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Topic: Bill Count
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Sep 1, 2009 07:28PM)
I am looking for a really good(clean)count for counting 10 bills as six. Any ideas.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Glenn Morphew (Sep 2, 2009 12:54PM)
Steve,

I guess it all depends. Are you talking in a close-up, parlor or stage setting? I just took ten bills and counted them singly from hand to hand and did a block push off on the count of 5 and it looked fine and I was just a few feet in front of a mirror. And, the action looked like the natural way I would count money.

Glenn
Message: Posted by: defconskylude (Sep 2, 2009 06:45PM)
These are short change bill counting tricks

It would great if the anyone can add more to this list

"Currency" by Fred Kaps - 11 bill count @ http://www.dennymagic.com
"Hornswoggled Again" by Ron Bauer
"Bunko" by Jim Steinmeyer
"Shorty" by Ray Grismer
"Passing the buck" by Larry West performed by Barry @ http://www.barrysmagicshop.com
"Hornswoggled" by Michael Ammar
"Short Changed" by Ralph Mayer
"Twenty One Dollar Swindle" by Jack Carpenter
"Bill Counting Trick" by Larry West performed by Doc Eason
"Bamboozle" by Bert Allerton
"The Magic of the Forks Hotel" by Jay Malbrough
Message: Posted by: Doc Eason (Sep 3, 2009 12:04PM)
Eric Mead uses a card counting technique that could be adapted to bills. you'll have to search for it.
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Sep 3, 2009 12:15PM)
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On 2009-09-02 13:54, Glenn Morphew wrote:
Steve,

I guess it all depends. Are you talking in a close-up, parlor or stage setting? I just took ten bills and counted them singly from hand to hand and did a block push off on the count of 5 and it looked fine and I was just a few feet in front of a mirror. And, the action looked like the natural way I would count money.

Glenn
[/quote]

This would be close-up and I appreciate the comments.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Feb 1, 2019 02:35PM)
Correctons:

Hornswoggled is by George Starke, not Michael Ammar. It is published in the $10 book "My Best", this effect is worth the price of the book. Don't forget to learn the Dick Tracy card effect also published in this book. You will stun your spectators.

Hornswoggled is so good Jay Malbrough used it for years as the resident magician at the Forks Hotel, and added a surprising climax to it, in his book, "Magic of the Forks Hotel".

https://www.mymagic.com/p/books/magic-of-the-forks-hotel-jay-malbrough
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Feb 6, 2019 07:49PM)
Thanks so much guys.

Steve
Message: Posted by: padre rich (Feb 12, 2019 04:51PM)
LYBRARY.COM will be putting this out in a month or so.will it suit you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyvi9neZ9jU it'll be listed as GYPSY SWITCH.are you willing to wait?...
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Feb 12, 2019 07:44PM)
Now that is going to be confusing, calling it the Gypsy Switch, as there is already a little known bill switch already called by that name. Michael Ammar uses it in his Bill in Peanut routine. I first heard of it, with the "Bill to Key case" effect. It uses a scarf or hanky. Has nothing to do with counting bills, for a short change routine.

You should maybe call your version the Gypsy Short Change of something like that.
Message: Posted by: John Long (Feb 12, 2019 09:07PM)
I agree with Bill that there is already a "gypsy switch", the one I found is in Elliott's "The best in magic" p52. It uses a silk to switch flat objects like coins - it sounds similar to what Bill describes.
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Feb 13, 2019 12:30PM)
[quote]On Feb 12, 2019, padre rich wrote:
LYBRARY.COM will be putting this out in a month or so.will it suit you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyvi9neZ9jU it'll be listed as GYPSY SWITCH.are you willing to wait?... [/quote]

I'm familiar with that count, but not what I am looking for. I actually have 10 Bill's that I need to count as 6. An E*****y c***t would solve the problem but looks awful in my effect.

