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Topic: Black and White Surprise
Message: Posted by: Zackary (Jun 8, 2003 07:53PM)
Does anyone own this effect.I saw it a while back and thought it looked cool but that's it. Then I went to a magic shop this past wednesday on vacation an it looked awesome. If you don't know what I'm talking about you can see it at http://www.magicsmith.com . Basically the effect is this:In one hand you show a white chip. The other hand holds a black chip. Close both hands and, when you open them, the chips are red and blue. The spectators are convinced that you simply turned the chips over. Now wouldn't that be a 'chip' trick? Show both sides of the chips again then close both hands. When you open your hands the chips have changed to green and yellow!Do it again and they cange to red and blue.
If anyone owns this PLEASE post a review.
Thanks,
Zack

I just found a demo here- http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=331 You can kind of see the workings but it is at a bad angle.When I saw it,it looked great.
Zack

The video is of a different trick but same effect.Also can anyone tell me which is better, Black and White Suprise or Color Deception Brass.I'm probably going to get Black and White Suprise because it looks better made.
Zack
Message: Posted by: ChrisMagic52 (Jun 8, 2003 08:16PM)
I had this effect but then I sold it cause I didn't really care for it. I'm not saying this was a bad effect, I just didn't like it.
Message: Posted by: Joey Evans (Jun 8, 2003 09:08PM)
Excellent effect. I do it in all my walk around situations. Great because it is examinable at the end and also acts like a garden path effect. I have both black and white suprise and color deception. I recommend color deception for the simple reason that I really like Magic Makers products.

Joey
Message: Posted by: Zackary (Jun 8, 2003 09:46PM)
Thanks Trikcard,Do they both work the same?Other than the reason you mentioned,which is the best?
Zack
Message: Posted by: Adam V (Jun 8, 2003 11:03PM)
It's a very good effect. Very popular with laypeople because it gives them a chance to 'figure it out' but still has a very nice, simple climax. It's a no-brainer as far as they're concerned.
Message: Posted by: rmendez (Jun 8, 2003 11:33PM)
This is a fabulous effect. I believe the effects are synonymous but the quality is much higher with Black & White Surprise. Personally, I'm a bit of a brass poker chip fanatic and own many single and double chip versions of this effect. Extremely visual magic with a climax finish.
Message: Posted by: Kamal (Jun 8, 2003 11:42PM)
I love Black & White Surprise!

If I found the same qualities in a woman, i'd marry her.... well built, with great performance...
Message: Posted by: Adam V (Jun 9, 2003 12:38AM)
made entirely out of brass...
Message: Posted by: grahamk5 (Jun 9, 2003 02:31AM)
Haven't tried it for a while but it did get a good response. Reset has to be done in private. From what I remember they come in a box and you have to present them in the box each time - you can't just be carrying them around in your pocket - unless someone found a way...

Graham
Message: Posted by: Adam V (Jun 9, 2003 02:40AM)
Carry one in each pocket.
Message: Posted by: CardMaker (Jun 9, 2003 05:30AM)
I love this effect! I customized a business card holder, made from aluminium, black, size of business cards and ... that's the best: real flat! Built a ma***t for easy reset in and that's the way I go! Have a duplicate of that in the other pocket and do the color change in reverse! Well, you need the effect twice, the second one must be changed with the colors - but that's quite easy!
Message: Posted by: joseph (Jun 9, 2003 09:40AM)
Black and White Surprise is excellent, and it can be casually examined afterwards. It is well made, and I highly recommend it. I do not have the Color Deception, but I heard good things about it. :cool:
Message: Posted by: Wolfgang (Jun 9, 2003 10:24AM)
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Reset has to be done in private. From what I remember they come in a box and you have to present them in the box each time - you can't just be carrying them around in your pocket - unless someone found a way...

