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Topic: Anniversary Waltz - busted (sort of)
Message: Posted by: derrick (Oct 1, 2009 09:52AM)
I was performing at a wedding party this past weekend and as is customary for me, I made my way over to the bride and groom to perform Anniversary Waltz. For those who might not know, the effect has the couple sign two different cards. They are returned to the deck. The two signed cards are found and then placed between the bride and groom's hands. When their hands are separated, the two cards have become one with the groom's signature on one side and the bride's on the other.

I performed the trick for the newly married couple just as I explained above and even got a gasp out of the bride. Instead of putting the cards back in the box I just spread them on the table next to us. I got the usual how in the world questions and I noticed a 10-12 year old kid going through the cards, I didn't think much about it since it wasn't a gaffed deck. Pretty quickly, he announces the two cards that were signed, were still in the deck. I said of course they are; I can't perform my card tricks without all 52 cards. Everyone seemed satisfied with the reply but I can't help but think a little of sparkle was taken away from the effect. I've never thought about this being as issue in the past and maybe it isn't much of one, but from now on I think I'll be putting the cards back in the box when I am finished with it.

Just thought this was interesting.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Lyle (Oct 1, 2009 10:41AM)
Out of the mouths of babes...!

I don't think anything was taken away from the moment at all! You got the bride to gasp! Awesome! You done good!
Message: Posted by: Barry Donovan (Oct 1, 2009 11:41AM)
I do matthew j dowdens in the hands version of this all the time and never had anyone call me on it.

but think I'll be using your response if I ever am!
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Oct 1, 2009 11:54AM)
I also love this trick.
I just don't let anyone play with my cards, coins, etc. unless I need then to for the purpose of the effect.
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Oct 1, 2009 12:11PM)
God bless the children!

Because, personally, I curse the very day the little bugger's parents even met...
Message: Posted by: derrick (Oct 1, 2009 01:00PM)
Slyhand,

I agree with you about letting anyone handle props until the right moment. In a way I, this was the right moment. I've always felt like letting someone take a look at the deck after revealing the two cards have melted into one, was a big selling point for this effect and really helped drive home the impossibility of what was just seen.
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Oct 1, 2009 01:17PM)
Not when the dups are still in the deck! Palm em out first.
Message: Posted by: SoCalPro (Oct 1, 2009 02:30PM)
Derrick,

I use Carl Andrewsís version. No gaffs, no setup, no hassle and nothing to "discover" after all is done since both sigs end up on 1 card (1 on front and 1 on back).

You did fine....don't worry. Keep up the good work. :)
Message: Posted by: derrick (Oct 1, 2009 10:16PM)
Thanks SoCal,

I've been doing this trick forever, it seems. Just never been called on it before. I really didn't know this was a weak spot in the trick until now, which is why I posted on it. I guess the idea is to at least let others know this could be a weak spot in the routine and watch out for it.

Derrick
Message: Posted by: David French (Oct 2, 2009 07:51AM)
I always take out the duplicate cards prior to the routine. There is always a chancd that the gimicked card and duplicate would be seen at the same time during the routine.

So, I play it safe.

David
Message: Posted by: nonvpro (Oct 2, 2009 10:33AM)
I always remove the duplicate cards from the deck when I perform the Anniversary Waltz as I do with Michael Skinner's Ultimate 3 Card monte. I never let my cards be handled unless it suits my purpose.
Message: Posted by: Barry Donovan (Oct 2, 2009 02:09PM)
Unless I had all my 'DF' the same, say 2d 4h theres no way id take out the dups,
I probably peform this 15 times a gig and its a worker as 1 bit of misdirection (hold on to this pen please) and I'm set up ready to go!
would be a nightmare taking 2 cards out each time unless like mentioned all your DF cards are the same.
also I don't know if its just me but I don't really call on the value of there card, more so heres your signed card.
Message: Posted by: deadcatbounce (Oct 3, 2009 06:20PM)
I'll go along with you there, Barry...at a wedding, I'm up there with the Bride and Groom, in front of the band..the trick goes off and they get the card to keep along with a mini wand and my business card (to frame) .
End of trick. No kids paws get near the cards. At any time.

