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Topic: Telepathy in Action
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Sep 22, 2009 06:40AM)
I have just read Orville Meyer's Telepathy in Action, an old text that describes a very innovative approach to doing a hypnosis show without hypnotising anyone. I have experimented with this approach myself, but his method seems a lot bolder and more direct than any I had considered.
He has an approach of disguising indirect suggestions as 'telepathic commands' which I found fascinating - and very credible. Basically if you get your volunteers in the grove at the start you will have a great show, with a completely different feel.
Those of you familiar with Kenton Knepper's Kentonism will recognise this as an earlier, less obscure and more practical version of that idea.
Has anyone read it? Tried it? What results did you get? I would love to hear. Tony.
Message: Posted by: Lord Of The Horses (Sep 22, 2009 04:46PM)
Tony,

I have performed it and I have always loved any second of it.

Yes, it's gutsy, ballsy, sneaky... (Insert any similar adjective of your choice) ... yet it works!

I think - and my opinion is subject to change without any express warning ;) - that this is something like the Q&A Act.

Let me explain why - Is this geared toward a beginner? I would say NO! Does it take a strong performer (conviction is in my opinion the only real key here!)? I would say YES! Should one try to incorporate bits of it and progressively go for the full, "naked" version of it? I would say YES!

However, when one has acquired some knowledge under his belt, the next thing he MUST do... is performing it! Some things are only fully gotten thru trial and error!

For your info - My version however is not pure "Meyer" (if anything such that really exists) but it's rather MY OWN final "distillation" of what I know works for me, and I did draw bits and ideas from a lot of different sources.

And for the record - I think that one should also read Ford Kross' SUGGESTIVE MENTALISM / IT AIN'T BODYBUILDING for some great tips on making this work while you are still performing other things (I cannot be more precise than that) and Enrique Enriquez' THE ACT OF IMAGINATION (which is Enrique's take on the concept exposed by Orville Meyer thru George Lyman).

In the recent past, Jerome Finley and I have discussed this performance piece in detail, and I know he is going to publish HIS OWN final "distillation" in his upcoming new book: Thought Veil.

EDIT:

Just wanted to add - Kreskin was in my opinion a master at doing something on this very line of thought.
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Sep 22, 2009 05:22PM)
Thank you Paolo. You have convinced me. I will try this out, with modifications to suit my personality. One final question; what sort of audiences does this work for? I would presume, but I might be wrong, that it would work best on a thoughtful and mature audience, rather than a drunken college crowd. Do you find that you use traditional hypnosis in some circumstances and this approach in different circumstances?
It strikes me that with a routine like this, coupled with a strong Q&A, you would have a complete high-impact act.
Message: Posted by: Lord Of The Horses (Sep 22, 2009 05:53PM)
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On 2009-09-22 18:22, TonyB2009 wrote:
Thank you Paolo. You have convinced me. I will try this out, with modifications to suit my personality. One final question; what sort of audiences does this work for? I would presume, but I might be wrong, that it would work best on a thoughtful and mature audience, rather than a drunken college crowd. Do you find that you use traditional hypnosis in some circumstances and this approach in different circumstances?
It strikes me that with a routine like this, coupled with a strong Q&A; you would have a complete high-impact act.
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This is a broad question, even if I know it does not seem it is at first glance.

First of all, I try to never perform before drunken audiences (of any age and "maturity") so I'm not the best person to know if this would work in such a context.

Although I can imagine one particular Mentalist who performed before tough guys, bikers and similar audiences and that probably COULD pull this off (but then, why would he do that?)

However, with young people this works well. I tell you that in actual case, I once performed that at a beach party that was held in the late afternoon. Lot of young guys and girls who loved this and as soon as I invited them to form a line behind me, they immediately complied and then went along with me all the time (and that's the only thing that really counts here!)

