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Topic: I'm going to my first magic shop
Message: Posted by: Justin R (Jun 15, 2003 06:47PM)
Next week I'm going to be in Dallas, and I'm planing on going to a magic shop .I'm a complete newbie to magic; I only have two magic books (Idiot's Guide to Magic and Dover's Bobo's Modern Coin Magic). I have about 50 bucks to spend and was wondering if anybody had any recommendations for books. I know of 3 shops: Magic Land, Magic ETC, and Queen of Hearts. Does anybody have any recommendations on which shop to go to? I'd appreciate any help I can get. Thanks
Message: Posted by: MacGyver (Jun 15, 2003 07:29PM)
Call and see if they have days when there are more magicians there than any other day(around here it's Saturday) and go then!

Get RRTCM and maybe the Card College books for card magic.
Message: Posted by: blindbo (Jun 15, 2003 07:40PM)
I would get Royal Road to Card Magic (as mentioned above) and I would get a small packet trick that teaches you the Elmsley count (that way you get a treat in the effect, too!) That should leave you with lunch money, and enough to learn from until you get the funds up again.
Message: Posted by: ALEXANDRE (Jun 15, 2003 09:32PM)
Wow ... the Queen of Hearts ... I worked in that store when I was seventeen ... they had a mini stage, and Carlos (the owner) taught magic there. I learned so much. Please say hello to Annie for me! Tell her I worked there in the early 80s, though I'm not sure she would remember ... I'll give them a call.

Anyway ... books is a great way to go. What interests you in magic? Cards? Coins? Mental Magic? Stage? Close-up? Answer this question and you'll be better prepared when you walk into a store. I would suggest looking on the Internet for books on magic. Read the descriptions, then make a list of the ones that appeal to you. I would visit all three stores, but once you have your list, you should call them and find out if they carry the books that appeal to you, or find the store that has the largest selection of books ... I love books ... like I said, it's a great way to start!

Message: Posted by: submagi (Jun 15, 2003 11:32PM)
Royal Road to Card Magic is always a good start.. Also ask them what they would recommend for a beginner.
Message: Posted by: wassabi_87 (Jun 16, 2003 12:38AM)
Why not order online? It's way cheaper; but if you are going to go into a shop, it will be best to get your books there, not gimmicks. The gimmicks are usually overpriced. Maybe a dime and penny or invisible deck, but compare prices with Penguin Magic first. Maybe type out a sheet of prices to take with you; that way you won't get ripped off. Good luck and happy hunting!
Message: Posted by: Ojasa (Jun 16, 2003 07:15AM)
There are many benifits to going into a shop... Most the time, you can see the effect as it is presented without edits or grainy images, You can talk with other magi and get real world advice from people making their living performing. If there is a problem with your apparatus, it is much easier to return it or sort it out with a brick and mortar store.

Plus there is no waiting time or cost for the shipping. Shops are usually good about bringing in Lectures, and treating repeat customers well. I know that from when I worked at Showplace in Salt Lake City. If we got a call and all of us were busy, we would pass it on to customers we could see were ready for it.

All in all if I had the choice of getting it from a shop or the internet, I would go with the shop everytime (even if they cost a few dollars more, a good shop earns it).

Ojasa :banana: :banana: :banana:
Message: Posted by: Sean (Jun 16, 2003 10:26AM)
On 2003-06-15 20:40, blindbo wrote:
I would get Royal Road to Card Magic (as mentioned above) and I would get a small packet trick that teaches you the Elmsley count (that way you get a treat in the effect, too!) That should leave you with lunch money, and enough to learn from until you get the funds up again.

For the Elmsley, get Michael Ammar's Easy to Master Card Miracles Vol. 2. The Elmsley he teaches is a bit "funny," but for the price, the effects you get out of the DVD are much better value than for a packet trick.

That's assuming you are interested in card magic, of course. (Is there any other kind of magic? :shucks: )
Message: Posted by: ALEXANDRE (Jun 16, 2003 10:41AM)
I agree with OJASA as I like to do my shopping in person even though I may have to pay a couple of extra clams for a book or effect. For me it's worth it. Unless I know EXACTLY what I'm getting and there is nowhere around me I can pick it up, I will order online. Plus ... I happen to love browsing in a magic shop ... it's magic!

Message: Posted by: denny_Corby (Jun 16, 2003 11:13AM)
How about Michael Ammars easy to master card miracle tapes or mist money magic tapes?
Message: Posted by: Jonatan B (Jun 16, 2003 11:47AM)
Buy the first Card Collage book at least. The material will not be so easy as you may think, but it will all come down if you decide to master it.
Message: Posted by: kaitou (Jun 16, 2003 01:04PM)
Definitely get the Ammar DVDs ... also, one benefit to a store is they tend to have older books availiable, sometimes at discounts. You may find an old gem in a booklet that you can't really get anymore.
Message: Posted by: LeConte (Jun 16, 2003 02:37PM)
Since most major and even smaller bookstores have copies of [i]RRTCM[/i] anyway for only ten bucks or so, I might not get this at the magic shop since you are making a special once in a blue moon trip to go there. [i]RRTCM[/i] is essential and I would get it as soon as possible, but maybe at the store I would get Card College 1, and somehow get a few extra dollars to purchase on DVD Ammar's [i]Easy To Master Card Miracles Volume 2[/i]. I would not buy any "tricks" to start with, but if you must, an invisible deck, Bannon's Twisted Sister and Skinner's 3 Card Monte are true classics of magic and 3 tricks that you will purchase at some point anyway.

