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Topic: Wands for Shoot Ogawa Routine
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Nov 27, 2009 11:21AM)
I have searched many of the popular sites and came up with nothing. I am working on Shoot Ogawa Wand Routine and would like to find Magician's Wands in the colors of Red, Blue, and Yellow.

Can anyone point me in the direction to find wands in wood or plastic that are good for this superior 'Flip Stick' routine?
Message: Posted by: Michael J. Douglas (Nov 27, 2009 11:49AM)
Not knowing the routine, I'm not sure the difference you're looking for from a regular wand. However, I know the Flip Stick moves can be better facilitated with a hollow wand. If this is the case, a set of multiplying or nesting wands should give you several sizes to try. I think Ickle Pickle makes a multi-colored set. Or, you could cut some tubing from a hardware store.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Nov 27, 2009 11:59AM)
Currently, I am not able to paint and no access to a bench saw. So, I was hoping I could purchase the wands. I do not need exotic woods.

They are just plain ordinary wands. Cannot use the split nesting wand sets. They can be 1/2" in diameter and like 10" to 12" in length.

Found the Multiplying Wands at Daytona Magic and Magic Warehouse, but do not know if they are solid tube wands. If need be, I can always cut up some wooden dowels and put contact paper on them, but having a plastic or wooden wand that was made as a wand would look better.
Message: Posted by: ReDeFiNe (Nov 27, 2009 12:21PM)
I found some Jumbo Pencils in the bookstore with nice decorative stickers around it. You can just pluck off the top rubber portion and saw off the pencil tip. Then tap up the ends with white or silver tape. There you have it! A light weight wooden wand very suitable for Shoot's Flip Stick routines. :)
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Nov 27, 2009 11:15PM)
You can make your own out of drum sticks and spray paint.
Message: Posted by: Fábio DeRose (Nov 28, 2009 03:54PM)
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Message: Posted by: Brad Lancaster (Nov 29, 2009 06:13PM)
Hi wmhegbli,

Boy are you in luck. It took me months to locate these. Go to http://www.paul-howard-pro-magic.co.uk I love these wands. They are very well made in bright colorful plastic. Perfect weight and size for Shoot's routine.

Brad
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Nov 29, 2009 06:29PM)
Brad, thanks for the sit but it looks like the site is down. I guess he did not sell enough wands and pay his ISP company.

A search brought up this site: http://www.professional-magic.co.uk/magic_wands.html

Thank you very much, just what I was looking for, your the best!

Bill
Message: Posted by: Michael J. Douglas (Nov 30, 2009 12:41PM)
Bill,

Glad you found the right wands!
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Dec 2, 2009 01:41AM)
I Emailed them using their contact form on the site, no response. I need a 12" wand and not the 14" they sell. Being they make them, I asked if they could make a shorter version. No response.

It hit me why don't I contact Abbott's Magic at http://www.abbottmagic.com they responded to my email in a timely manner, and they will make the the wands for me in wood, they normally make their wand tricks in this length. I ordered a Red, Yellow, and Blue wood wand set. Will let you all know how they are when they arrive.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Dec 26, 2009 03:24PM)
I have been working on this routine for several weeks now, and come to a unique realization about Japanese manipulation that is not present in western manipulation performances.

Shoot Ogawa has a section on Theory and Misdirection utilized in the routine. I find it very interesting that pulling a stick out and holding it looks just like that, pulling a stick out, but with a simple pause and look toward the audience, they forget where it came from and looks like it appeared from nowhere.

This I find has never been dealt with in all the manipulation literature on the market. It is a powerful tool and it seems only the Japanese have mastered it. Shoot Ogawa uses this in his Thimble routine as well, it really makes a great difference in make a trick or effect truly wonderful to experience.

I bought a silk production from a Japanese gentleman and he made a point of a gesture when the still was made, this gesture and eye glance, when combined is the strongest misdirection a single performer can create.

I think this such a powerful tool in manipulation a complete DVD should be created on just this subject when performing manipulation magic. I am of course speaking of using manipulation as in creating a magic effect, not in the performance of using manipulation as a demonstration of skill.

I strongly recommend these DVDs even if you do not want to learn the wonderful routines, but watch the use of misdirection and technique, not explained in anywhere else to my knowledge.

The wands Abbott's Magic made for me are very satisfactory for my purpose, but if you want something that looks nice and made of plastic, I found this site that sells the set of wands. http://www.52magic.com/product_613.html I have not ordered them yet so I cannot comment of them. I think the cost of shipping makes these unavailable from this manufacturer.
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Dec 26, 2009 08:43PM)
Thanks for the tips on the DVD, Bill.
Message: Posted by: kwang0429 (Jan 11, 2010 02:02PM)
I talked to Shoot, Shoot said he makes he own wands, he spray painted it and tape the ends to make it look like real wand.
Message: Posted by: pintirri (Jan 12, 2010 12:12AM)
Hello wmhegbli
You mention a Shoot Ogawa DVD on "Flip Stick" routines.
Can you tell me the name of it and where it can be bought please?
I live in Perth Western Australia.
Regards
Pintirri
Message: Posted by: sdmagic (Jan 12, 2010 10:51AM)
http://www.holyshoot.com/magicshop2.htm

Go to the bottom of the page...

sdmagic
Message: Posted by: Paul Howard (Jan 29, 2010 02:58PM)
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On 2009-11-29 19:29, wmhegbli wrote:
I Emailed them using their contact form on the site, no response. I need a 12" wand and not the 14" they sell. Being they make them, I asked if they could make a shorter version. No response.

Brad, thanks for the sit but it looks like the site is down. I guess he did not sell enough wands and pay his ISP company.

A search brought up this site: http://www.professional-magic.co.uk/magic_wands.html

Thank you very much, just what I was looking for, your the best!

Bill

[/quote]

Hi Bill
I have just read this and I am very surprised and disappointed to here that you have had difficulty contacting me by email. I do check my email three or four time a day and always reply within the day.

Most of my business is done through the Internet and it would be foolish of me not pay my ISP.

I cannot recall receiving any email from you so I can only conclude it must have been a clinch in the Internet.

Going back on topic if you have not yet found the wands looking for I am very happy to talk to you about making some to your requirements.
Paul
Paul Howard Pro Magic.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jan 5, 2012 04:51PM)
[b]Just found out that Shoot Ogawa had a previousl DVD on Wand Manipulation![/b]

This one is called, "Shoot Ogawa - Stage Magic Lecture - Wand Routine

This earlier DVD has a number of different effects that can be done. Unfortunitely, this DVD is very difficult to obtain.

But to see a preview of the material go here to view:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6c-MMjBAmM&feature=player_embedded

Enjoy!!
Message: Posted by: pslaughter (Jan 6, 2012 07:45PM)
Hey Bill,

Do you know if the flip stick moves from the videos you posted are on the "Wand routine" DVDs. I really, REALLY like the stuff on those videos you posted and would love to pick up the video that teaches them. I've been looking for something like this for a while. Do you know if Shoot teaches the moves on that DVD in English? I know he is fluent in English but wasn't sure if he was teaching in English.

If you could help me pick up a set of these I'd really appreciate it!

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jan 6, 2012 08:25PM)
[quote]
On 2012-01-06 20:45, pslaughter wrote:
Hey Bill,

Do you know if the flip stick moves from the videos you posted are on the "Wand routine" DVDs. I really, REALLY like the stuff on those videos you posted and would love to pick up the video that teaches them. I've been looking for something like this for a while. Do you know if Shoot teaches the moves on that DVD in English? I know he is fluent in English but wasn't sure if he was teaching in English.

If you could help me pick up a set of these I'd really appreciate it!

Thanks!
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The above old DVD is not easily obtained from the Chinese company selling it. It has no English, only Japanese speech. With many of these Japanese videos the Japanese language is not as detailed as English, thus most of the time by just watching the video it can be learned. By the way, I do not have this older video, and would like to get it, but the company selling it requires only payment by Western Union, and that is a huge hassle.

Shoot Ogawa has made a newer want routine DVD here:
http://www.holyshoot.com/magicshop2.htm

Compare them for yourself, I see some material that is on the new DVD.

Here is the routine he is explaining on the newer DVD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ4mkP1dfzY
Message: Posted by: pslaughter (Jan 6, 2012 08:45PM)
Hey Bill,

Thanks for the info. I'll be picking this up for sure. I've been looking for something on the Japanese flipstick moves, but wasn't sure where to find it.

I owe you one! :0)
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Mar 25, 2012 01:36PM)
JL Magic has come out with a new set they call, Professional Multiplying Wand Set.

http://www.abbottmagic.com/Professional-Multiplying-Wand-Set-PROMULTIPLYINGWANDSET.htm

Yo Kato methods are superior to JL after watching the promo video. The additional wands would make a nice extended wand act.

Yo Kato's Manipulation Wands:
http://www.stevensmagic.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=117&products_id=113074

JL better price:
http://www.magictrickstore.com/professional-multiplying-wand-magic-magic-tricks-p-36192.html
Message: Posted by: Brad Lancaster (Mar 25, 2012 10:56PM)
Wmhegbli,

How is your wand manipulation routine coming. Have you added anything from the Yo Kato routine?
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Mar 25, 2012 11:19PM)
Brad, I am using the Yo Kato wands with the Shoot Ogawa routine, and putting the moves from Yo Kato into the routine. I like the instant color change, and production of 3 red wands.

JL Magic has also come out with a 5 wand set as well for under $25.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 4, 2012 12:51PM)
Receive my set of 5 Black JL Multiplying Wand set yesterday. The wands are a little thicker material then the UGM wands. Thus a little stiffer plastic material. They have white tape ends, and are not rolled perfectly, by that I mean, they seem to want to straighten out a little at the split.

When all 5 wands are nested the last wand doe not meet or overlap, there is about a sixteenth of an inch gap.

They are 12 inches in length and the white tips are 2-3/16" of an inch in length.

The 5 wand production routine is simple and is well within anyone reach or skill level.

It come with computer printed paper instruction sheet, both sides, but really not very clear. It also comes with a DVD, that looks like the same DVD is included with the complete professional set. The DVD is in Korean, I think, as this is a Korean product. Not knowing Asian languages I can only assume this is the case. There are no sub titles or voice over, but it seems the young lady is giving detailed instruction on setting up the prop for working. It is either the language takes longer to say something or we, who do not understand Korean, missing a lot of good information.

The DVD is not made as a silent DVD as in the UGM wands, so I don't know if there are details I am missing. As she does pause while talking, and pointing.

One can understand the setup of the wands and production, but again are their details missing. I would think, there are, but I am only guessing.

The video is short and only covers the 5 wand production, the instant double and triple color change and the muti-wand production. Just producing 5 or 4 sets of 5, each a different color. It shows the gimmick which is easily made, but do to the language barrier, again details of a pin and square patch on the elastic gimmick is still a mystery as to it use.

I can only take from this, that none of the JL Company employees speak English. It would have been very easy to have a voice over on the DVD.

I am neither thrilled or disappointed with the JL 5 wand set. Sort of okay with them, as I was when I ordered them. I bought them more to have a regular size 5 black wand set to be used with my colored UGM set of wands. So far they are meeting my purpose.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 5, 2012 03:19PM)
Anyone try producing a silk from the wand to start the routine off with a magic flare? If so. what was your style, the old flower lapel type of production, the hank ball type of production, or the Rice idea from the Palmo ball instructions, stealing a silk ball from the end of the wand?

Creative ideas, anyone?
Message: Posted by: Brad Lancaster (Apr 5, 2012 09:36PM)
I perform a wand spin tap may hand and a 18 inch silk suddenly appears admist confetti. I then go into my wand routine. It's a very pretty opener.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 6, 2012 12:10PM)
Brad, thanks for the post, it is nice to hear when others are thinking outside the box as well and trying to create a magical experience for their audiences.
Message: Posted by: Brad Lancaster (Apr 6, 2012 01:27PM)
Wmhegbli, what do you do to produce a silk for your wand routine or are you still in the development part?
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 6, 2012 01:40PM)
Yes, I am still in the development stage, I was thinking of either the quick draw done or hank ball type of production, whichever looks better. The wand being held at an angle, so as not to draw suspection.
Message: Posted by: Kyle Elder (Apr 11, 2012 11:10PM)
Ive seen shoots lecture and I purchased his wand DVD. I made my own set like his fairly easy. I got wooden dowels of the size I needed at a craft store and painted them the colors I needed. The benefit of wooden dowels are there weight. They are light but rigid enough to execute the flip stick moves he covers quickly and silently. hope this helps.
Message: Posted by: PhilMagicGuy (Nov 7, 2012 12:32AM)
I've just purchased the JL professional set, and for my immediate purposes I think I'll do quite well with them. However, the instructions -- as mentioned -- are far from adequate, so if anyone has any tips, alternative videos they can point me to or any other kind of help, I'd love to know what else these things can do, beyond what I've been coming up with on my own. So, please let me know :)


Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Dec 1, 2012 06:00PM)
[quote]
On 2012-11-07 01:32, PhilMagicGuy wrote:
I've just purchased the JL professional set, and for my immediate purposes I think I'll do quite well with them. However, the instructions -- as mentioned -- are far from adequate, so if anyone has any tips, alternative videos they can point me to or any other kind of help, I'd love to know what else these things can do, beyond what I've been coming up with on my own. So, please let me know :)


Thanks!
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Get Shoot Ogawa'a Wand Manipulation video, and you will have more then enough excellent material to work on with the JL Wands.