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Topic: Some Second Deal Drill
Message: Posted by: AMcD (Oct 26, 2009 01:49PM)
Just to keep this place talking about gambling, go there:

http://www.arnoldmcdonald.org/en/code/index.php?p=6210000

And check the "Push-Off Second Deal Drill #1". It's me explaining to someone (via MSN) a nice drill to practice SD: the alternated deal.

Comments welcome.
Message: Posted by: awimagic (Oct 29, 2009 07:11PM)
Wow excellent work .. thanks a lot :)
I don't know if it was the frame rate of the video or something to do with the particular technique but it seemed to me that the movement of the deck seemed to mask the movement of the thumb giving me the impression of a dead thumb ...

am I seeing it correctly ?
Message: Posted by: AMcD (Oct 29, 2009 07:33PM)
Thx.

No, the thumb is moving, watch in slow motion. I don't move it that much, that's true, but I deal top, second or bottom the same way: not moving the thumb too much. Say it's my dealing style :).

Thanks for your comment, the vid has been watched almost 100 times yet and you're the first to comment! 2 more drills to come.
Message: Posted by: awimagic (Oct 29, 2009 07:48PM)
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On 2009-10-29 20:33, AMcD wrote:
Thx.

No, the thumb is moving, watch in slow motion. I don't move it that much, that's true, but I deal top, second or bottom the same way: not moving the thumb too much. Say it's my dealing style :).

Thanks for your comment, the vid has been watched almost 100 times yet and you're the first to comment! 2 more drills to come.
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oh I started learning the push off SD after watching you and kleptomaniac demonstrate it in videos so I had to comment and thank here...

ofcourse I know your thumb was moving, but at this forum I learnt how much emphasis is put on conveying the movement of the thumb so I became watchful of my thumb movement and in analysing anybody's false deals I watch for the thumb movement ..

the thumb movement often gets masked if the deck is moving too much so I have limited that movement to put more emphasis on the thumb movement.

the other thing I wanted to ask you was the angle with which you present the deck to the onlookers. I have found that it helps to provide cover if I slightly tilt the deck up. its not a full neck tie but its just enough so that the line of sight of the onlookers looking down is aligned with the plane of the deck ... kind of the borderline between neck tie and normal position of the deck.
Message: Posted by: AMcD (Oct 29, 2009 08:26PM)
Awimagic,

I've added a video called "Push-Off Second Deal Dead Thumb", just check it to see the difference. In fact the thumb is not 100% dead but, say, 95% :). As you'll check, the illusion is very good even if the deck used (a Texan) isn't really perfect for SD...

On the videos I put online, I do my best to offer the "best" angles. Best here, means, "bad", just because I want the guys to comment, to help me to improve. Then, I chose angles that allow to see the flaws. You will seldom see me tilting the deck! I hate that and it's a huge tip off. Sometimes I move the hand too much though. I'm working on it.

Doc said once "da thumb must move". He's right. But it depends the style you use for dealing. For years, I've never moved my thumb that much for dealing, that's my style. I've never been caught for that.

Same stuff for the brief size. Some say that the brief must be invisible. But, if you want, I can post vids with huge, very huge briefs, and you'll check that there's not much to see though...

You must try to be perfect, average brief, moving thumb, no tilt at all, not big hand motion. But the truth is that it depends what you aim. Not everyone deals the same way. Then, if your style is not arousing suspicion, well, just keep it.

IMHO, consistency is much more important thant the size of the brief or a perfect moving thumb.

Honestly, do you find the vid with Texans horrible? Yet, the thumb doesn't move, the cards have a logo in the middle and my left hand moves too much...
Message: Posted by: euro76 (Oct 29, 2009 10:04PM)
Hello AMcD
I saw all your works and it was BEAUTIFUL!!!
This may seem stupid but can you show me Double duke or Triple duke?
and if it is possible, I want to see cold double duke stacking which means without set-up.

If I was asking too much, I apologize.
but you seem to really advanced with stacking for me.

Thank you
Message: Posted by: AMcD (Oct 29, 2009 10:20PM)
Triple duke!?

Well, to help a partner is cool (1-Duke). Trapping someone while you help someone else is a bit tricky (2-Duke): it's a lot of work yet to help yourself or a mate. But it's OK, I've got a plenty of examples about 2-Duke. I'll see if I got time left tomorrow.

But stacking for 3 guys at the same time is too much work and cold deck would be a better weapon IMHO.

I don't practice cold stacking that much. It involves to spot indexes while shuffling and it's not really my philosophy :).
Message: Posted by: The Dowser (Oct 30, 2009 12:00AM)
Well euro76, you can keep asking until you find someone to show you (not going to happen) or you can take the answer that was provided you in another thread. As you can see, everyone here thinks that your goal is either impossible or impractical and involves peeking a lot of cards. They don't know how any more than you do. I suggest you re-read my other posts answering your question. Stacking for three in holdem is no more work than stacking for two.
Message: Posted by: euro76 (Oct 30, 2009 12:49AM)
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On 2009-10-29 23:20, AMcD wrote:

Well, to help a partner is cool (1-Duke). Trapping someone while you help someone else is a bit tricky (2-Duke): it's a lot of work yet to help yourself or a mate. But it's OK, I've got a plenty of examples about 2-Duke. I'll see if I got time left tomorrow.

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Thank you
once again, I really admire your work

peace v
Message: Posted by: awimagic (Oct 30, 2009 09:02AM)
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On 2009-10-29 21:26, AMcD wrote:

Honestly, do you find the vid with Texans horrible? Yet, the thumb doesn't move, the cards have a logo in the middle and my left hand moves too much...
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horrible ?? are you kidding ? the illusion was perfect ... that really looked like fair deals... might have to do with the all over back designs but that looked fantastic ...

as far as tiny briefs are concerned experience taught me that it does not matter that much.. infact in order to convey the movement of the thumb one has to push the card enough distance, so no point in maintaining a tiny brief ... may be Doc and Yiannis will differ on this ... Doc uses the bump and I have seen Yiannis's deal with real tiny briefs so I assume they have real good reasons to keep it that way

but for my purposes ( a bit of magic and a bit of show off ) briefs don't' matter too much but I m still struggling with the view of the deck from the top as well as the sound issue ...

thanks again for posting videos ...
Message: Posted by: tommy (Oct 30, 2009 10:02AM)
Excellent. Very natural looking and everthing good.
Message: Posted by: Magic Marine (Oct 30, 2009 11:09PM)
Well done, and the Texans don't look horrible at all!