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Topic: Stigmata. Help!
Message: Posted by: MagicRocks (Jan 8, 2010 10:05PM)
As I am still a kid, my parents did not allow me to perform stigmata (W:H) after I showed them. They said it was kind of evil and eerie. However, the reaction was good. Should I stop performing or continue ?
Message: Posted by: DN777 (Jan 8, 2010 10:09PM)
Stigmata is a killer effect. WH is the man! You should definitely continue. If you feel stigmata is too strong of a reveal, you may wish to alter the ending depending on the spectator.
Message: Posted by: yyrkoon (Jan 9, 2010 04:00AM)
I have no doubt a kid performing stigmata can be eerie, but isn't it the whole point of the effect ? If it's really a problem maybe you shouldn't perform it for your family but keep it for your friends you won't regret it.
It's not always easy when you're a kid with an interest in magic (especially bizarre) and your parents are religious/easily scared, I've been there so I sympatize. Maybe you should stress more that it's just for fun and that it doesn't involve any kind of mutilation or pain.
best of luck
Message: Posted by: DWRackley (Jan 9, 2010 03:21PM)
Ok, here comes the grumpy old man to rain on your parade.

(I donít know you, so this is a shot in the dark, but Iíll bet Iím not far off.
Times change Ė people donít.)

Bizarre isnít new, only television coverage is. We were poking needles in our arms (with or without blood) at least 30 years ago and swallowing razor blades even before that, and the reason was the same as it is today: to shock people. Some would call that entertainment, and Iím not here to argue the point.

Itís a choice. Magic doesnít have to be gross or shocking. Itís the performer who decides to make it so.

Similar to movies, they can be graphic or not. Some people think itís not worthwhile if there isnít a body count or lots of body parts and fluids flying around. Fine for them.

But movies have a rating system. There is a reason for that system. Some things need to carry a warning label. Some things are unsuitable for some ages.

I realize I may be calling into the wind here, but do you imagine that your parents (religious or not) have some modicum of a sense of responsibility for you?

And having a double life, part of which you keep secret from your parents, is the worst possible advice. Have I ever done something that shocked my parents? You betcha! Was it the smartest thing Iíve ever done? Not even close.

As for the magic, if youíre ďstill a kidĒ, Iíd have to ask who gave you the money to buy the trick? Even if they werenít paying attention to what came in the box, theyíre paying attention now.

For now, Iíd go with the folks. Youíll get your turn. I promise. And when you get there, most of the stuff you couldnít wait to do wonít be all that impressive.

Being a dad, I know thereís not a lot I wonít do for my kids, take them to practice, pay for the college, help with the first carÖand I donít think itís unfair for me to expect something in return. Like respect for my wishesÖ
Message: Posted by: mmreed (Jan 10, 2010 12:22AM)
If your folks don't want you performing it - respect them and listen...

otherwise, they may make it tough to pursue other parts of magic.
Message: Posted by: Hansel (Jan 10, 2010 12:45AM)
A kid doing Stigmata....WEIRD!
But show to your parents what really is going on...maybe this help in the bad idea that they have about the effect.
My best,
Hansel!
Message: Posted by: stijnhommes (Jan 12, 2010 03:53AM)
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On 2010-01-08 23:05, MagicRocks wrote:
As I am still a kid, my parents did not allow me to perform stigmata (W:H) after I showed them. They said it was kind of evil and eerie. However, the reaction was good. Should I stop performing or continue ?
[/quote] Well, eerie is exactly the idea you're going for, but it's the evil part that's causing problems. Instead of performing it behind their back or not doing it at all and feel miserable, try having an open discussion with them to find out why they think it's evil. If you can convince them there's nothing supernatural or evil going on, they might feel differently.

If that doesn't work, you can try to find variations with a less painful and eerie-looking reveal like Richard Ferguson's Tagged.

Good luck.
Message: Posted by: kenb123 (Jan 13, 2010 03:52PM)
You don't say how old you are, but being a parent I can see where your parents could have an issue with this. Look at Pyro Perception, not exactly the same effect, but the reveal is pretty freaky also.
Message: Posted by: tallaznguy (Jan 17, 2010 11:36PM)
I agree with MacGyverMagic that you should make sure your parents know there is actually nothing paranormal or evil happening when performing Stigmata.

Your parents and some audiences may be more comfortable with a different presentation of the same reveal. Stigmata doesn't have to be presented as a dark effect.

Does anyone remember MagicEye books? At first glance, the pictures look like nothing. But if you look at them just the right way, an image starts to appear, and once your eyes are focused, the image becomes apparent. Just an idea.
Message: Posted by: Tim Hannig (Jan 27, 2010 12:00PM)
Hey man, you can never go wrong showing honor to your parents.

There are so many cool things you can do with magic, so I wouldn't sweat it if my parents didn't like me going "bizarre". I'd want their support, but that's just me!
Message: Posted by: Renaldo (Jan 27, 2010 10:17PM)
A kid doing Stigmata? Why not?

