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Topic: Badlands Bob(Dice trick)
Message: Posted by: hboy (Oct 12, 2009 02:43PM)
Does anyone know where to get Badlands Bob or other version?
Viking is always out of stock on this item.
I had even seen the Japan magician performed the dice with crystal box version.
I think it is very powerful close-up item.
Message: Posted by: Peter Nardi (Oct 12, 2009 03:04PM)
http://www.alakazam.co.uk/magic-shop/50-general-magic/12450-badlands-bob-by-viking-manufacturing.html
Message: Posted by: hboy (Oct 12, 2009 03:11PM)
[quote]
On 2009-10-12 16:04, Peter Nardi wrote:
http://www.alakazam.co.uk/magic-shop/50-general-magic/12450-badlands-bob-by-viking-manufacturing.html
[/quote]
Thanks for your help. But do you know the size of box and dice?
and is there any USA magic shop sold this item except the original viking.
Thanks a lot.
Message: Posted by: John C (Oct 12, 2009 05:20PM)
I had it, sold it. Didn't think it was that great. It's one of those items you think you HAVE to have and sounds cool but when you get it, it's not so cool after all. That's my experience with this item. I mean, it's made well and all but ...
Message: Posted by: tbaer (Oct 12, 2009 05:39PM)
To me it was more of a puzzle than a trick.
Message: Posted by: Julie (Oct 12, 2009 09:03PM)
This is a good trick--the presentation provided is what makes it good. Instead of the gimmick as supplied I adapted my close-up pad...

Julie
Message: Posted by: dragonash (Oct 13, 2009 01:44PM)
I have never been able to get the die to turn reliably to a specific number.

I have seen one other person do it. He got it to work, but his handling was crude and it seemed obvious. It would be an ok effect if it were more mysterious, but even then it would need great presentation to elevate it.
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Oct 13, 2009 06:14PM)
When Rich used to perform this, I always loved watching it. Never picked one up though. But it seemed to work perfectly for Rich every time.
Message: Posted by: Julie (Oct 13, 2009 07:01PM)
Maybe the original Viking/CW piece works better than the knock-off? I don't mean anything negative to anyone here, but this is a bonafide possibility...

Julie
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Oct 13, 2009 07:07PM)
For those of us Collector's Workshop historians, Badlands Bob was the first piece they sold that they didn't manufacture. I never liked the way the die was made, specifically the 1 side (the gimmick)...since if you looked in the (albeit TINY) window, it didn't look right. Still have my original BB from 1988. Sits in a display case.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Robert M (Oct 13, 2009 07:42PM)
[quote]
On 2009-10-13 20:07, Stevethomas wrote:
For those of us Collector's Workshop historians, Badlands Bob was the first piece they sold that they didn't manufacture. I never liked the way the die was made, specifically the 1 side (the gimmick)...since if you looked in the (albeit TINY) window, it didn't look right. Still have my original BB from 1988. Sits in a display case.

Steve
[/quote]

Mine, too. In a display case.

Robert
Message: Posted by: Julie (Oct 13, 2009 09:22PM)
For the record: Badlands Bob is and has been owned by Viking/CW for a number of years.

George bought the rights when the original supplier could not keep up with the demand.

Has anyone actually learned the handling well enough to become proficient and then tried it out with real people using the presentation supplied? It is worth the effort.

(The modified close-up pad makes all the difference in the world!)

Julie
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Oct 14, 2009 07:25PM)
[quote]
On 2009-10-12 16:11, hboy wrote:
[quote]
On 2009-10-12 16:04, Peter Nardi wrote:
http://www.alakazam.co.uk/magic-shop/50-general-magic/12450-badlands-bob-by-viking-manufacturing.html
[/quote]
Thanks for your help. But do you know the size of box and dice?
and is there any USA magic shop sold this item except the original viking.
Thanks a lot.
[/quote]

There is a knock-off version called - Obedient Die. You can check it out @:

http://goldsteinmagic.com/close_up_magic.html
http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=878

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Julie (Oct 15, 2009 12:40PM)
The knock-offs seem to miss the entire point of the trick. Check their description of the effect and then check the Viking/CW site...

It's no wonder some magicians don't like the trick.

Buyers of the knock-offs beware!

Julie
Message: Posted by: hboy (Oct 15, 2009 02:01PM)
Thanks for Ustaad's information.
and I agree with Julie's comment.
I also saw Japan reproduce this dice trick.
Why viking stops to produce the original one to offer those who collect original items.
hboy
Message: Posted by: Dick Christian (Oct 15, 2009 02:32PM)
[quote]
On 2009-10-13 22:22, Julie wrote:
For the record: Badlands Bob is and has been owned by Viking/CW for a number of years.

George bought the rights when the original supplier could not keep up with the demand.