Graham

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You can carry them in your pocket in one of those dual plastic coin sleeves. Works much better than the box that it comes in.
Message: Posted by: japanjazzy (Jun 9, 2003 11:58PM)
I really like the effect the problem I have is I have done it so much that the gimick falls out with just a little shake. I no longer need to use a ma***t to reset. It makes for a quick reset but also keeps me for letting people look very close at it.
Michael
Message: Posted by: Zackary (Jun 10, 2003 06:46PM)
It looks like everyone is fond of this trick. Thanks to everyone on their info.I think I will be getting Black and White Surprise and Flight 204. If any one else has some info, your more than welcome to add it.
Thanks,
Zack
Message: Posted by: rmendez (Jun 12, 2003 04:00PM)
Actually, I believe "Black & White Surprise" is made in solid brass by Per Clausen from Denmark who is one of the creators of the highest quality magic. I own a set of "Color Deception" by Magic Makers which is an inferior immitation like their "Golden Key" when compared to Viking's "Kineti-Key".
Message: Posted by: bielke (Aug 27, 2003 02:59AM)
Yes, Black & White Surprise (original) is made in solid brass and it comes here from europe.


pierre
Message: Posted by: kihei kid (Aug 27, 2003 06:12AM)
I have color deception and it is a quality item. though I understand kamillion koins is supposed to be the best on the market. Also my presentation is not very good if you come up with something good this trick will fly much better than it does with me.
Message: Posted by: dbolan (Jan 30, 2011 09:05PM)
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On 2003-08-27 03:59, bielke wrote:
Yes, Black & White Surprise (original) is made in solid brass and it comes here from europe.

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I have Black & White Surprise and like it very much.

Dumb question from hre for someone who understands magnetism better than I - can Black & White Surprise be carried in the vicinity of other coins and not wear down? I am thinking of storing and using it in a High Caliber Holster pocket with Holy Moly or Coins a pocket down and am wondering if this is foolish. (I do understnad I'll need a PK ring and some privacy to reset.)

Thanks.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Jan 30, 2011 09:20PM)
I love my black and white surprise. I think the covers can scratch and for that reason it is best to keep them in the case with the foam for longer storage. For an evening out it is probably OK, but the covers are thin metal and I would just be careful.

Great effect - as long as you have the good set from Europe - Belgium if I recall.
Message: Posted by: dbolan (Jan 31, 2011 04:55AM)
[quote]
On 2011-01-30 22:20, saysold1 wrote:
I love my black and white surprise. I think the covers can scratch and for that reason it is best to keep them in the case with the foam for longer storage. For an evening out it is probably OK, but the covers are thin metal and I would just be careful.

Great effect - as long as you have the good set from Europe - Belgium if I recall.
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Great, thanks. And I did mail order B&W Surprise from Europe and have the good set, the Color Deception I had previously had weaker m@#$ets. Thaks for the tips on the covers, it was actually the m#@$et strength I was wondering about but the cover appearance is reason enough to pack things up when through.
Message: Posted by: rmendez (May 19, 2011 01:15PM)
Magic Makers produces inferior quality rip-offs.
Message: Posted by: The Baldini (May 19, 2011 02:52PM)
I see B&W surprise for sale at most magic shops, how do you know if it's the good one or not?
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (May 19, 2011 03:37PM)
The good one is solid brass, heavy - usually in a black plastic box with foam interior. The gimmicks should fit extremely tightly with almost zero movement at all.

The cheap ones are plastic and don't fit nearly as well.

The one at Elmswood I believe is the real deal:
http://www.elmwoodmagic.com/full/close-up-black-white-surprise-per-clausen__126.htm
Message: Posted by: The Baldini (May 20, 2011 08:18AM)
Because of this thread, I dug thru my old stuff and found a complete set, made of heavy brass,and in perfect condition, I had a lot of fun playing with this last night, what made me think to stash it away, this is a winner.
Message: Posted by: rmendez (May 20, 2011 09:28AM)
[img]http://www.davenportsmagic.co.uk/acatalog/black_white_sur.jpg[/img]

As mentioned above, Per Clausen's Black & White Surprise from Denmark is the only version that comes with a durable black plastic box which I seriously doubt anyone would throw out since it was created to tote your chips in. Also, the blue side of one of the chips is a lighter shade of blue compared to the rip-offs. If your chips are not in a box like this then chances are you own Magic Faker's Color Deception.
Message: Posted by: Failed Magician (May 21, 2011 02:30AM)
That looks stunning actually, Richard :)
Message: Posted by: ssucahyo (May 21, 2011 06:02AM)
This was my favourite effect,and the quality itself is great.
I still keep this as my collection though I don't use it anymore.