If you don't want Ammar's DVD then I would get Card College Volume 2 to go with volume 1, but the first 2 volumes might run you a little over $60 bucks. If you must stick to $50 dollars then try to get [i] The Amateur Magicians Handbook[/i] by Henry Hay. It is dirt cheap and out of print, but you just might find a copy at the store.

Most important have fun and happy shopping.
Message: Posted by: RayBanks (Jun 16, 2003 03:03PM)
Before you go to the magic shop, go to a Half-Price Book store. Look in the "Games, Humor" section and you may find Mark Wilson's Complete course for about $10-12. I also got Bill Tarr's book "Now You see It Now You Don't" for $7 at half price books.

Personally I would not venture into the Card Colege series until I felt I really wanted to do serious card work. I would recommend RRTCM from a local bookstore.

At the magic store I would look into the Ammar DVD series. As for Cards I think Vol 2 would be good as a starter.

Just don't let them talk you into some gimmicky tricks to do. You will learn them, do them a couple of times and then find them stashed away years later.

With the books you have, Wilson, and Tarr you have plenty enough to start out.

If you get RRTCM post a note here and I'll direct you to a study guide posted on another forum that is really good for learning.

Good Luck and have fun in Big D.
Message: Posted by: harris (Jun 16, 2003 04:07PM)
A nearly normal suggestion.

Think about going and writing things down and then going back after a few days.

That is if the shop is near by.
Everything will look so good.

Try to search here on the Magic Café on Magic as an addiction.(I think it is in the now that's funny section.

Of course you could just go in and buy everything that you like.

Think about when and where you will be showing your magic as well as your ability
and how much work you are willing to put in.

I cut my teeth on books and manuscripts.

Videos and DVDs (I will get one someday)
make the learning curve for "newbies" quite different than in the old days (70's).
I am guessing the folks that learned magic in the 40 - 60's thought us new guys in the 70's had it made. :)

Keep growing and glowing and asking what if???

Harris Deutsch
Laughologist and Nearly Normal Magician
Message: Posted by: Evan Williams (Jun 23, 2003 08:08PM)
Make sure when you go there, you introduce yourself and talk to some magicians. Also be sure to ask lots of questions about anything conserning magic! You could learn a lot in one visit...
Message: Posted by: Frank Tougas (Jun 23, 2003 09:52PM)
This post may be too late to help. You didn't mention when next week you would be leaving, but remember to take your time. Magic stores make their money selling fast sell easy gimick tricks to newbies.

It's not evil it is just they don't make any money talking to people. If it looks like you are only there to chat they will defer to someone who looks like they are there to buy.

I agree, you learn a lot if you go when the shop is full as you will see a lot more magic and overhear a lot more in the process.

Above all - take your time and enjoy. The first time is always special (okay you guys get your minds out of the gutter) :)
Message: Posted by: Justin R (Jun 24, 2003 12:26AM)
Well I'm back from the shop. Their isn't alot to tell. I picked up RRTCM, a thumb tip and booklet,and the new Genii magazine. Their wasn't anybody there except the guy working there. It was pretty cool though and I'm going to go back very soon.
Message: Posted by: CardFan (Jun 27, 2003 04:22PM)
You can also go for a beginner video. Ammar series on cards are really good stuff. And they now come on DVD too.
Message: Posted by: Evan Williams (Jul 2, 2003 09:02PM)
I agree Ammar's stuff is very very good. Great material at the right price!
Message: Posted by: MagicDiva (Jul 3, 2003 07:11PM)
Wow! I remember my first trip to a Magic Shop, I live really close to NYC and I was always hanging out at the magic shops there. The magician that worked in one shop was a huge inspriation to me and taught me a lot of stuff. But next time you go shopping for magic stuff, I recommend picking up Bill Tarr's "Now you see it now you don't". It is a terrific book, it doesn't only teach cards but all sorts of sleights. Also I would pick up a packet effect. :angel:
Message: Posted by: Aus (Jul 8, 2003 08:57AM)
First buy books over Tricks as they hold more value for money. The books along with a few DVD's and videos are your best bet:

General Magic Books.

Mark Wilson’s Complete Course in Magic
The Tarbell Course in Magic (1-8)
Amateur Magician's Handbook by Henry Hay
Bill Tarr's Now You See It, Now You Don't
The Magic Book" by Harry Lorayne
Magic for Dummies' by David Pogueman

Money Magic:

New Modern Coin Magic-Bobo
Roth's Expert Coin Magic Made Easy 1,2,3

Card Magic:

Roberto Giobbi Card College Volumes (1-4)
Royal Road to Card Magic- Jean Hugard & Fredrick Braue
Close up Card Magic-Lorayne
Tom Ogden's "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Magic Tricks
Ammar's Easy to Master Card Miracles Videos (1-3)

Magic Theory:

Magic and Showmanship, by Hennings Nelms
Real World Magic by Jerry Macgregor
Strong Magic by Darwin

That should do for starters, and if you wont more bang for your buck read my artical at http://www.online-visions.com/other/0401budget.html