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Topic: Ambitious Card Routine: Daryl's Video or Michael Ammar's Easy to Master Card Miracles Volume 2
Message: Posted by: UNREAL (Jun 9, 2003 08:42PM)
Basically, I want to purchase my first card video. I really want to learn the Ambitious Card and I'm thinking about getting Ammar's volume two video because it has that routine plus many others. But is it worth getting Daryl's video instead?
Message: Posted by: ChrisMagic52 (Jun 9, 2003 08:50PM)
I would have to say the Ammar tape for a first Card video because not only do you get to learn the Ambitious Card rotuine, but you get to learn a whole lot of classic card effects, like Card Warp, Twisting the Aces, and Daley's Last trick. :rolleyes:
Message: Posted by: marko (Jun 9, 2003 08:58PM)
Daryl's video contains much more information about the Ambitious Card routine than Ammar's. There's no contest there, Daryl wins.

Ammar merely offers his short version, which is certainly good, but may not fit everyone. However, on Ammar's video, you'll learn such classics as Twisting The Aces, Daley's Last Trick, Card Warp, and MacDonald's Aces among others. So if you're just looking for good strong card magic, you've got to go with Ammar.
Message: Posted by: Mark Martinez (Jun 9, 2003 10:31PM)
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On 2003-06-09 21:42, UNREAL wrote:
Basically, I want to purchase my first card video.
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After reading your post I would recommend getting Ammar's video. If this is truly your first card video Ammar offers more effects for you to add to your repertoire.

The Daryl video has a better Ambitious Card routine, but in my opinion the best time to get this video is when you are ready to start creating your own Ambitious Card routines.
Message: Posted by: phonic69 (Jun 10, 2003 01:33AM)
Go with Ammar, especially if it is your first magic video - he will offer far more that Daryl (in terms of effects).

:)
Message: Posted by: Steven Leung (Jun 10, 2003 05:31AM)
Daryl's tape only covers effect about the Ambitious Card, while Michael Ammar's tape has 10 routines, and they are great routines, not to mention that they are easy to learn.

After you are familiar with Ammar's Ambitious Card routine (to me it is already decent to spectators), then you can go on to Daryl's which will teach you many moves to construct your own Ambitious Card routine.

I hope that this can help you to make the right decision.
Message: Posted by: Paris (Jun 10, 2003 06:01AM)
All of Ammar's Easy to Master Card Miracles are excellent. They are very strong effects, that have been simplified. There is rarely any complicated palming or moves. This is ideal for any new card magician.
Message: Posted by: dillib (Jun 10, 2003 06:13AM)
The Ammar series will be much better for a beginner, because it offers so many more ideas compared to Daryl's Ambitious Card video which just focuses on one routine. Ammar's card videos contain simple, yet powerful magic.
Message: Posted by: Geoff Weber (Jun 10, 2003 08:40AM)
Daryl's Ambitious Card video is geared towards the individual that has a desire to create his own personal Ambitious Card routine.

Ammar teaches a very concise (but effective) Ambitious Card routine, as well as many other powerful effects.

So the question is, would you like to create your own Ambitiousccard routine? The answer to that question will tell you what video to get.
Message: Posted by: Marcelo (Jun 10, 2003 08:45AM)
I suggest the Ammar video too since you will use the other effects in the video, but if is just about the Ambitious Routine, Daryl is far superior and deeper. But, if I were you, I probably would save the money and get a book. Books have more value for the money you will spend.
Message: Posted by: FZandura (Jun 10, 2003 10:38AM)
I was recently in your shoes. I was getting back into magic after a long absence, and had never bought any videos before. My first purchase was Daryl's Encyclopedia of Card Sleights Vol 1, which was very good, but dealt with sleights only.

I then bought Ammar's Easy to Master Card Miracles Vol 2. I am extremely happy with the Ammar video, and am hoping to buy another volume very soon. If you're just now buying you first video, go for the breadth of effects that the Ammar video has to offer. You will be very happy with your purchase!

