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Topic: One 5inch or 260 white vs 2 eyeballs
Message: Posted by: revlovejoy (Oct 29, 2009 07:21AM)
I see from a lot of instructional videos that the classic way to make googly eyes is to twist a 5inch round, or a 260 for two eyeballs. I have been using pre-printed eyeballs. The downside is the expense of 2 balloons vs 1, but I am wondering whether there are strong opinions among balloonists on whether eyeball balloons are in some way inferior, or cheating. Any thoughts?
Message: Posted by: Bad to the Balloon (Oct 29, 2009 09:24AM)
Did an Eyeball balloon for a smart Alec kid who thought I couldn't make an eyeball. Very suprised I had printed ones.

Totally depends on effect desired.... Monsters and cyclops Preprinted. Friendly eye balloons and the one with the line not worth the price. I can draw it just as fast.
Message: Posted by: Steve Yarosko (Oct 29, 2009 05:02PM)
I imagine that there are just as many opinions on this topic as there are on the pump vs. mouth inflate debate. I use the eye ball print ( the one with the lines) as well as the friendly eye ball print. I use the friendly eye ball print mostly for fish and Elmo. I use the eye ball print for the Octopus, and various other applications. I also will twist a five inch round in half and draw on a lot of figures as well. If I am making a centerpiece or special sculpture I will use two barely inflated 5" rounds instead one twisted in half. By doing this, I don't have to worry about air leaking from one half to the other.
Message: Posted by: Scruffy the Clown (Oct 29, 2009 09:38PM)
I some times use a white hear divided in two. it's another option, and can be used to make the eyes look like the are bulging out and kinda pointing at something.
Message: Posted by: MiketheMagicDude (Dec 2, 2009 02:32PM)
The problem with the title of the topic is the word "vs"

Use them all. Mix and match. Experiment. Create.

Why not use yellow eyeballs....or red eyeballs for an evil creature.

There is no "one over the other."

NO TWO BALLOON ANIMALS THE SAME!!!!!!

Have fun.
Message: Posted by: Jay Ward (Dec 2, 2009 10:55PM)
I definitely use all three methods for eyeballs. To reiterate the others, just depends on the sculpture. You can also use white hearts instead of rounds, but rounds are cheaper. I make a frog with 2 big round eyes. I tried the prints, but using a round divided with big pupils drawn on looked way better to me. In a pinch, I have used a 260, 350, and white single-dipped bee body for eyes for the exact same frog sculpture. The round still looks best. So, there's no 1 way to do anything - just your personal favorite way. It also may come down to how many types of balloons you want to attempt to stuff in you balloon apron. You can hold onto your white 260 scraps to use for eyes on another sculpture too. And save your red 260 ends for Rudolph's nose!
Message: Posted by: Jay Ward (Dec 2, 2009 11:06PM)
Also to address the last part of what you were saying, Rev. I think part of being a balloon man (or woman) is being prepared with lots of crazy balloons. When a kid asks for a Spiderman, and I finish it off with the actual Spiderman head, they love it! I think having a variety of balloons shows professionalism. And since most folks are expecting a basic sword or dog, putting eyes on a balloon will amaze them. Or as the old folks say around here, get 'em "plumb tickled."
Message: Posted by: Bad to the Balloon (Dec 3, 2009 07:28AM)
Speaking of being prepared....

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Tell Ed I sent you!!
Message: Posted by: Buster Balloon (Dec 4, 2009 05:35AM)
Next to 260s and 350s I use more 5" prints than anything else.

Plus I could never draw anything as detailed as the creepy eyeball or Spider-man prints. I carry Both eyeball designs (creepy and friendly) aliens, smiley faces, pirate skulls, pooh bear, disney princess, marvel super heros, spider man in red and black, batman, skulls, pumpkins, vampires, stars around, flowers around, and butterflies around. And that is just in 5". I carry a lot of larger printed balloons also like the polka dots and some Disney characters. They are life savers when you need to work fast, or just want really clean artwork.

*This is not a paid endorsement. Buster Balloon received no product or other compensation for this gratuitous plug.
Message: Posted by: revlovejoy (Dec 4, 2009 08:19AM)
I love the special balloons. In my short career, I can say that those really catch people's attention and say "professional." They're used to seeing 260s only in 1 or 2 balloon animals. A big googly eyed fishing pole hat is my biggest request once I do one.

I've considered the superhero heads, and I saw the video you did on hats with them, but I haven't committed to get them yet, though I think I may need to. I know you do really impressive work with detail, did you ever have a kid respond to a printed character head with "you're cheating!" ? Or anything like it?

BTW - Don, my daughter is psyched to meet you at T&S in February. She watches my balloon DVDs like entertainment. If Mark were there with the motorcycle too, she'd faint.
Message: Posted by: Buster Balloon (Dec 4, 2009 08:48AM)
I have never been accused of "cheating" for using printed balloons, and I can bust out some pretty fancy art work myself when needed.

On the occasion that I am accused of cheating (usually for using a pump or rubber cement) I simply quote the great poet and philosopher Jesse "The Body" Ventura,

"Win if you can, lose if you must, but always, always cheat".
Message: Posted by: magicone (Dec 4, 2009 09:10AM)
Revlovejoy,

I actually make the same octo/squid that you have in your avatar with the same pre-printed balloons and EVERYONE loves it. I've never had a child or adult for that matter say I'm cheating.