And, yes, I think (personal conviction of mine) that a Q&A, this one, and possibly a final stunt, like finding your paycheck (someone yelled "Kreskin!"?) you could have your full act ready to travel with you, wherever you go.
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Sep 22, 2009 06:20PM)
Thanks - you've answered all my questions. I agree about drunk audiences. They are best avoided. But living in Ireland that is not always possible! It is encouraging that this worked well at a beach party. That's all I need to know. I'm looking forward to trying it.
Message: Posted by: Anthony Jacquin (Sep 23, 2009 03:23AM)
Hi Tony,

if you are sriously planning to use TinA I thoroughly recommend 'Act of Imagination' by Enrique Enriquez. It has a similar principle in play but many subtleties and tips on improving this act IMO.

Ant
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Sep 23, 2009 04:36AM)
Thanks Anthony. I'll check it out, and a few others I have heard about. I love the concept, and I know I will try this out. Tony.
Message: Posted by: PsiDroid (Sep 23, 2009 01:18PM)
And check Ford Kross work. is rare but is very good : lot of suggestion on using pendulum with TIA
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Sep 24, 2009 04:20PM)
Enrique's work on the subject is superb (as are all his offerings, really).

I've not seen Ford's take on the subject - I can imagine it being very good with pendulums as is Cavalli's take on this powerhouse demonstration. TIA has been a regular part of my work for the past couple of years now and I discover new ways to use it in real life situations every single day (the BIG SECRET of the book).

In my experience the pure TIA act is a tough one for hypnotists to pull off at first, at least it was for me. The method(s) are sound and workable, yet there's a desire to want to turn it into a mock hypnosis show, be a hypnotist and stray from the original premise of 'Telepathy' which is something that really gives this act its unique charm and power. Done correctly it is obviously different from a hypnosis show and something within the grasp and skill range of many talented performers.

Like most psychologically bold demonstrations many are hesitant at first to try such a thing and as Paolo said, it's A LOT like performing a great Q&A and takes the same nerves of steel. I've developed quite a few gambits and techniques that cause the whole event to go off without a hitch and make it even much, much stronger than it originally appeared. The final product is a masterpiece show that one can do anytime, anywhere with excellent results.

Tony,

I wish you all the best with this routine. It's phenomenal. I DO already perform TIA with my 'Guerrilla Q&A' as roughly 2/3 of my full evening show (and this is also taught in my forthcoming book 'Thought Veil.'). I open with a series of psychological forces to choose the best participants, go into my TIA sequence with duo audience readings and end the program with a stunning piece of direct mind reading followed by 'Hurling the Headlines.' At no time are there props, gimmicks, stooges, preshow work or covert electronics involved which is also something I'm very proud of :)

Those who can get a few performances of TIA under their belt without having to bail out in the first 5 minutes will be greatly rewarded. As far as telepathy goes, this and Q&A pretty much exemplifies it. It's all one really needs.

-Jerome
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Sep 26, 2009 03:14PM)
Hi Jermoe. Your show sounds like something special - my type of mentalism. No props, gimmicks, stooges, preshow work or covert electronics. Just miracles. Thanks for posting. It gives me something to aim for! Tony.
Message: Posted by: Jerome Finley (Sep 26, 2009 03:48PM)
My pleasure, Tony. You sound like my type of guy!

I wish you all the best with this act - it's something incredibly special and potent indeed.

-J
Message: Posted by: jessewjoseph (Sep 28, 2009 02:10AM)
Sorry to deviate just a little, but what is the appeal in finding one's paycheck?... Unless the magician was SPECTACULAR (or REALLY REALLY awful), I as an audience member wouldn't really care much if he found it or not.

Just one of those Kreskin things that bugs me, I guess. Though I suppose it could be interesting if done with a very small audience?
Message: Posted by: Lord Of The Horses (Sep 28, 2009 12:48PM)
Yes... I wonder what appeal in finding one's paycheck?

Hmmm.... Kreskin must be doing domething wrong as he did that for longer than I can remember...
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Sep 28, 2009 07:11PM)
Kind of like Financial Russian Roulette ... I always thought it was the best part :)
Message: Posted by: Jay Elf (Oct 2, 2009 08:12AM)
Hello.

I heard that "Telepathy In Action" is a pseudo hypno act.
Talking with a pseudo hypno act, it reminds me of "Dr. Q hypno act".

