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Topic: Non USA cards?
Message: Posted by: Robin Parker (Oct 7, 2001 04:29PM)
Thank goodness for the US Playing Card Co. They produce great cards and they therefore help to employ many performers and entertain even more card fans.

I was wondering what the quality of cards is like in other countries, specifically European. Ive had several decks from Russia (they are c**p) and Ive seen cards from China & India. They are best used for toilet paper once softer. What are the cards of UK like?
Message: Posted by: Wallace (Oct 8, 2001 03:11AM)
May I recommend the Fournier cards manufactured in Spain. These are often used by Juan Tamariz which is a good recommendation, IMO.

An added advantage is that Fournier actually PRINTS an assortment of fakes which match the regular decks EXACTLY in colour and quality, their quality control is first grade.

If you have encountered a Dekram Deck you will have seen the standard 505 patterned deck.

Hope this helps. :bigdance:


Wallace B
Message: Posted by: Steve Brooks (Oct 8, 2001 12:44PM)
I've seen those cards Wallace, they are pretty nice, though I still prefer Rider backs. ;)
Message: Posted by: martinkaplan (Dec 22, 2001 08:01AM)
Carta Mundi of Belgium produces a very nice card with a very nice feel. They do a lot of advertising decks for companies in both Europe and the US. Atlantis is one of their commercial brands.
Message: Posted by: bigjoeblue (Dec 22, 2001 10:09AM)
where do you find these cool cards?
Message: Posted by: Paul (Dec 22, 2001 11:25AM)
The Carta Mundi cards vary in quality, thought the Alantis cards are good and what Duvivier uses.

The Piatnik bridge size cards are not bad and were very popular in the UK at one time. They're poker size cards I found did not handle as well though.

Are the Fournier cards and gaffs available outside Spain Wallace?
Message: Posted by: martinkaplan (Dec 22, 2001 11:36AM)
Here is a link to R. Somerville Playing Cards - now located in France. They have over 2000 different decks in stock. They have the Fournier gaffed cards and you can purchase them on line.

Message: Posted by: Damion Corbett (Apr 18, 2002 10:02AM)
If you were to walk into a convenience store in the UK for a pack of cards, you would find that they are c**p.

Most decks that are generally available are cheap looking and quite rigid.

Just out of interest, can you pick up a pack of Bikes at a corner store in the U.S. or do you need to buy them from a magic shop like we do in the UK?
:bikes: :bluebikes:
Message: Posted by: Tony (Apr 18, 2002 10:54AM)
Bicycle and Bee cards can be found at bigger drug toy and retail stores as they're being used for playing and very little for magic---how quickly we forget :magicrabbit:

Message: Posted by: RangeCowboy (Apr 18, 2002 01:08PM)
Being a tight-fisted Scot I really hate destroying a decent deck when doing a T&R or Warp.

I found a supply of Jumbo cards in 99 Cent Stores in California (costs 99c of course)
and the name on the case is Toy Choice Products Commerce, CA 90023 Item #11279

Available in blue or red backs in a sort of Aviator style the deck is made of softer pasteboard than normal but still great value. You can see a picture of one card in action here
Message: Posted by: David Smyth (Apr 18, 2002 01:36PM)
I'm from the UK and (correct me if I'm wrong) one of the main suppliers of cards here is a company that makes cards called 'No. 1'.

Maybe they should add a few 0's to the one, because they're definitely not the best decks for card handling at all.

That's why I stick to Bikes, Bees and I'm about to test out Tally Ho's.

Thanks and I hope that this answers your question...
Message: Posted by: jw_2101 (Apr 18, 2002 10:20PM)
In Singapore, Bee and Aladin are readily available... but, Bee does not have a white border around the back... this is a disadvantage right?

Message: Posted by: vovin (Apr 18, 2002 11:20PM)
In the United States it is rather rare to see a deck of cards that are not Bicycle.
So, I prefer to have most of my gimmicks in the Bicycle format because as it was stated earlier you can find Bicycle cards in almost every pharmacy and grocery store around. thus it doesn't arouse suspicion as a deck of cards that somone wasn't familiar with would.
Message: Posted by: Garrett Nelson (Apr 19, 2002 12:38AM)
Not having a white border is a disadvantage for magic because a reversed card sticks out like a sore thumb. For gambling demonstrations, however, borderless cards are generally preferred.
Message: Posted by: Paul (Apr 19, 2002 03:13AM)
People are not that brand conscious in the U.K. To the viewer, a pack of cards is a pack of cards.