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Message: Posted by: Bone (Jun 10, 2003 11:06AM)
Unreal,

I suggest you should get both, if not get all 6 vols of Easy to Master Card Miracleds by Ammar.

Daryl's AC is a good and very long routine.

Bone
Message: Posted by: Sean (Jun 10, 2003 11:17AM)
I'll ditto most of the comments here. I have the Ammar DVD and the Daryl DVD. My recommendation is to get the Ammar DVD, learn all the great effects and sleights he teaches, including a decent AC routine, then get the Daryl DVD to build on the Ammar routine.

IMHO, Ammar's ETMCM Vol. 2 is worth the price just for Daley's Last Trick, That's It (if I can figure out that darn thumb sleight!), and Ambitious Card.
Message: Posted by: Magyckmyke (Jun 10, 2003 03:25PM)
Is there a good DVD out yet on card flourishes? Are the McBride tapes good for this?
Message: Posted by: Craig Krisulevicz (Jun 10, 2003 03:45PM)
I don't know of any good flourish Dvd's. McBride's tapes are mainly manipulations with a few flourishes. If you are interested in flourishes, check out flourishman.com. That encyclopedia is worth ten times what it costs.
Message: Posted by: Fred E. Bert (Jun 10, 2003 06:31PM)
Michael Ammar's Easy To Master Card Miracles Vol. 2 was my first magic video and it's a great introduction. The guy at the magic shop just floored me with Card Warp, and I had to have it. This particular video features 5 effects that I do all the time: Twisting The Aces, Dr. Daley's Last Trick, Card Warp, That's It!, and The Ambitious Card. This is more effects that I perform per video than any other video. I highly recommend it.

As far as the Ambitious Card routine, I suggest starting with Ammar's, but make sure you can do a clean double lift before you perform it. If your audience suspects the move, then the magic is gone.

If you like to perform the Ambitious Card, you'll probably end up constructing your own routine. Daryl's video is good for this, but I don't think it features a wealth of moves. Lately, I've been relying on passes and the Erdnase color change in favor of double lifts in my routine (none of which I believe are featured in the Daryl video). Daryl's last phase is really cool (the deck is wrapped with a rope), but Jay Sankey has a similar closing (deck is wrapped with a rubber band), that does not require any preparation, on his Sankeytized videos (I forget which one).

And one last thing -- if you're new to card magic, I highly suggest getting Ammar's Vol. 2. Yes, you'll get more from books. I now prefer books over videos, but had I not gotten my foundation from the Easy To Master Card videos (I got them all), I would have struggled with books.

Start with The Easy To Master series, then move on to books like Paul Harris' Art Of Astonishment, David Regal's books ("Primate" from Close-Up & Personal is an Ambitious Card-type effect that's IMO stronger than an Ambitious Card routine) or Harry Lorayne's Apocalypse (each volume should keep you busy for a decade). Incidentally, Harry Lorayne has a good Ambitious Card routine in his book Close-Up Card Magic, which is another must-have.
Message: Posted by: marko (Jun 10, 2003 06:45PM)
Isn't "Primate" a sandwich effect? It's clever, but no rival to the Ambitious Card.

I'm also strongly in favor of books over videos for various reasons, but the Ammar series is a definite exception, and quite simply contains some of the best card magic you'll find anywhere. As it should be - for these effects are by some of magic's top masters of past and present. I knew over half of the effects already before buying the series, but that didn't stop me from learning new things and refining some old handlings.
Message: Posted by: ThorstenHappel (Jun 10, 2003 06:51PM)
No doubt about it: the Michael Ammar Easy to Master Card Miracles series is a GREAT way to start with in card magic. And the second tape/DVD is a particularly good one. Get as many of the Ammar DVDs as you can, study them, and learn everything you can. Michael Ammar is an excellent teacher.

Once you feel comfortable with a deck of cards, you might get Daryl's tape.