At a table, same trick - with a married or engaged couple - trick flies, they get the card to keep, and that's it.

No-one gets to handle my props unless they're invited.

Regards,

DCB
Message: Posted by: Shrubsole (Oct 4, 2009 11:22AM)
When I can be bothered (and remember!) I take the dupes out of the deck. (That is recommended in a lot of the inventors instructions)

But mostly, I handle the deck and if needed, I spread them and show them.

If a kid did start going through the deck, uninvited, I'd pick them up and I'd show them saying look, all different and show the front and backs and then put the deck in my pocket.

There are many ways around it and uneven if you do take out the dupes, there are many follow on tricks that work just as well with 50 card as they do with 52. You can even make a joke out of it by saying "Pick a card any card... oh, well, any card apart from the 2 of hearts and the 3 of clubs as they are not in there as they are still stuck together!" Turn to Bride and Groom "Have you got them apart yet? No matter, I'm always working without a full deck" Smile at the naff joke and carry on...

That or "Well it's a magic deck, whatever you take away magically reappears - And they are new ones as they don't have signatures all over them!" - That should be enough to confuse them.
Message: Posted by: MaxfieldsMagic (Oct 15, 2009 12:20AM)
Sounds like a pretty sharp kid. Knew exactly what to look for. Gotta give him that. Lesson learned.

I was doing Jon Alan's coins across from his No Spectator's DVD when a little girl started running around the room, peering up from different angles. Should've probably dealt with it, but I just kept going. Sure enough, she catches a glimpse of the CP while lying on her back and announces, "I see how he's doing it!" Fortunately, she was too polite (relatively) to speak further. Still nailed her with the last vanish and travel, though.
Message: Posted by: WilburrUK (Oct 15, 2009 12:00PM)
Re. Removing the dupes:

Surely one of them is needed to do the trick (or at least it's used as a convincer, near the end that the 2 cards are together).

OK, so you could ditch this bit, but is it worth it ?

If you really wanted to you could palm it off while all the heat's on the fused cards.
Message: Posted by: David French (Oct 15, 2009 12:13PM)
Removing the dupes is for the "latest" version that doc eason uses. He has a display that is much nicer and clearer than the original version he put out. Hence the dupes are not needed.
Message: Posted by: Alym Amlani (Oct 15, 2009 03:08PM)
I don't take out the dupes, but it backfired ONCE. During the display when you show the person that their card is the only one that turned face up (the first time), the dupe happened to be right next to it (i.e. not the one that normally gets shown)...

Kinda awkward, but the spectator didn't actually notice luckily.

Just a word of caution though that this is something to watch for if doing the trick!
Message: Posted by: pepka (Oct 16, 2009 01:44AM)
I do a version with double blanks. Ideas from Seth Kramer, Greg Wilson and myself. EVERYTHING is examinable. I have my own presentation that works with these cards. Once, I had a problem. Someone was so sure that it was 2 cards stuck together, he peeled the signed card apart. Yes, he was splitting the card. He got about halfway and ran back to me to tell me how I "did it." Of course he was wrong, but it didn't matter to him. Since then, the effect has changed. I actually put BOTH cards in their hands. The effect is NOT 2 cards becoming one, but rather a signature jumping off of one card and onto the other. Since then, no problem. I've only shared this idea with a few friends. Curious to see what you guys think.
Message: Posted by: Kevinr (Oct 16, 2009 10:26AM)
[quote]
On 2009-10-01 11:41, Christopher Lyle wrote:
Out of the mouths of babes...!

I don't think anything was taken away from the moment at all! You got the bride to gasp! Awesome! You done good!
[/quote]

"Never try to fool children. They expect nothing and therefore see everything." Harry Houdini
Message: Posted by: evikshin (Oct 21, 2009 10:08PM)
I learned the hard way to always take out the dupes ...I got burnt badly once. Of course I do ultimate fusion, so dupes are not needed. But you couldn't pay me to leave them in.
Message: Posted by: syd_uk (Oct 23, 2009 04:43AM)
Interesting thread. Brings up a lot of audience management issues.

