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Topic: When posting about ring and string or ring and rope effects
Message: Posted by: Scott F. Guinn (Oct 19, 2009 12:55PM)
I posted this in a response in another topic, but I think it bears repeating here, where hopefully more people will read it.

There is a pretty big difference between finger ring and string routines (Relentless, Ring Leader, Ray Grismer, etc) and large harness ring (or even solid linking ring) and rope routines (Full Circle, David Williamson, Eric DeCamps, etc).

It always better to give more information rather than less, both when asking the question and giving the answer.

I suggest that in the future, as many of us as possible specify whether we're talking about a [b][i]finger[/b][/i] ring or a [b][i]large[/b][/i] (harness) ring, both in asking questions and in giving answers / resources. It make things so much clearer and easier for everyone concerned, as there is confusion in almost every topic of this type.
Message: Posted by: funsway (Oct 24, 2009 07:56PM)
I also do effects with small harnness rings 11/2-2" and bracelet sized 3-31/2" inches, and even rings smaller than than finger size. So, yes we need more clarification from posters as to size of ring employed, but 'finger' and 'large' doesn't suffice either.

Surely this problem has been explored before somewhere and there is a ready classification available.

maybe Tiny, Finger, Small, Wrist, Large and Body sizes.

And then there are napkin rings ...
Message: Posted by: Larry Barnowsky (Feb 20, 2010 05:28PM)
Good point Scott. Perhaps this can be made into a sticky topic so it can stay at the top.

Larry
Message: Posted by: Hugh Entwistle (Jan 26, 2012 05:04AM)
I agree, rings are often misinterpreted in size when being talked about in forum.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 26, 2012 08:48AM)
Excellent point,Scott!
I am mainly interested --and "do"--a couple of finger ring bits, and a couple of 3 1/2" ring "things". Over the years, I've winnowed out what appeals to, and works best, for me. (selfish, eh?) I do hate to spend a lot of time reading through a method (a few of our esteemed colleagues have a communications problem when it comes to "technical" writing!)only to learn that the method requires a size ring that is not "compatible" with the props that I normally use. I second Larry's motion! --let's make this a STICKY!

Now that I've "joined this show", I'll try to contribute a bit or two that I've been using for about 50 years. I have in mind, an idea by the late Walt Rollins. It was a very neat technique for the Jack Chanin SEFALALJIA concept that Denny Loomis showed me about 1964. --Yes, I know that Stewart James was the "inventor" of the sefalaljia (I think in the '30s) principle. Chanin "put out" a ribbon or rope penetration from a "square" ring. I think Liko Pang did it at an Abbott GTG, and it got called the "Get Together Ring Off" (?) Rollins had a neat "tweak" in which a natural move did the work. There, that's a fairly good "teaser"!!!
Message: Posted by: 204rags (Apr 3, 2013 06:32AM)
This is not about finger size rings, but is with rings. I started using four, two inch metal rings in my Cords of Phantasma stand up trick a few years ago. The reason I did was because of the effect when the metal rings clang down on the floor ---- the sound of the rings banging on the floor is much better then silk hankerchiefs of whatever size floating soundlessly to the floor.
Message: Posted by: roguewave (Jul 5, 2013 07:33PM)
This is a good point to bring up. Speaking of rings, I recently went to Hobby Lobby for the first time in years and there is a huge collection of things that could help out any working magician or hobbyist. In particular I saw a huge variety of metal rings in various types of metals (+ other materials) and sizes. I don't do a ton of ring work, but they have a perfect ring for me to pass over stuff that I plan to levitate. I'm not sure where most of you get your rings and ropes but their selection is huge and their prices are pretty fair, to my eyes.
Message: Posted by: tabrams (Jul 28, 2013 12:13AM)
I'd like to learn Dick Zimmerman's "Dancing Rope" routine, but while there is plenty of video of the act, I can't find info on how to do it. Any help appreciated. Thanks -- Tom
Message: Posted by: KOTAH (Sep 12, 2013 01:42PM)
Finger and large can apply if a routine were built aroun a giant or possibly a circus performer with an unusually large finger.
Some were able to pass a half dolar through their circumference.

then too, a cord or string could be associated with the gordian knot.


Another large ring was worn around the neck of Roman soldiers going into battle. it was a bronze ring called the Ring of Hercules, and was said to endow its wearer with the strength of ten men.


I personally own an ancient ing of Hercules, but still struggle to open certain jars of jam, etc.


Kotah
Message: Posted by: pooofjolly (Sep 2, 2019 07:34PM)
A friend and I were discussing a ring and rope trick tonight. It was a favorite of a now deceased friend who would sit at a table, stand a hardback book up with pages pointing at him,lay both ends of a rope over each book cover (ends are visible to the audience). Then he took a borrowed finger ring behind the book and made to join the ring and rope (with hammer, torch, grinder, etc). The finale is the rope ends are cleanly lifted and the undamaged ring is now on the rope.
Is anyone familiar with this plot or know the name of this trick? It might have used a string, but we think a rope.
Anybody?
Message: Posted by: pooofjolly (Sep 3, 2019 05:19PM)
[quote]On Sep 2, 2019, pooofjolly wrote:
A friend and I were discussing a ring and rope trick tonight. It was a favorite of a now deceased friend who would sit at a table, stand a hardback book up with pages pointing at him,lay both ends of a rope over each book cover (ends are visible to the audience). Then he took a borrowed finger ring behind the book and made to join the ring and rope (with hammer, torch, grinder, etc). The finale is the rope ends are cleanly lifted and the undamaged ring is now on the rope.
Is anyone familiar with this plot or know the name of this trick? It might have used a string, but we think a rope.
Anybody? [/quote]

In some investigating last night I see Fred Kaps has something similar in "Its so simple" called ring off string. I don't have it but if YOU do can you give me an idea if the above plot is similae?
John