Best

Steve
Message: Posted by: John Long (Feb 15, 2019 08:39PM)
You are asking for an "under" count. If you find a good one, please post the results of you search
Message: Posted by: padre rich (Feb 17, 2019 10:55PM)
For sale is an entire routine.the GYPSY SWITCH title refers to an envelope switch (that follows the bill count) an authentic gypsy device, that completes the routine,shown to the author in the 70's by jules debarros which appeared in his lecture notes at that time,impossible to find now...the title doesn't refer to the short count...there's more than one gypsy switch...
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Feb 18, 2019 03:19AM)
Well, there shouldn't be more then one Gypsy Switch, you need to distinguish one from the other, as people will not know what you are referring to by just the name.The one we referred to, predates yours, so you have to find another name. And being it is not envelopes we are talking about in this forum, you should find another name, or use the originators name in the title, as in, "Gypsy Switch by Jules Debarros". I hope you got permission from Jules DeBarros to publish is work.
Message: Posted by: padre rich (Feb 19, 2019 12:51AM)
Do you know any armenian gypsies? I do.among their lot it's a general term.there's the gypsy switch with the eggs(blood in the yoke or a tiny bird skull),the envelopes,the newspaper packets,the wallet down the front of the pants,the rings,the handkerchiefs,the candles,the boiling water,the boodle and a host of others.nobody owns it.my aim was to let steve see the count in case it suited his purpose.have PMed him with a better solution that pleases him.to that end your comments were of no help...please don't respond.we're done...
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Feb 19, 2019 04:27AM)
Padre rich, at this point, it is you that I am trying to help understand good ethics in the magic world.
Message: Posted by: padre rich (Feb 19, 2019 03:43PM)
I just spoke w/jon racherbaumer.he published a routine in an early 70's hierophant by eddie fields. fields got it from a carny named "pins" in the 40's and it was called gypsy switch,a coin in hank bit...rach assures me that by now the term has fallen into public domain and you can look for a long shelf life,the meaning being the substitution of one item for a lesser one.like bait-and-switch.it pleases jon to be able to supplement your education.we both feel that your talents as a teacher of ethics might be better utilized on the chinese...for a time I was perhaps jules debarros' best friend.sadly,he was a troubled soul but did outstanding sleight-of-hand and was a deep thinker...he gave to me w/a largess that no one can comprehend...the Café member participation seems down,perhaps because they tire of other members who attempt to ,unwittingly, initiate petty squabbles.will rogers said "it's better to know nothing than to know what ain't so." ...your above posts contain a slight element of bullying and(despite my sincere request) it appears you need to have the last word.my feeling is,this forum is for the sharing of all things magical ,not lecturing people or by being the rule/word police(your posts have typos)..try to keep the 11th commandment "thy shalt not takes thyself too seriously."...steve needed a bill count,he got one from me...next case...and remember,an expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less...
Message: Posted by: padre rich (Apr 6, 2019 03:55PM)
The routine is now available https://www.lybrary.com/gypsy-switch-p-923041.html ............thanks
Message: Posted by: padre rich (Apr 8, 2019 11:32PM)
John,originalguy,am running out of PMs...the bill count's similar to that described in gene gordon's dizzy dollar except the angle of his bills seems unnatural, never saw any of the others you mention explained.i learned the count working a carnival, it's what everybody on the lot did, along w/the PULLBACK w/change...the envelope switch is my modest addition, creating a shorter ROUTINE than the kaps(he uses a wallet),or other routines...it alone's worth the $10,consider the count as lagniappe...
Message: Posted by: John Long (Apr 10, 2019 08:49PM)
[quote]On Apr 9, 2019, padre rich wrote:
count as lagniappe... [/quote]

Wow, I haven't heard that phrase since leaving New Orleans in 1988 (but never knew how to spell it). Are you from there?
For those not familiar with it, it means (I've been told) "a little something extra"

RE: the Gypsy Switch: I looked at the link/ad and giving it some thought.

John
Message: Posted by: RiffRaff (Apr 11, 2019 06:54AM)
Hi padre:
The count looks good, but what's the routine?
Message: Posted by: padre rich (Apr 11, 2019 10:24PM)
John,went to grad school in New Orleans,early '70's.majored in draft dodging.stayed 4 yrs.then on to Hollywood...riffraff,routine explained in LYBRARY advert.briefly,bills counted to spectator twice,he recounts, both times short.remaining eight bills put in envelope, sealed.given to spectator for safekeeping.when opened later, envelope now contains paper...