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Topic: Sick of product promos showing spectators going nuts
Message: Posted by: krowboom (Nov 11, 2009 05:23PM)
I don't know if anyone else feels the same way but it seems like every new product that comes out has the same promotional format.
1. Wild music
2. Wild graphics
3. Street scenes where the spectators are going crazy, jumping up and down in amazement, screaming "wow", "did you see that", "impossible", and so forth.
4. Hard to see actual performance of the effect.

I don't know about anyone else but I would like to see these new products demonstrated in a straight forward way in a studio so I can see the effect clearly and thus evaluate it on my own.

Anyone else feel this way?
Message: Posted by: MMark (Nov 11, 2009 06:16PM)
What bothers me more is elaborate 30-60 second intros just to see the 15 second effect. Honestly, we don't care about intros! :)

Mark
Message: Posted by: The Futurist (Nov 11, 2009 06:29PM)
LOL, I agree. I also like to have the [i]option[/i] to press play on a video, instead of having it autoplay when I check an item out on certain sites. I'm surprised some magician/satirist hasn't parodied these "down with the kids" videos. Well, maybe they have already, and I haven't heard of it. Where is the Ali G of contemporary magic :)?
Message: Posted by: ldrosenblum (Nov 11, 2009 06:47PM)
Ah, well now when I see spectators going crazy with amazement in those ads, I think of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4cU0ivVTwo

And it makes me feel much better. ; )
Message: Posted by: NexusMagicShop (Nov 11, 2009 07:43PM)
Bro Gilbert made fun of this very subject in his last release Deep 3. Pretty funny!

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBXQSQ4gnE8[/url]

And I agree it seems like Hollywood movie trailers, not magic effects? We need to get back to the basics...
Message: Posted by: M Sini (Nov 11, 2009 08:53PM)
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On 2009-11-11 20:43, NexusMagicShop wrote:
Bro Gilbert made fun of this very subject in his last release Deep 3. Pretty funny!

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBXQSQ4gnE8[/url]

And I agree it seems like Hollywood movie trailers, not magic effects? We need to get back to the basics...
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I loved Bro's promo video. These videos have a way of making a single trick dvd seem much better than they are sometimes.
Message: Posted by: Renaldo (Nov 11, 2009 10:33PM)
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On 2009-11-11 18:23, krowboom wrote:
4. Hard to see actual performance of the effect.

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I think this is because most of the time anyone who's read the right classic books (Tarbell, etc.) can spot it as a new variation on an old trick they either already have, have learned, or at the very least read about.

And I agree with everything else! Show me a simple video. I don't even want to see a reaction unless a spectator has to be there to assist in the trick.
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Nov 11, 2009 10:41PM)
Those guys are following the styles of David Blaine and other street magic series.
Message: Posted by: ico (Nov 11, 2009 11:56PM)
Vendors who use these types of demos are out to make as much money as possible, and they push all keys they can - same as with, for example, beer ads. More often than not this also means the product is not too good to sell itself.

There are some people with good products who just don't know any better and copy this stupid style, while they don't have to...
Message: Posted by: DaleTrueman (Nov 12, 2009 12:12AM)
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On 2009-11-11 19:47, ldrosenblum wrote:
Ah, well now when I see spectators going crazy with amazement in those ads, I think of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4cU0ivVTwo

And it makes me feel much better. ; )
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thanks for that, funniest thing I have seen in ages :)
Message: Posted by: jake.o (Nov 12, 2009 03:09AM)
Most of the stuff is aimed the the younger magicians where they will watch the video imagine that's them getting the reactions without thinking that much into the trick. where as the older more experienced magicains will watch the video to see the trick and only buy it if its right for them but for some reason most younger magicians don't think that way.
Message: Posted by: DaleTrueman (Nov 12, 2009 06:00AM)
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On 2009-11-12 04:09, jake.o wrote:
Most of the stuff is aimed the the younger magicians where they will watch the video imagine that's them getting the reactions without thinking that much into the trick. where as the older more experienced magicains will watch the video to see the trick and only buy it if its right for them but for some reason most younger magicians don't think that way.
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too true I suppose.

I'm just glad I found the Magic Café before too long which gives perspective when you read a lot of the wise advise given here
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Nov 12, 2009 07:02AM)
The Café is a wealth of information. And it contains more than anyone can ever imagine.
Message: Posted by: The Futurist (Nov 12, 2009 10:05AM)
Thanks for posting those videos, guys, they gave me a good chuckle on a gloomy and overcast day :)

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On 2009-11-12 00:56, ico wrote:
There are some people with good products who just don't know any better and copy this stupid style, while they don't have to...
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Quoted for truth! There are actually some very fine effects that stand on their own merits, the advertising of which is marred by this over-the-top style. Possibly the marketing is largely out of the hands of the creative minds who actually invent the effects. Well, I'd like to think they facepalm when viewing some of the ghastly trailers for their own products.
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Nov 12, 2009 04:03PM)
Them kids today with their MTV's...