Waddington's No. 1 cards were the best deck here years ago but the quality started to fluctuate (as with Bikes now.) Most corner shops have cheap low quality Hong Kong decks.

Usually the "own brand" of cards sold in W.H. Smiths newsagents are good quality, and recently they even sold patience cards (half size) with the same back design. They are probably made by Carta Mundi.

I was personally thinking of stopping using Bikes.

Paul Hallas.
Message: Posted by: Martin_H (Apr 19, 2002 11:46AM)
Im interested in how much a deck of Bicycle and Tally Ho cards cost now in the U.S.?
Can you give me an average price indication?
Here in Austria/Germany a deck costs 3.30 U.S.$ (3,75 Euro) - Tally Hos are a bit cheaper (3,30 Euro).
In Austria of course Piatnik are used mainly (its an Austrian company), but more by hobby magicians... the ones with more
"professional" approach use Bikes or Tallys. Often seen (more with mental magicians) are Aviator or also steamboat cards.

Forgot one information:
for the German speaking countries and around them, there is one high quality card shop -its situated in Germany and you can find many sorts of cards at a pretty fair price:
give also a good overview (with pictures) how the cards look like!

Another forgotten one (I should go to bed...) A very nice Website about history of playing cards can be found at
with very, very much information about all sort of cards (with a special about :bikes: cards) - have a look its worth it!
Message: Posted by: grieve (Apr 19, 2002 10:37PM)
I can walk to the grocery store here, and pick up a deck of Bikes or Aviators for $2.00. Or I can go to Costco (a giant warehouse store) and by 12 packs of Bikes for $13.00, Or I can order them from various websites,
and get them for about a $1.00 a pack, but then I have to add shipping to that.

I hope this answers your question. If I really tried, I could probably find them cheaper.

Message: Posted by: Paul (Apr 20, 2002 02:16AM)
Saw a fun deck last night, apparently they were available from the Next clothing chain around Xmas. The cards were thin clear plastic!

The pips were all in like a central diamond shape. This was black on the back of the card with the "Next" logo in the middle, which also made it a one way deck. The clear area on the cards seemed to add something to those double lifts I can tell you. When you can see your hand through the card how could anyone expect there could be another card there?

Apparently they have none locally, but if they have a NEXT store in your town (in England) worth checking out.

Paul Hallas.
Message: Posted by: phonic69 (Apr 20, 2002 03:41AM)
And Paul, being plastic they don't crease or bend when you palm them, nor do they get dirty! They are a great addition to your collection, I got some from WOW, again they were a one way deck but they didn't have any advertising on them - first class! I use Bikes simply because all the double backed cards and gimmicked decks seem to come out in that format. Personally, Waddingtons are just as good as Piatnik, but whatever works for you.
Message: Posted by: phonic69 (Apr 20, 2002 03:44AM)
Oh, and another thing... heres a question for everyone:

what colour/size cards do you use? Personally I like blue backs in poker size but thats just my preference!

Message: Posted by: Dante King (Apr 20, 2002 11:30PM)
I myself love Tally Ho's. I think the finish and feel is second to none. I just started playing around with squeezers (from the USPC as well) and find their cambric finish to be very nice too.
Message: Posted by: Allan-F (Apr 21, 2002 08:54PM)
Anyone here ever see a traditional Korean card deck? Very different, yet essentially the same... there are suits and values, and they play similar sorts of games with them, but the suits and values are depicted in a more right-brained way (to use some pop psychology) than the Western deck. It is not as straightforward to read the cards, and more pattern recognition is involved.

I wonder if anyone does card tricks with them? They are small... at least the ones I saw... about 2.5" x 1.5", or something like that, and they are very rigid and inflexible... they'll last forever. But they lack the flexibility that is required for a lot of card sleights, as well as being too small for others.
Message: Posted by: Paul (Apr 24, 2002 03:07AM)
The clear plastic decks I mentioned earlier whilst no longer in the NEXT stores in the UK are in their Next to Nothing discounted item branches. There are not many of these around the country, but there is one in Glasgow and some in the South of England.
If you have one of those stores near you, check them out.

Message: Posted by: Martin_H (Apr 24, 2002 11:27AM)
I really prefer Tally Ho or Bicycle cards - non prefered colour!

Message: Posted by: Simon Williams (Apr 24, 2002 01:33PM)
The funniest thing was when Penn & Teller were over here doing their shows. They were outside and asked a spectator to go to a stall and buy 'an ordinary pack of cards'. He came back with a pack of Bikes!

Well it tickled me anyway. :rotf: