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Topic: Harry Anderson monte
Message: Posted by: Matt Watts (Jan 7, 2010 04:26PM)
In Harry Anderson's Hello Sucker. He performs a 3 card monte with jumbo cards. Does anyone know the name of the routine and if it is a published effect where I can obtain it?
Thanks,
Matt
Message: Posted by: Donal Chayce (Jan 7, 2010 07:37PM)
That routine is entitled "Monarch Monte" and it's published in the book "Harry Anderson--Wise Guy" by Mike Caveney. It's still in print. Here's a link:
http://www.mcmagicwords.com/books/harryanderson.html

As for the props, the cards Harry used in "Hello, Sucker" he made himself. Later he and the late Jack Sutherland of Sun Magic put out a limited release of giant PVC cards (18"x24") for the trick under the name "Three Card Monarch". Less than 500 sets were made (all signed and numbered), and at the time they went for $175. They go for much more now when a set comes up for sale.

After Jack died the manufacturing rights went to Hank Lee. For a while Hank put out cards in the same giant size for a similar price, and those cards are now also hard to find. At some point he stopped making the giant cards and instead put out a smaller (but by no means small--they're 12"x18") set of cards under the name "Three Card Prince". Those cards are still available--just check out the Hank Lee website. I think the cost is in the $70 range.

As an aside, the only difference in the two sets of Hank Lee cards is the size--the thickness of the PVC and the four-color graphics (front and back) are the same. And IMO, the Hank Lee cards are better looking than the original Sun Magic cards (I own and have used them all).
Message: Posted by: Matt Watts (Jan 8, 2010 05:26PM)
Thanks,
I am looking in to it.

Matt
Message: Posted by: Samuel Catoe (Jan 24, 2010 11:48PM)
The biggest difference for me was the signed instructions. Hank Lee's didn't come with signed instructions.

The smaller Three Card Prince would be easier for most people to use though. Remember that Harry is very tall. I stand 5'7" and had a very difficult time using the Monarch cards.
Message: Posted by: Matt Watts (Jan 30, 2010 08:30PM)
Thanks
Message: Posted by: Brent McLeod (Feb 11, 2010 11:34PM)
I use the 3 card Prince in dozens of corporate & Hotels and clubs etc

The size of cards is very easy to use -I recommend you try these

Very practical and a great routine

Cheers
Message: Posted by: Donal Chayce (Feb 12, 2010 02:13PM)
One more point of information regarding the various sets of cards that have been made for this routine, and that is that both sets of the really big cards (the original Sun Magic cards and the larger "Three Card Monarch" cards by Hank Lee) are not entirely opaque. If there is even a moderate amount of light coming from behind the cards, you can see a shadow of the reverse side. That can be problematic with outdoor gigs or indoor gigs that only have overhead lighting.

The PVC used for the smaller "Three Card Prince" cards is slightly thicker and, as a result, completely opaque--backlight is not a problem. But you lose the added impact that the giant-sized cards provide.
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Mar 27, 2010 06:37PM)
Well, the original set of 3-Card Monarch that was produced by Sun Magic and Anderson's Illusions was SUPPOSED to include signed instructions, but Harry never got around to signing any of them before they were sold. I believe there were 475 sets of the Monarch produced, however, I've never seen or heard of any numbered 1-100. I was told by a reliable source there weren't any. The back design of the Hank Lee's Monarch and the original was different, and also didn't include the brown leaterette "wallet", either. The wallet/case comes in handy when using the Monarch on stage, too. Even Harry doesn't usually use the Monarch anymore, due to the size...they block your face and can cause feedback with a lavalier mic.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 29, 2010 02:15AM)
The trick can be easily made with the giant cards purchased at Party Stores. In fact that is what Harry Anderson used to make his original set he used in his act. Party stores sell these for 'Cosino Night' Parties.

I had a Sun set of these Huge cards and did not notice the show through as mentioned above. They were made out of very thick heave PVC card. They copied them so exactly, that the corner pips were to close to the edge of the card as in Harry's home made version.

Harry Anderson probably does not use this effect any longer, for the reason that it is being sold on the open magic market and published in his book. Most popular magicians stop using their material once they offer it for sale.

Tom Mullica never did his Wallet, once he put in on the market. Except at magic functions to help the dealer sales.
Message: Posted by: Donal Chayce (Apr 29, 2010 07:06PM)
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On 2010-03-27 19:37, Stevethomas wrote:
Well, the original set of 3-Card Monarch that was produced by Sun Magic and Anderson's Illusions was SUPPOSED to include signed instructions, but Harry never got around to signing any of them before they were sold. I believe there were 475 sets of the Monarch produced, however, I've never seen or heard of any numbered 1-100. I was told by a reliable source there weren't any. The back design of the Hank Lee's Monarch and the original was different, and also didn't include the brown leaterette "wallet", either. The wallet/case comes in handy when using the Monarch on stage, too. Even Harry doesn't usually use the Monarch anymore, due to the size...they block your face and can cause feedback with a lavalier mic.

Steve
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Steve, I beg to differ. The Hank Lee Monarch cards also came with a black vinyl "wallet" (they're large portfolios, actually), just like the Sun Magic cards. In fact, the wallet that came with the Hank Lee cards is of better construction than the one with the Sun Magic cards. I've got a set of each.

The instructions that came with my Sun Magic cards (which I bought second-hand from Max Krause) are, like yours, unsigned. I'm going to check to see what number they are when I get home tonight.
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On 2010-03-27 19:37, Stevethomas wrote:
I believe there were 475 sets of the Monarch produced, however, I've never seen or heard of any numbered 1-100. I was told by a reliable source there weren't any.
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On 2010-04-29 20:06, Donal Chayce wrote:
The instructions that came with my Sun Magic cards (which I bought second-hand from Max Krause) are, like yours, unsigned. I'm going to check to see what number they are when I get home tonight.
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I've got #157.
Message: Posted by: silverking (May 5, 2010 09:16PM)
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On 2010-04-29 03:15, wmhegbli wrote:

Harry Anderson probably does not use this effect any longer, for the reason that it is being sold on the open magic market and published in his book. Most popular magicians stop using their material once they offer it for sale.
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This is the opening effect in Harry's "Wise Guy" show, which he performed right up until Katrina hit.
He continues to use it to full effect.
Message: Posted by: Carnac (May 17, 2010 09:53PM)
Hello. This is my virgin post! I just saw that Bob Little was selling the Prince Monte and they came with DVD directions! I have the monarch monte and the prince monte and they came with the same, not so good, printed directions. I just performed with Harry Anderson last week at the Magic May Day in Mechanicsburg, PA. That's where Bob Little got the Prince Monte. Hopefully that is how they are sold from now on!
Message: Posted by: magicians (Sep 29, 2010 07:25PM)
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On 2010-04-29 20:06, Donal Chayce wrote:
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On 2010-03-27 19:37, Stevethomas wrote:
Well, the original set of 3-Card Monarch that was produced by Sun Magic and Anderson's Illusions was SUPPOSED to include signed instructions, but Harry never got around to signing any of them before they were sold. I believe there were 475 sets of the Monarch produced, however, I've never seen or heard of any numbered 1-100. I was told by a reliable source there weren't any. The back design of the Hank Lee's Monarch and the original was different, and also didn't include the brown leaterette "wallet", either. The wallet/case comes in handy when using the Monarch on stage, too. Even Harry doesn't usually use the Monarch anymore, due to the size...they block your face and can cause feedback with a lavalier mic.

Steve
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Steve, I beg to differ. The Hank Lee Monarch cards also came with a black vinyl "wallet" (they're large portfolios, actually), just like the Sun Magic cards. In fact, the wallet that came with the Hank Lee cards is of better construction than the one with the Sun Magic cards. I've got a set of each.

The instructions that came with my Sun Magic cards (which I bought second-hand from Max Krause) are, like yours, unsigned. I'm going to check to see what number they are when I get home tonight.
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I bought an original of the giant Harry Anderson version, and I wondered why it wasn't signed. I tried to sell it years ago and someone reported me to ebay as selling a knockoff because it wasn't signed.
I still have it, unused, but one of the white of the cards has faded. Looking to sell it as is.
Mine are totally opaque and thick.
Message: Posted by: abrell (Sep 30, 2010 05:33AM)
I have performed the Monarch Monte within my last shows. And the reaction from the audience is so good that I will not delete this trick.

To my experience the cards do not block my face. I follow the instructions from Harry Andersons book. The drawings in the book also never show the face of performer hidden behind the cards. The extra large cards are one of the reasons for the comedy punch of this trick. It needs some time to handle the cards but it is really worth the effort.
Message: Posted by: Brent McLeod (Oct 19, 2010 12:27AM)
The cards are held to 1 side of you in your right hand & when all 3 are stacked for shuffling etc
they are in front of your body-Your face is visible at all times even at the the end
when 3 Kings are revealed etc

If you cover your face your doing it wrong even with the extra large Jumbo version..

Just a thought
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Nov 23, 2010 05:05PM)
In Harry's last shows in NOLA, pre-Katrina, Harry was using the Prince set, when I asked him why while we were having dinner with him, he said the Monarch wouldn't so much block his face (he IS 6'6"), but could cause audio feedback depending on the type and placement of the microphone.

I did eventually get my instructions signed by Harry.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Donal Chayce (Nov 23, 2010 08:48PM)
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On 2010-11-23 18:05, Stevethomas wrote:
I did eventually get my instructions signed by Harry.
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:applause:
You're likely the only one who did!
Message: Posted by: LFoxx (Dec 11, 2010 09:57AM)
Didn't Harry Anderson also do the same routine but with a different gimmick...I don't know the formal name for them...the ones with the sliding gaff?
Message: Posted by: gadfly3d (Dec 11, 2010 10:23AM)
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On 2010-12-11 10:57, isaaclouie wrote:
Didn't Harry Anderson also do the same routine but with a different gimmick...I don't know the formal name for them...the ones with the sliding gaff?
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It's not really the same routine but yes he did use the set you mentioned on the with Willard Scott at a Christmas parade.

Gil Scott
Message: Posted by: LFoxx (Dec 13, 2010 12:08AM)
Gil,

I'm thinking of one of the "magic awards" shows that was on TV. The patter was basically what's in the Wiseguy book just using the sliding gimmick...If I remember right. I could be remembering wrong. If I recall he used a spirit hand in the routine for an extra sight gag.
Message: Posted by: Brent McLeod (Dec 17, 2010 09:41PM)
I've also seen some people using King Monte with the slide gimmick to do Harry's version... not as good though!!
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Feb 4, 2011 06:28PM)
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On 2010-01-07 20:37, Donal Chayce wrote:
That routine is entitled "Monarch Monte" and it's published in the book "Harry Anderson--Wise Guy" by Mike Caveney. It's still in print. Here's a link:
http://www.mcmagicwords.com/books/harryanderson.html

As for the props, the cards Harry used in "Hello, Sucker" he made himself. Later he and the late Jack Sutherland of Sun Magic put out a limited release of giant PVC cards (18"x24") for the trick under the name "Three Card Monarch". Less than 500 sets were made (all signed and numbered), and at the time they went for $175. They go for much more now when a set comes up for sale.

After Jack died the manufacturing rights went to Hank Lee. For a while Hank put out cards in the same giant size for a similar price, and those cards are now also hard to find. At some point he stopped making the giant cards and instead put out a smaller (but by no means small--they're 12"x18") set of cards under the name "Three Card Prince". Those cards are still available--just check out the Hank Lee website. I think the cost is in the $70 range.

As an aside, the only difference in the two sets of Hank Lee cards is the size--the thickness of the PVC and the four-color graphics (front and back) are the same. And IMO, the Hank Lee cards are better looking than the original Sun Magic cards (I own and have used them all).
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thanks Donald for valuable info!
Message: Posted by: Donal Chayce (Feb 5, 2011 02:15PM)
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On 2011-02-04 19:28, Decomposed wrote:
thanks Donald for valuable info!
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You're welcome. (BTW--it's "Donal"--no "d" on the end.)

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On 2010-02-12 15:13, Donal Chayce wrote:
One more point of information regarding the various sets of cards that have been made for this routine, and that is that both sets of the really big cards (the original Sun Magic cards and the larger "Three Card Monarch" cards by Hank Lee) are not entirely opaque. If there is even a moderate amount of light coming from behind the cards, you can see a shadow of the reverse side. That can be problematic with outdoor gigs or indoor gigs that only have overhead lighting.

The PVC used for the smaller "Three Card Prince" cards is slightly thicker and, as a result, completely opaque--backlight is not a problem. But you lose the added impact that the giant-sized cards provide.
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I just recently purchased a new set of "Prince" cards to have on hand as a backup.

The good news: the new cards are on a matte-finish PVC that significantly reduces the glare when light hits them. The older "Prince" cards, and both sets of "Monarch" cards, are on a semi-gloss PVC that reflects light and occasionally causes some glare.

The bad news: unlike the older "Prince" cards, the PVC for the new cards is not completely opaque. Similar to both sets of the larger "Monarch" cards, if there is light coming from behind you can see a faint image of the reverse side of each card.
Message: Posted by: jakeg (Feb 6, 2011 05:53PM)
Donal, knowing that the cards are not completely opaque, would it have affected you decision to buy them?

I'm about to order a set this week, knowing from experience, that as soon as I do, a used one will come up, like new, but a lot less.
Message: Posted by: Donal Chayce (Feb 6, 2011 06:54PM)
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On 2011-02-06 18:53, jakeg wrote:
Donal, knowing that the cards are not completely opaque, would it have affected you decision to buy them?
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Probably not, but it did affect which set I consider my "primary" performing set. As much as I like the matte-finish of the new cards, I'm going to stick with the older set unless I can be 100% certain that there will be no backlight or strong overhead light at the performing venue.
Message: Posted by: Brent McLeod (May 5, 2011 02:12AM)
The lighting is a worry with this effect

I always check backlites etc prior to performing!!!

Cheers
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Sep 11, 2011 11:48PM)
The jumbo cards Harry Anderson used to make his set is available at most party stores. The very large ones come and go on the market. They are used as wall decoration at Casino Nites gambling parties. They are also available in smaller sizes at these same party stores.

You have to purchase 2 or 3 sets to make the trick up yourself. They come in a set of 4 cards like this: http://www.amazon.com/Century-Novelty-Playing-Card-Cutouts/dp/B002U677YE/ref=pd_sim_t_15

I find they are called "Playing Card Cutouts" and I can only find 18" and 25" on the internet. They do show up as the really giant cards as Harry Anderson used.
Message: Posted by: Stevethomas (Sep 12, 2011 09:13AM)
The cards Harry actually used in the days before Sun Magic & Anderson's Illusions produced the "3 Card Monarch" were much smaller than either the Monarch or the ones in the link. The ones made to sell were not made of cardboard or paper, but screenprinted on PVC board.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Sep 12, 2011 02:06PM)
Yes, the ones Harry made were from super large party display cards, and of cardboard. Sun Magic took this exact card and copied it, including the corner pip that was set to close to the edge of the card. They did not even make adjustment for that error, thus you had to be very careful in spreading the cards. Don't know if Harry made a smaller set of cardboard, he may very well have, but the super huge cardboard set is on his presentation video.

Anyway, I was just informing those that which to make their own in any size they desire, can be found on line or at party stores. I have 2 of the smaller sets I found at 2 different party stores here in town, a little over 17" and 18" in length. Big enough for me to handle. It is best to buy at least 6 sets as they can be seen through when held up to the light, so gluing together cards is recommended. Then laminating them at a laminating store makes a perfect set to use in show.
Message: Posted by: Donal Chayce (Sep 20, 2011 04:22PM)
Thanks for the tip, Bill. I've just ordered 4 sets of the smaller cards to try my hand at making a set of cards that are larger than the the Prince cards but smaller than the Monarch.
Message: Posted by: MagicMattMan (Oct 17, 2012 08:42AM)
Where can I find this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PrvGPlwNmw at?

I can easily deconstruct how it's done and get the cards myself, but I'd rather just by it if it's already made up and support the work behind it...
Message: Posted by: jimgerrish (Oct 17, 2012 12:00PM)
That's a variation on Joe Rider's "The Irish 3 Card Trick with 4 Cards." Spellbinder made his own variation on it called simply "Three Card Trick (with Four Cards)" that can be found in The Wizards' Journal #22.
Message: Posted by: Neznarf (Mar 6, 2015 12:39PM)
So how much does a Newish set of 3 card monarch go for these days?

PM please with info.

Thanks-Nez
Message: Posted by: DrNorth (Jun 26, 2016 06:38PM)
Need HELP with Harry Anderson's Three (3) card Prince (Monarch) HELP
I have the Prince version of this set that I got when it came out, but I have yet to be able to work through it, even using a mirror or video camera.
I am a visual learner, is there a video version of the instructions?
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jun 27, 2016 04:41AM)
Harry Anderson's "Hello Sucker".


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