Is there any difference between TIA and Dr. Q act?


@Jay@
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Oct 3, 2009 06:39AM)
There is a huge difference between Dr Q and Telepathy in Action. Dr Q is openly cueing your stooges, whereas Telepathy is far more subtle. I have done the Dr Q routine successfully, and have my own variation on it for suitable audiences (businessmen at a conference who won't admit to being hypnotised, for instance). It works well. But Telepathy in Action, which I look forward to roadtesting on my next suitable occasion, is a grander scheme altogether. It might come close to smacking of the real thing.
The main common factor between both is that you don't need any sort of trance induction to begin. Tony.
Message: Posted by: dsacks (Oct 3, 2009 11:51AM)
Just got TIA -- think that it will be fun to read and as well as being informative - thanks all for peaking my interest, especially after reading the thread.

David
Message: Posted by: bobser (Oct 3, 2009 04:54PM)
I read this a long time ago. If I recall the wording, even then, it was fairly old fashioned or old wordly. Nothing wrong with that but it would need to be changed for today's world. If I recall properly it's a kind of hypnosis show without mentioning the word: hypnosis. Strongly leaning toward social compliance?
The good thing about this, here in the UK, is that you could do a full hypnosis show without any problems with regard to licensing or insurance.
Message: Posted by: Jay Elf (Oct 3, 2009 05:50PM)
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On 2009-09-22 07:40, TonyB2009 wrote:
Those of you familiar with Kenton Knepper's Kentonism will recognise this as an earlier, less obscure and more practical version of that idea.
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Thanx all.

I am a hypnotist, and have a Kentonism book.

Which part of Kentonism has something to do with TIA? The kind of an induction card for a psychological number force in Kentonism book?


@Jay@
Message: Posted by: Lord Of The Horses (Oct 3, 2009 06:00PM)
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On 2009-10-03 17:54, bobser wrote:
I read this a long time ago. If I recall the wording, even then, it was fairly old fashioned or old wordly. Nothing wrong with that but it would need to be changed for today's world. If I recall properly it's a kind of hypnosis show without mentioning the word: hypnosis. Strongly leaning toward social compliance?
The good thing about this, here in the UK, is that you could do a full hypnosis show without any problems with regard to licensing or insurance.
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Fully agree on the possible social compliance bit...

Also, never forget that some people who will simply go along, after a while - because of getting used to follow your suggestions (either explicit or implied) will enter in a real trance (whathever that means!)

This is something most hypnotists know and / or wrote about.
Message: Posted by: bobser (Oct 4, 2009 05:01AM)
..... there of course is an argument as to the difference between being in a trance and being hypnotised. Some believe it's the same thing. I don't.
Message: Posted by: bobser (Oct 4, 2009 02:52PM)
.... I suppose, by definition, that's a fair comment. Therefore it should be moved either to a pvt section or penny for your thoughts where we are allowed to talk of fake methods.
Message: Posted by: briandavidphillips (Oct 12, 2009 03:29AM)
Agreed, Telepathy in Action has a great deal more subtlety than Dr. Q. I also strongly recommend Act of Imagination by Enrique Enriquez. I also love the Invisible series by Enrique but these are not intended as performance pieces per se.

Ford Kross is well worth the looksee.
Message: Posted by: Mark Timon (Mar 17, 2010 06:11AM)
What about the part called "Stage Hypnosis for Mentalists" found in Art of Mentalism 3 by Cassidy.
He describes a very coercive technique for making the volunteers act as he wishes.
any thoughts about that?

Mark
Message: Posted by: Waters (Mar 28, 2010 08:37PM)
I am deeply impressed with all of you who have performed the TIA routine. Each of you has must respect (for having that much "juevos"). I have always been intrigued by the notion, but never tried it as written. This thread gives me a lot of encouragement though.