Has anyone actually learned the handling well enough to become proficient and then tried it out with real people using the presentation supplied? It is worth the effort.

(The modified close-up pad makes all the difference in the world!)

Julie
[/quote]

I haven't seen the current Viking/CW version, but I have the one that was put out by the ORIGINAL Collectors' Workshop (Rich Bloch and Nick Ruggiero) years before CW was sold to Viking. It's no big deal, but just wanted to correct Julie's statement that "George bought the rights when the original supplier could not keep up with demand." I believe that the correct information is the George acquired the rights to produce and market the effect as part of the deal when he purchased Collectors' Workshop; however, I am certainly willing to stand corrected if I am wrong (I am not privy to the details of the transaction between Rick/Nick and George -- am just a long time friend and customer of the original CW and was one of the early purchasers of "Badlands Bob" when they first put it on the market.)

BTW, when done properly (i.e., original routine using the original props) it is a VERY strong effect.
Message: Posted by: Julie (Oct 15, 2009 09:09PM)
Dick

The transaction to PRODUCE the apparatus occured AFTER George Robinson bought CW. (Honest!)

This is my last post concerning Badlands Bob.

Julie :)
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Oct 15, 2009 10:35PM)
I can very well understand Julie's concern and how she feels regarding the knock-off of the original effect 'Badlands Bob'.

My above post pointing toward the knock-off version was not at all intended to advocate the knock-off, but was meant just as an info that knock-offs dose exists. I am sorry in case my post read that way as it was certainly NOT the intention.

OK, here is the add comparison between the original & the knock-off:-


[b]Badlands Bob by Viking Manufacturing[/b]
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A spectator is asked to try and change the uppermost number on the die by shaking the box, which he soon finds is impossible. The performer then asks the spectator [b]to choose a number between 1 and 6[/b].

The box is simply pushed toward the spectator and lo and behold, [b]the uppermost number now matches the spectator's selected number[/b]!


[b]The Obedient Die (Knock-Off version)[/b]
**********************************
Hand the "Obedient Die" to your spectator. Give them as many attempts as you want, to try and make the die roll in the box.

Then tell them, that the "Obedient Die" is so well trained, that not only does it roll only for you, [b]but that you have it trained to roll a one, EVERY time[/b]!


[quote]
On 2009-10-12 22:03, Julie wrote:
This is a good trick--the presentation provided is what makes it good. [b]Instead of the gimmick as supplied I adapted my close-up pad...[/b]
[/quote]

[quote]
On 2009-10-13 22:22, Julie wrote:
[b](The modified close-up pad makes all the difference in the world!)[/b]
[/quote]

Is the close-up pad adaptation mentioned in the instructions supplied with [b]Badlands Bob[/b]?

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: runawayjag (Oct 16, 2009 12:03AM)
Actually, Badlands Bob is a rip-off of a VERY old trick, I believe created by Joe Berg. The effect and apparatus is exactly the same. It was sold through Tannen's back in the 60's-70's. So, let's not pay too much homage to CW on this particular item.
Message: Posted by: Dick Christian (Oct 16, 2009 08:05AM)
For Julie, runawayjag and other interested parties,

I never said or meant to imply that the original CW either invented or manufactured the effect. Only that I bought mine from them when they first added it to their line. As they carried it before the sale of CW to Viking I assumed that the marketing rights were conveyed as part of the sale and said in my post that I would stand corrected if that assumption was not correct.

I hereby stand corrected.
Message: Posted by: hboy (Oct 29, 2009 11:39AM)
[quote]
On 2009-10-12 16:04, Peter Nardi wrote:
http://www.alakazam.co.uk/magic-shop/50-general-magic/12450-badlands-bob-by-viking-manufacturing.html
[/quote]

It is sold out again?
Message: Posted by: 723sabre (Apr 1, 2011 11:19AM)
Just coming back to this topic to let those out there who had intrest in this, Viking/CW has them available again with some improvements. I purchased one and am impressed on how well it works. That being said, practice is still required. But I am finding that the more I work with it that it's practically silent. To have the die change to a different number with no noise is realy "magical", because, try as they might, a spectator cannot get the die to a different number.

The clear lid is thick with nice small brass screws, the wood is thick and nice looking as well without looking too fancy.

Now my issue is more practice and coming up with a decent story/presentation to use with it. I like the Badlands Bob story, but maybe it needs a modern twist...
Message: Posted by: silverking (Apr 1, 2011 12:47PM)
It's not a strong effect, and really not something I'd spend a lot of time worrying about getting my hands on.

All the purchasers of this effect I've ever met or spoken with either turn around and try to re-sell it, or stick in on their Collectors Workshop "collection" shelf.

It's the classic "magic prop" with no equivalent in the real world..........and there are MANY stronger dice effects you could take advantage of, most for much less money than BB.