CC
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (May 21, 2011 07:02AM)
The version I have been enjoying for years is Poker Chip Polka; http://www.vikingmagic.com/?nd=full&key=1824
which is a plastic version of Black and White Surprise.

Another way to carry these around is in one of those cell phone cases that clip horizontally on your waist band or belt.
One can cut off the flap cover for EZ'r access and slip a bit of foam in for a snug spot. Cut out a couple of pockets in the foam for the chips to sit in or slide them in between the foam and the case. These cell phone cases really come in handy to hold all kinds of props.
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (May 21, 2011 08:44AM)
I had Khameleon Chips (another version) and it came with a plastic coin holder. Worked well for carrying them around.
Message: Posted by: kneebarstar (Jul 18, 2013 08:52PM)
I had one very similar to this one but I liked it better and I don't know the name of it. It was only one coin, black on one side and white on the other but when you hand it to someone to observe it was black and white checkered on both sides. The principle was still the same. Also, it would be nice to have a magnet ring on the other hand to be able to "reset" the coin in front of the spectator. If anyone knows the name of this one, I'd like to find it again.

Thanks.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Jul 18, 2013 09:16PM)
Echec and Mat is what your thinking of.
Also made in Europe.A nice chip set.
Todd
Message: Posted by: kneebarstar (Jul 18, 2013 09:32PM)
Thank you, bowers. That's it.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Jul 19, 2013 12:04AM)
I have always loved my Black and white surprise - the Euro made version. Just a delight.
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Jul 21, 2013 01:23PM)
I have a set of Per Clausen's Black & White Surprise and truly is a quality item...Good weight and build overall.

Simple to learn, pretty much self working, and gets 'em good every time!

I don't do the performance that it mentions in the instructions with the card though. I prefer a more simple and direct presentation but either way, a strong effect.
Message: Posted by: Amazing Magic Co (Jul 21, 2013 02:53PM)
I have used this for many many years and love it. I usually carry 2 sets.

Dan.
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Jul 21, 2013 06:25PM)
Good idea having two. For the inevitable "do it again" moment.

Now I know, a good magician doesn't do things twice but if you have two sets, a trick like this is harmless enough for a second run!
Message: Posted by: Amazing Magic Co (Jul 21, 2013 08:35PM)
I prefer not to perform this twice in a row as the impression has always been quite strong. I often used this in sales. It was very common that a sales competitor overly embellish & imply their product was better and had vague studies to prove it. I would encourage my customer to hold that thought as we would create our own study where they could help design the details ... should we put the black coin on the white or the white on black? Of course it would lead to the first color change (not revealing the backs) where I would insist good science would require the study be repeatable now using the other order of coins. I would now show the second color change and then ask what our control sample (the other side of the coins) might show us revealing the next two color changes. Usually they would be most eager to grab the coins finding nothing as these props are very clean. I would then remind about them the point of my example and ask how was our little study was different from what my competitor did when presenting their data? From there, my material was considered fairly. Feel free to drop me a PM if you have any questions as my brief explanation might be a little confusing.

Dan.
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Jul 21, 2013 10:16PM)
Hi Dan,

Sounds like a great routine and context (and you're right about leaving it at one performance). If I ever get around to a second set I'll give your presentation a try (and may pm you for any clarification indeed)!
Message: Posted by: Amazing Magic Co (Jul 22, 2013 09:35PM)
Anytime!

Dan.
Message: Posted by: Phil Tawa (Aug 21, 2013 03:48PM)
When I reset it I like to put a card or business card between the M****t and chip.
It won't damage the paint when there's a buffer.
Black and White surprise is the best one. It's the original. I've had mine since about 1995.
Message: Posted by: IpswichRich (Jun 18, 2014 09:30AM)
Yes, Black and white surprise is terrific. To avoid the possibility of scratching the chips I have been using a small piece of scotch tape to lift the chip. Thanks for the Per Clausen name. It has been years ago and I couldn't recall the name of the maker. Also have their Prediction Chip which is also good 'chip' magic.
Message: Posted by: rmendez (Aug 3, 2015 02:23PM)
There was also a very beautiful rendition created by Eddie Gibson called Checkmate where black and white chips become checkered on both sides. I carry both in my close-up bag and alternate them accordingly depending on my audiences. Women and children absolutely love the color changes.
Message: Posted by: CardMaker (Aug 4, 2015 12:21PM)
I have 2 sets of these, because I luv 'em!
But .... and that's just my 2 cents .... the second set was altered (re-built) to change from colored chips to b/w chips.