Thanks,

Sean
Message: Posted by: Lord Of The Horses (Mar 30, 2010 02:06PM)
Sean,

Any detail you need, just e-mail me and I'lldo my best to push you over the edge

However, as simplistic as it may seem, if you read the original work - and even better if you read also Enrique or Jerome or Ford takes on it - you know everything you need to know - the last part is DOING IT!
Message: Posted by: Scott M (Apr 1, 2010 01:10PM)
LOTH,

I would be interested in your resources, could you pm me?

I have been in TIA heaven with Jerome's and Enrique's resources in building a new routine. I would love to incorporate your thoughts as well.

I have been working on the last part you recommend to Sean above...DOING IT! And I LOVE IT!


-Scott M
Message: Posted by: Waters (Apr 2, 2010 06:33AM)
... I just printed out (my ebook edition) of TIA and am committing to study this anew. Thanks again for the encouragement.

With regards,

Sean
Message: Posted by: TonyB2009 (Apr 2, 2010 06:26PM)
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On 2010-03-17 07:11, Mark Timon wrote:
What about the part called "Stage Hypnosis for Mentalists" found in Art of Mentalism 3 by Cassidy.
He describes a very coercive technique for making the volunteers act as he wishes.
any thoughts about that?

Mark
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Similar approaches have been described by performers such as Eddie Bourke in Britain. There is no doubt this is a strong way of getting people on side. It works. I use a similar, though less forceful, approach when doing my induction: "I want you to imagine, visualise, or pretend" is repeated about three times during my induction. But after re-reading Bob's thoughts, I might try his way. It strikes me that his approach will work best on smaller groups of subjects, not the twenty or more you might get on stage during a college gig. But I like it.
Message: Posted by: Scott M (Apr 5, 2010 02:11PM)
This may be obvious to some, but for me, in the understanding of this act is in the development of the premise and how I am to present this. Making the premise fit into who I am and what I do must be believable for me. So that when I am done, I can even offer assistance in developing skills that match up with my premise. I have an overall 'theme' of my presentation that makes this congruent with who I am and am capable of doing.

Also, discovering my premise has helped in how and to whom I will target my performance for and in what ways it will enhance their other programs, workshops and entertainment.

Just a thought or two for someone wondering, "How the heck am I gonna make this work?"

-Scott M.
Message: Posted by: Scott M (Apr 30, 2010 09:34PM)
Just keeping an update on what is available for someone researching TIA...

Jerome Finley has a new manuscript out for awhile now called Performers Choice (PC) and in it has Telepathy in Action of which is his take and is DIFFERENT than what is being released in his Thought Veil course (Telepathy in Action My Way) of which really takes this to another level.

Also in PC is Walk Around Telepathy In Action and another called True Telepathy In Action. All have different components to make this a very convincing bit of entertainment...and even for real.

Recently I added the original by ordering Orville Meyer's version and have to add that it is a must have in putting it all together...and Jerome mentions this in his manuscripts as well.

I have been doing parts of this in practice for a whole routine (as recommended by LOTH in a post above) by leading with some pendulum work and am coming up with my own version for starting TIA. I hope to aquire Paolos version if it is possible. If not...I am having fun with using my imagination with what it would be like.

TONY B...if you are reading this...how are you doing with your routine?

Jerome...thanks again for wonderful material and advancing TIA!!

LOTH...thanks for your posting, as it has caused a web effect in my mind of other possibilities, something your work seems to do.

-Scott M
Message: Posted by: CFI (Mar 3, 2018 09:16PM)
Hi. I was wondering if anyone knows where I can buy a copy of the book by George Lyman, that is mentioned in Orville Meyer’s booklet Telepathy in Action. Meyer speaks of the tile of the routine or the title of the book, Exploring the Labyrinth of the Human Mind? I have run into a stone wall trying to locate the manuscript. Thank you for any help you may have.
Message: Posted by: B.W. McCarron (Sep 8, 2018 02:35PM)
I could find nothing on Lyman's book, either.

But now I wonder: Did Meyer's comment (on page 8) about "this book" refer to his own "Telepathy in Action" and the reference to "Exploring the Labyrinth of the Human Mind" was simply the name of Lyman's act and not a book at all?

Inquiring minds want to know.