(if you insist on getting one, I'd replace the thing you "hold", with the same item that you "wear".
Message: Posted by: Tophie (Apr 1, 2011 01:40PM)
I just received this and it works really well. The die flips instantaneously. It will not flip for the spectator. I need a different patter since the die looks too new and not an antique. Thinking I need to use this with more of a spirit theme.......
Message: Posted by: GhostSurfer (Apr 3, 2011 09:58AM)
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On 2011-04-01 14:40, Tophie wrote:
...Thinking I need to use this with more of a spirit theme.......
[/quote]

Correct. Forget about spec. naming a number; I just use a 'Glorpy'. The knock-off's are truly shocking, steer well clear of those at all costs...

GS
Message: Posted by: foretold (Apr 17, 2011 03:12AM)
Can anyone comment on whether this can be performed entirely in the hands where no table may be available?
Message: Posted by: Tophie (Apr 17, 2011 08:44AM)
If you pick it up and place it in their hands it will work without talking
You can cause the die to flip in their hands, but they will fel it move.
Don't need a table, but the glory idea is great!
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (Sep 11, 2011 02:22PM)
Here is a video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sit4eonCTR4
Message: Posted by: Robert M (Sep 12, 2011 09:53AM)
I bought the new version from Viking Magic, and it works much easier than the original. The gimmick is much nicer, too.

Beautiful little prop.

Robert
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (Sep 12, 2011 11:21AM)
45 dollar:
http://www.vikingmagic.com/?nd=full&key=108
Message: Posted by: Joe Strantz (Sep 28, 2012 12:02AM)
Thanks to all for the posts on the new CW Badlands Bob. Very helpful. I'm planning on picking one up now. Appreciate all the insight. Joe
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (Sep 28, 2012 06:19AM)
I am curious about this effect/puzzle. Can any number be called and made to come up or does it have to be forced some how? Also, can I do the effect more than once in the same performance? Can a two be named and have it change to a two and then take it back and have a four named and have it change to a four etc? Thanks.

-Paul
Message: Posted by: MerlH (Sep 29, 2012 07:35AM)
I use it along with a poker deal and how Bob cheated Blackbeard the pirate here in Calabash, N.C.. A museum is in the works near here about Blackbeard, really, and the die in the box is going to that museum in my presentation. I gets a great reaction.

The Cardshark

btw: Any number mentioned is face up in the box when handed to the spectator. As much as they shake, they can't change the number!
Message: Posted by: Makus (Oct 5, 2013 05:28AM)
I've ordered this small illusion (together with 2 Haunted Memories portraits!) from Grand Illusions Ltd: I like small nice looking devices and I'm a dice collector... I've seen this trick and I thought: I must have this prop in my collection! :)

But now I read some "negative" opinions: difficult to use, need practice and skill and so on...

The little thing seems beautiful to me and for me that's very important, but I've no ideas of the real difficulties in using it or the exact mechanism involved (I've read here about a gimmick or a special close-up pad and/or a glorpy...I'm confused and I fear to understand a very ordinary mechanism under this trick...!): could someone write a P.M. to me, so I could know a little more about what I'll receive?
Message: Posted by: NicholasD (Oct 5, 2013 03:09PM)
I like this effect a lot. In the earlier Viking version, the spectator couldn't choose the one spot. In the recent version, any number can be selected. I found it easy to perform with just a little practice.
Message: Posted by: Makus (Oct 11, 2013 04:39AM)
Received now this beautiful prop: the only problem in performing this, is that my dice turns very abruptly and not in a "normal" slow way as I've seen in the videos. The presentation also is not so clear... it's in english and I must find something different to tell my spectators... (If they choose number 1 for instance! :))

I will study better the videos, to understand the exact movements I have to do...

P.S. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmEhWDnauGQ

In this video the hand is under the prop, but I don't perform well this way: I keep my hand at one side... Which method is the right one?
Message: Posted by: NicholasD (Oct 11, 2013 03:03PM)
Spend a little time just playing with the gimmick, holding it different distances from the box, moving it in different directions to see how the die responds. A little tip: I put some double stick tape on the gimmick. This allows you a little more freedom to be casual.

I like to change it to the selected number, then change it to the one to end. I don't use the Badlands Bob patter.
Message: Posted by: Makus (Oct 12, 2013 12:56AM)
Thanks: good tips! :)
Message: Posted by: RNK (Oct 18, 2013 11:36AM)
Love this! Great effect that's pretty easy to do. You will have to have a good story to make it even stronger but it's well worth the effort coming up with a fascinating story. The reward is much greater and people really are baffled by this.