If it's practical, it's always a good idea to remove dupes - just in case one shows up at an inopportune moment in the routine.

Either way, it's a good idea to clean up and remove the deck from play. All attention should now be on the impossible object in the spectator's hands anyway. Some time misdirection here would help. If Anniversary Waltz is not your closer, perhaps do a non-card effect before bringing out the deck again.

But I also echo Max Fields' comment that the kid was pretty clever to know what to look for. Sign him up!

Syd
Message: Posted by: alannasser (Oct 23, 2009 12:23PM)
I have one question: as I was reading this thread I thought to myself that you can remove only one of the dupes, as the other is necessary for showing that both cards have come together in the deck toward the end of the routine. Then WillburUK made the same point, after which David French pointed out that in Doc Eason's latest version no dupes at all are needed. My AW is the Eason version which comes with 3 handlings, the last being Eason's less awkward version, an improvement over the first two, neither of which is Eason's. But it requires that one dupe remain in the deck. Is there yet another version in which Eason improves again on his original improvement? I've had mine for maybe 5 years. Has Doc revised the instruction booklet in the meantime? I can't see how you can "show" the 2 cards side by side toward the end without using a dupe. If the spectators see the 2 cards together, one of them has to be an unsigned dupe. -- If anyone cares to respond, would you please send a pm, as I may not be able to find this thread next time. If you feel it'd be wrong to reveal anything, I'd be happy to know where Doc's new version can be found. Is it just part of the AW you'd purchase now? Thanks much.
Alan
Message: Posted by: vincentmusician (Sep 20, 2020 09:23AM)
Just take the dupes out already. How easy is that. I do Docs latest version. If you can prevent a possible problem from happening, why not do it. I never let anyone handle the deck or any of my props unless it is part of the routine. Cheers! I love performing this.
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Oct 3, 2020 10:22AM)
[quote]On Oct 1, 2009, derrick wrote:
I was performing at a wedding party this past weekend and as is customary for me, I made my way over to the bride and groom to perform Anniversary Waltz. For those who might not know, the effect has the couple sign two different cards. They are returned to the deck. The two signed cards are found and then placed between the bride and groom's hands. When their hands are separated, the two cards have become one with the groom's signature on one side and the bride's on the other.

I performed the trick for the newly married couple just as I explained above and even got a gasp out of the bride. Instead of putting the cards back in the box I just spread them on the table next to us. I got the usual how in the world questions and I noticed a 10-12 year old kid going through the cards, I didn't think much about it since it wasn't a gaffed deck. Pretty quickly, he announces the two cards that were signed, were still in the deck. I said of course they are; I can't perform my card tricks without all 52 cards. Everyone seemed satisfied with the reply but I can't help but think a little of sparkle was taken away from the effect. I've never thought about this being as issue in the past and maybe it isn't much of one, but from now on I think I'll be putting the cards back in the box when I am finished with it.

Just thought this was interesting. [/quote]

Lesson learned. Put them back.
Props should never be handed out unless itís built into a routine for specific reason.
It moves attention away from where it belongs.

In this case they werenít handed out but it still moved attention from the couple and the moment to a bunch of cards and a kid.
Message: Posted by: vincentmusician (Jan 1, 2021 02:00PM)
I agree. Unless it is part of the routine, I never hand out props or tell volunteers to check them out.
Why run when nobody is chasing you.
Message: Posted by: Rodeo (Jan 15, 2021 01:38PM)
I love pepka's comment about using a blank deck with a double blank card. With it being an older comment (over 11 years old) I am sure it is more commonplace now than I am aware of. As he mentioned, this would certainly solve the problem of duplicates (since there is none to remove).

It also takes it away from being a "playing card" trick. Has anyone performed it this way as well as with a regular DF? Same or different reactions?
Message: Posted by: livejeh (Jan 16, 2021 04:49PM)
I donít think he instructed the boy to examine the cards.. You did well :-)
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