The first time I learned the method of this effect was in elementary school. It was published in one of the free magazines you'd get every month, maybe it was called Dynamite. I wonder if Wayne had a free subscription too. :lol:
Message: Posted by: acer (Feb 20, 2010 07:01PM)
The fact that your parents said that was kind of evil is a proof that your presentation was excellent ! Continue in magic !
Message: Posted by: Mysterious Mike (Feb 23, 2010 01:41AM)
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On 2010-02-20 20:01, acer wrote:
The fact that your parents said that was kind of evil is a proof that your presentation was excellent ! Continue in magic !
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I agree, you are obviously doing a good job. Normally I would never give this advice, but perhaps you should reveal the method to your parents. Then maybe they will not feel so freaked out by the effect.
Message: Posted by: bicycle66 (Mar 16, 2010 08:53AM)
There are the 2 sides to the coin respect your parents wishes or.....not (and don't get caught):bg: There are tons of effects taht get great reactions that you can always wait and do Stigmata at a later time or whatever the new miracle is there will always be something....thinking the devil inside you could use this to get your parents to buy you that other great effect that you want that they accept you doing....just thoughts.....Sean.
Message: Posted by: RobertlewisIR (Mar 17, 2010 03:21AM)
I don't know how old you are, and I think that does make a difference.

I don't want to advise you to go against what your parents say, because that's just likely to cause more problems. However, parents who stifle their children's creative growth or expression (with the exception of things that are actually dangerous) are one of my biggest pet peeves. I say, if it's something you like doing, keep doing it. You're not harming anyone.

The best solution would be to reason with them, though. I don't know your parents, so I don't know if it's possible (that they say it's "evil" makes me suspect perhaps not, but I might be reading into this more than I should). Especially if you're on the older side of "still a kid," ask them to justify their thoughts on the matter. Politely. Obviously, since there's no real harm being done (and as far as I know, you're not actually making pacts with demons to achieve your effects), they'll be hard pressed to do so, and forcing them (again politely) to realize this might get them to come around.

But that only works with certain types of people. Unless I knew more about you and your family, I couldn't really offer advice.

I will say this, though. Before I started in magic, I was (and still remain) a writer. And there's a very good reason my family doesn't get to read any of my stuff anymore--I got tired of pointing out that, just because I write about zombies sometimes doesn't mean I'm a Satanist or some such. Some people just can't be reasoned with. If your parents are of this variety, it might be wise to hold off for a couple years until you're out of their house (because going to war with them while you're still a kid won't pay off--I've done the research), but whatever you do, DON'T let them stop you completely.

EDIT: I'll also add that, if your parents are anything like the "average" family, talk to your dad first. He'll probably be easier to win over about something like this, and it would be nice if he were on your side.
Message: Posted by: Amazingjim210 (Mar 17, 2010 09:56AM)
I agree with mysterious mike. I perfomed Stigmata once for a small group and one guy ran away! I had lady call me the devil. If your parents believe that the effect is real and you reveal the secret to them than they may see how good you are and support you in the future.
Message: Posted by: namunala (Mar 22, 2010 07:53PM)
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On 2010-01-08 23:05, MagicRocks wrote:
As I am still a kid, my parents did not allow me to perform stigmata (W:H) after I showed them. They said it was kind of evil and eerie. However, the reaction was good. Should I stop performing or continue ?
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The effect is awesome, you should still keep performing it. Magic is all about mystry, and the fact that people think it's eerie (far from evil) makes the effect even stronger. Don't stop performing. If your getting the comments that's it's eerie, your doing your job. Keep it up..
Message: Posted by: Zebaztian (Jun 23, 2010 02:39PM)
Is there a link with more info on Stigmata?
Message: Posted by: William Draven (Jun 24, 2010 01:19AM)
I'm not going to get philidophical with this one. The answer is simple. Honor thy parents. If they say no then no it is until you move out. While you live under their roof you live by their rules.
Message: Posted by: Cyberqat (Jun 24, 2010 06:53PM)
Okay, so I'm going to give you some advice that combines a bunch of whats been said here.

(1) TALK to your parents. that's so important fro both of you. Ask them why they don't like it and really *listen* to them rather then trying to argue or convince them otherwise. You need to really understand their feelings if you have any hope of coming to an eventual agreement.

(2) Find out WHY they don't like it. Does it just creep them out? If so then maybe all you have to do is agree not to do it in front of them. Are they afraid its dangerous? If so walk them through the whole thing and show them how its all an illusion and there is no real danger. Maybe the name or something in your presentation bothers them. After all, "stigmata" are a very important religious concept to some people. Try to engage them in a discussion of how you can modify the presentation to be something positive in their eyes. (If they are Christians, there is a whole topic here on Gospel Magic you could look at together for ideas and do get them comfortable with conjuring as a positive thing.)

(3) In the end, if you can't find a compromise that makes them happy, then sorry, you lose. Put it away and as someone else said, take it out again when your living under your own roof and paying your own way. Til then, you have an obligation to live by their guidelines.