I like on bowls of this nature yet :) I've been through Oakland China town looking, but haven't headed over the bridge to look at their bowls yet.

I also assumed standard rice bowl gimmick here but for a full bowl of soup he seemed slightly rough with it just before he slams it down. On that quick upswing I would be afraid of the gimmick coming loose!

Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jul 20, 2009 11:49AM)
I have posted a way to prepare the bowl. This should work for plastic or ceramic bowls.

Message: Posted by: lint (Jul 20, 2009 02:01PM)
Thanks so much Bill. Very informative.
Message: Posted by: Stanyon (Jul 20, 2009 03:58PM)
Definitely going "south" with his right hand. Ain't simple grand? Why is it we occidentals always over think things?
Message: Posted by: Kent Wong (Jul 20, 2009 04:18PM)
According to my parents, I'm not an Occidental - I'm an Accidental! :)

Message: Posted by: Harry Murphy (Jul 20, 2009 04:48PM)
It looks as if he was doing a rice bowl routine using coffee beans. He really doesn’t do much of a swing of the final bowl. It is a slight upward movement tilting the front of the bowl upward a bit then almost instantly down with a slam/slap. The up – down rhythm seems to keep the gimmick in place. I just tried it with P&L bowls and it works like a charm! After four attempts still no spillage.

My guess is that he used three bowls for a cups and balls routine then (like Roy Benson and his one bowl routine) used one of the bowls with the fourth, loaded, gimmicked bowl to segue into a Chinese Rice Bowls routine.

It looks good thanks for sharing.
Message: Posted by: lint (Jul 21, 2009 11:10PM)
Ann Marie Flemming was kind enough to send me the rest of the footage she had of the performer. Not much more actually :) She said she walked into the room with her camera running and this was all she caught:


Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jul 22, 2009 12:17AM)
That explains a lot, really.
Message: Posted by: lint (Jul 22, 2009 12:31AM)
Yes it does :)
Message: Posted by: Harry Murphy (Jul 22, 2009 06:57AM)
Some modivation and and very good misdirection for the switch. If her camera was aimed a little lower at one point we'd see it (because we're looking for it). Sweet!
Message: Posted by: Lawrence O (Jul 23, 2009 03:38PM)
I think that by using a different cup exchange, some elements of the presentation and the towel misdirection, could serve as a base for a liquid finish with our occidental cups.
Or we could take the best of both worlds and do the routine with a Nielsen tea cup and switch the cup (for example under the table. Then use a solid cup sleight as if a small ball was traveling under the cup (Takagi style, to create time displacement). Then use parts of this liquid finish.

Alltogether I learned something from this thank you Tim.