So whenever I do the classic transition from b/w to colored; there were some specs who asked how I could repeat this.
So with a quick pocket change I take the (2nd - colored) set and do a colored to b/w transition.

I carry both sets in these business card holders made from (black) aluminium; they are inside foamed with cut-outs for the 2 chips.


Oooops; I just realized that I did the same post on page 1 of this thread - 12 years ago!!!
Gosh, I'm gettin' old.
Message: Posted by: Andy Young (Mar 25, 2016 03:36PM)
Question maybe someone will answer.

Bought a used version and the inserts keep falling out. That is before they are switched to the colors. So as I move my hands there is a chance that they come out. Anybody have a problem with this or a way to fix it?

Thanks
Message: Posted by: Karl M (Mar 26, 2016 06:36AM)
That's normal mine do that,just got to hold them in place mate
Message: Posted by: Andy Young (Mar 27, 2016 10:14PM)
OK thanks. I had the color deception and they stayed in without having to be held.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Mar 28, 2016 10:40AM)
[quote]On Mar 25, 2016, Andy Young wrote:
Question maybe someone will answer.

Bought a used version and the inserts keep falling out. That is before they are switched to the colors. So as I move my hands there is a chance that they come out. Anybody have a problem with this or a way to fix it?

Thanks [/quote]

That is how the trick is supposed to work :-)

Do you have the instructions???

I do not have them anymore but the best made sets have a nice tight fit after the colors change.
Message: Posted by: gtx magic (Mar 28, 2016 03:39PM)
I have a set of these from 20 years ago or so not used them for many years I will have to dig them out.And saysold1 is right "the inserts have to be loose till the trick is competed". The set I have is very good,will try and remember where I got them from.

Graham
Message: Posted by: rmendez (Jan 20, 2019 08:31PM)
Sadly, all good things must inevitably come to an end. Evidently, the classic Black & White Surprise by Per Clausen from Denmark has become collectable and somewhat scarce as available quantities have finally been depleted from what I can surmise. I just ordered my third set because these were among the finest ever manufactured along with the late great Eddie Gibsonís chips. One of the greatest close-up effects ever invented. Angle proof, aesthetically pleasing and extremely visual. Per Clausen also created Chip & Coin Monte, Clausen Chips, Dizzy Chips Deluxe, Echec etc Mat, Holey Chip Miracle, Mirror Chips, Prediction Chips, and Traffic Chip.
Message: Posted by: rmendez (Jan 20, 2019 08:40PM)
A British 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 rendition of the classic Black & White Surprise by Per Clausen of Denmark 🇩🇰 The perfect close-up effect. I donít perform this nearly enough but thatís going to change.

[img]http://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/123151469567_/Colour-Changing-brass-chips-Monochrome-Surprise-easy.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: aligator (Jan 21, 2019 10:07AM)
I had the original a few years back and didn't like it. The chips, as one poster said, are difficult to hold in place.
Message: Posted by: EZrhythm (Jan 25, 2019 06:53AM)
Before performing, LICK'M! Then they will stay in place. :bigdance:
Message: Posted by: joseph (Jan 25, 2019 09:32AM)
[quote]On Jan 25, 2019, EZrhythm wrote:
Before performing, LICK'M! Then they will stay in place. :bigdance: [/quote]

That must be the 'surprise' part.. ;) ...
Message: Posted by: trickymagic (Jul 9, 2019 07:29PM)
Mine (black and white surprise, original) was stolen and I am looking to replace it. Can anyone help point me to someone willing to part with theirs? Preferably a new set, but Im somewhat desperate. Ive have used this trick for over 20 years!!! I am very sad I can not find this anywhere.
Message: Posted by: wulfiesmith (Jul 16, 2019 04:22PM)
This is an interesting thread ...

"Black and White Surprise" appears to be an identical routine called "Casino Coins" ... produced about 20 years ago in the UK by Eddie Gibson.
This "brand name" still appears under the name of Eddie Gibson, but the routine is no longer the same - a great shame.

However ... a great routine.
Absolutely flawless ... a real worker.

wulfie