I'm not a full time twister but offer it with my magic shows and I don't consider myself all that good until recently when I started to offer a basic balloon twisting teaching class.

We (people who twist at all) often forget that even the basic dog is hard if you've not done them before. Many times at the end of my magic show/balloons I will have an older sibling or teen come up and ask how I do the balloons so fast and can I teach them.

I always take a moment (when time permits) to try to teach those who ask a basic dog as I like to inspire children as much as entertain them. It also reminds me that it does take some practice to do even the basics.

If anyone says "your cheating" just hand them a balloon and ask them to make you a dog - they might appreciate you more :)

I'd be interested in seeing a photo of your fishing hat!

Thanks,
David
Message: Posted by: Jay Ward (Dec 4, 2009 10:41AM)
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On 2009-12-04 09:48, Buster Balloon wrote:
On the occasion that I am accused of cheating (usually for using a pump or rubber cement)
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. Don Caldwell using a pump? Stop the presses! I thought you were a devout mouth blower-upper? Well, all I can say is "welcome - the pump folk are a good people, and we shall make you our king!"
Ok, I'm going to go call Balloon Guy Mike and tell him he can get a pump now and still wear his WWBBD bracelet!
Buster Balloon using a pump. What...is the world coming to? -Buford T. Justice "Smokey and the Bandit."
Message: Posted by: Kevinr (Dec 4, 2009 11:12AM)
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On 2009-12-04 10:10, magicone wrote:
Revlovejoy,

I actually make the same octo/squid that you have in your avatar with the same pre-printed balloons and EVERYONE loves it. I've never had a child or adult for that matter say I'm cheating.

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The creator of the squid is the great Don Caldwell
Message: Posted by: revlovejoy (Dec 4, 2009 12:50PM)
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The creator of the squid is the great Don Caldwell
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Why yes he is - I just got back to this thread - I hope no one thought I was in any way taking credit for that one, someone else pointed out they make it too - it's my favorite thing after the monkey on MHaWW1.

I find people are impressed with the eyeballs, the only reservation I had was on the superhero heads. I guess it's time to order some and see the reactions.
Message: Posted by: Buster Balloon (Dec 4, 2009 02:05PM)
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. Don Caldwell using a pump? Stop the presses! I thought you were a devout mouth blower-upper? Well, all I can say is "welcome - the pump folk are a good people, and we shall make you our king!"
Ok, I'm going to go call Balloon Guy Mike and tell him he can get a pump now and still wear his WWBBD bracelet!
Buster Balloon using a pump. What...is the world coming to? -Buford T. Justice "Smokey and the Bandit."
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While I am a devout mouth blower (wow that sounds wrong), there are occasions when even I will use a pump. Usually it is when I am using a clear balloon and want it to stay crystal clear (mouth blowing creates humidity and fogs the balloon faster) or I am stuffing something inside that needs to stay dry, like some ones watch or cell phone.

All of that said, I always encourage others to use a pump. There are very real and legitimate health concerns for those of us who mouth inflate, and I believe the true test of a balloon artist is what they do after the balloon is inflated, not before.
Message: Posted by: Steve Yarosko (Dec 5, 2009 07:45PM)
Hey Revlovejoy,

I've been making the superhero hats that Don teaches on his Youtube channel almost since he first posted them. The amount-of-work/reaction ratio puts these sculptures in the worker category for me. On an event I worked on Halloween, a little boy was wearing a Wolverine costume and he loved the Wolverine hat I made him. I made the Hulk earlier today at an event for an adult man. He kept it on the whole party.

Thanks Don/Buster once again for sharing your ideas and concepts with the balloon artists and craftspeople.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Kevinr (Dec 5, 2009 10:54PM)
I agree they simple and quick the faces do cost a lot though..
Message: Posted by: MikeClay (Dec 8, 2009 08:39PM)
I have a PUMP thank you very much Jay Ward..

and I have even looked into the depth of the endless super bag-o-balloons which is Don's and he has a pump in the bag.. it is dusty and I believe there is a small animal living in it.. but it is there LOL

I even have 3 electric pumps..

it all comes down to WWBBD

wait did I really just propagate the joke..
did I really just do that..

and lastly
as Prof. Eugene Witless says
"It's not about balloon safety, it's about how much you can torture the little guys before they POP.. now where did I leave that,, hrmm what where we talking about?"
Message: Posted by: Jay Ward (Dec 9, 2009 12:40AM)
Well, having a pump is only the first step!
Step 1 - Have a pump.
Step 2 - Use the pump to blow up a balloon.
Step 3 - Do this many times for lots of kids.
Step 4 - Start a rumor in the balloon community that Jay Ward is cool.
Step 5 - Start up http://www.wwbbd.com. Then make Prof. Eugene Witless the fictitious arch villian of Buster Balloon.
Step 6 - Hope Don Caldwell gets the humor and decides not to sue.

Get to work buddy!

And I've never seen your electric pumps!?! What up with that man? Just because your wife says we're not allowed to talk or touch balloons when I come over is no excuse, btw! She never said shasta about pumps!