And don't forget to read Roberto Giobbi's Card College 1-5. Every single volume will keep you busy for a while. Those are five of the most valuable books about card magic ever written.

Have fun!
Message: Posted by: marko (Jun 10, 2003 06:55PM)
Ammar's finishing up the next three volumes (7,8,& 9) as we speak. Sweet!
Message: Posted by: cyc (Jun 10, 2003 10:59PM)
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On 2003-06-10 16:25, Magyckmyke wrote:
Is there a good DVD out yet on card flourishes? Are the McBride tapes good for this?
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Hi,

What type of flourishes are you looking for? If you want cool card cuts, maybe you should check out Brian Tudor's Showoff 2 (I'm not sure if it's available in DVD format, though).
Message: Posted by: j_juge (Jun 11, 2003 06:52AM)
Ammar is more general. You'll find more than 10 effects.

But if you want an Ambitious Card routine, I think Daryl is better. It's a video on the Ambitious Card, so you'll find a great routine and many sleights to do this effect.

So:
Ammar => to learn differents effects.
Daryl => only Ambitious Card.
Message: Posted by: UNREAL (Jun 11, 2003 07:31PM)
Thanks for your input guys. I'll probably be picking up the Ammar video volume two within a week or so. Thanks for the advice.
Message: Posted by: Cardjinx (Jul 16, 2003 01:28PM)
For flourishes go Tudor, or wait for De'vo's DVDs!! and the superhandz DVDs around the corner. Superhandz is the best IMO for flourishes.

Cardjinx :magicrabbit:
Message: Posted by: zombieboy (Jul 16, 2003 02:21PM)
I know Jamy Ian Swiss has a problem with the "Easy to master" tapes because several of those effects take a lot of practice to get down smooth.
Message: Posted by: marko (Jul 16, 2003 02:40PM)
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On 2003-07-16 15:21, zombieboy wrote:
I know Jamy Ian Swiss has a problem with the "Easy to master" tapes because several of those effects take a lot of practice to get down smooth.
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True to a certain extent. However, if one was to start with the first volume and then work their way up, they would find the videos start at nearly self-working and build up to more challenging material. It's more a series for teaching the classics of card magic than just the easiest ones. Which is all the better.
Message: Posted by: NachoNut (Jul 16, 2003 03:48PM)
I'm going to have to go with the majority on this one. As my first video, Daryl's was a great starter for the ambitious card.
Although I do have most of the Ammar videos, they are a good runner up to follow the ambitious card. But definitely get whatever you could.
Message: Posted by: WR (Jul 18, 2003 03:57PM)
Now don't get me wrong. In my humble opinion Daryl is a Card god and a good freind BUT... if this is your first video I would suggest that Ammar's stuff would give you a broader range of effects.
Just my 2 Cents,
WR :wow:
Message: Posted by: RoyHolidayMagic (Jul 18, 2003 10:40PM)
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On 2003-07-16 15:21, zombieboy wrote:
I know Jamy Ian Swiss has a problem with the "Easy to master" tapes because several of those effects take a lot of practice to get down smooth.
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Jamy Ian Swiss has a lot of problems.
Message: Posted by: zombieboy (Jul 20, 2003 01:57PM)
That's not very nice. Have you met him?
Message: Posted by: Bigmagictrout (Jul 24, 2003 08:01PM)
Actually, Daryl's ambitious card was one of my first videos, although I have a couple of classic books. I would recommend it, a well done movie. However, like everything, you need some practice!
Take care ;)
Message: Posted by: theoldfort (Jul 25, 2003 02:07PM)
I would also recomend the Ammar video first, and then if you like the ambitious card routine you can get Darryl's for a more in depth guide.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jul 25, 2003 02:55PM)
I would use Ammar's. It's a great routine. Daryl's video doesn't have the classic pop up move. That's what makes this effect worth doing!
Message: Posted by: marko (Jul 25, 2003 03:09PM)
MagicChris, Daryl's video DOES have the pop-up move on it. And no, that move alone does not make the routine worth doing.