RNK
Message: Posted by: Brian Tanner (Oct 18, 2013 01:40PM)
I'll share a presentational idea for Badlands Bob with you. I begin with having the box wrapped up in a "Glorpy" handkerchief. I remove the box from the hanky and show the number and explain how no matter how much one shakes the box, the number will always stay the same. Let the specs try to change the number to no avail. I then take the box from the spectator and ask for another number. As soon as the number is called out, I secretly change the die to the number called for and place the die into the "Glorpy" while keeping the changed number from the spectators' view. The hanky is seen eerily moving with the box inside. The hanky is unfolded, the sectator removes the box and finds their selected number has mysteriously risen to the top of the die.

I hope you enjoy this idea and give it a try.

~ Brian
Message: Posted by: Deignan (Mar 26, 2017 06:40PM)
The Badlands Bob effect has always fascinated me for some strange reason or other. It has been on my list for years, and recently I decided to do some research on it. I was tempted by eBay, but the prices were so low and it came from Asia, so I thought that it must be garbage. I was put off briefly when I read that some of you who have it, have relegated it to a shelf, because of it's consistent difficulty or lack of a good effect. Some have even sold it. Well, I went with my gut and ordered it from Viking Magic. It arrived yesterday, and I'm quite pleased with it overall. Coming from Viking, the quality is excellent, as would be expected. After playing with it for a while and getting the hang of it, I find it quite easy to manipulate. No problems whatsoever. If you like the effect that you see or read about, I would suggest that you purchase one from Viking. It is very precisely made. Even after I explained to my wife how it works, she kept saying, "But there's no room for that die to flip over!" And yet it does, for you only.
Message: Posted by: Dr. O (Mar 29, 2017 07:51PM)
I love the effect as well. By all means buy from the source Viking and avoid the copies. There is a routine from Peter Nardi I believe that has the box wrapped in paper from the start which I thought was a neat touch. The spectator opens the package revealing the chosen number.
Message: Posted by: algebraic (Mar 30, 2017 06:35AM)
I like your idea Brian.
Message: Posted by: mikenewman (Apr 3, 2017 10:02PM)
I love Peters version as well

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r4ZjSmJIGf8

Very fun way to perform it.

And beware if you don't buy the Viking version. That would be a bad idea and you will end up like Bob!!!
Message: Posted by: edshern (Apr 5, 2017 08:34AM)
There is now also the Badland Bob's Box made by Magic Wagon and Tony Curtis
(if you can find one;

http://www.tonycurtismagic.com/badlandsbox.html
Message: Posted by: rowdymagi5 (Apr 5, 2017 10:21AM)
[quote]On Apr 5, 2017, edshern wrote:
There is now also the Badland Bob's Box made by Magic Wagon and Tony Curtis
(if you can find one;

http://www.tonycurtismagic.com/badlandsbox.html [/quote]

Very hard to find one.
Message: Posted by: Dr. O (Apr 5, 2017 12:20PM)
Thanks for the video link mikenewman. I think Peters presentation really transforms the effect.
Message: Posted by: Antera (Apr 9, 2017 02:47PM)
This is a brilliant effect now that I stopped using the gimmick supplied and just us a PK Rg....just hold the Viking box to your forehead and bring it down and its done...in any event its much cleaner this way whatever way you perform it...
Message: Posted by: Tony Curtis (Apr 13, 2017 04:03PM)
[quote]On Apr 5, 2017, rowdymagi5 wrote:
[quote]On Apr 5, 2017, edshern wrote:
There is now also the Badland Bob's Box made by Magic Wagon and Tony Curtis
(if you can find one;

http://www.tonycurtismagic.com/badlandsbox.html [/quote]

Very hard to find one. [/quote]

[img]http://www.tonycurtismagic.com/images/magic/badlandsboxdieluxefull.jpg[/img]

Badlands Box Dieluxe will be available in September 2017.

Tony
Message: Posted by: rowdymagi5 (Apr 14, 2017 03:24PM)
Great news! Any idea what the price will be?
Message: Posted by: Tony Curtis (Apr 16, 2017 02:09AM)
[quote]On Apr 14, 2017, rowdymagi5 wrote:
Great news! Any idea what the price will be? [/quote]

Sorry I don't have the retail price at this time but will post an update later.

Tony
Message: Posted by: Tony Curtis (Sep 15, 2017 12:51PM)
[img]http://www.tonycurtismagic.com/images/magic/badlandsboxdieluxethumb.jpg[/img]

Badlands Box Dieluxe is now available.

[url=http://www.tonycurtismagic.com/badlandsboxdieluxe.html]Click Here[/url]
Message: Posted by: algebraic (Sep 20, 2017 07:58AM)
Thanks for the post Tony. My order is in.
Message: Posted by: illusioneer (Jul 11, 2019 02:46PM)
Are the badlands box deluxe boxes still available? Long shot..I know.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jul 13, 2019 07:59AM)
No, long sold out.
Message: Posted by: wulfiesmith (Jul 16, 2019 04:40PM)
A great little pocket effect.
however, the know-how was not for me.

having said that, it is a "worker".