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Topic: Glass magic
Message: Posted by: gillesA4 (Feb 16, 2010 09:31AM)
My magic culture is obviously not vast enough...
What can I read about routines based on a gimmicked clear glass, or pair of glasses?
Any hint?
Thanks in advance!
Gilles
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Feb 16, 2010 10:55AM)
Do you mean glass as in drinking glass or glass as in spectacles?
Message: Posted by: gillesA4 (Feb 16, 2010 11:11AM)
Ooops!Drinking glass! Sorry, I'm a french speaking belgian ...
Message: Posted by: Metatron (Feb 16, 2010 11:50AM)
I'm not sure of a book resource, but here are some ideas.

Alexander DeCova, has routine using a B********s Glass, ring, rope and a hat. On his video "Treasures Volume 1".

Cris Angel, does a vanishing orange juice to bird, using a M****r Glass.

One I like to do involving a ungimmicked glass is coin through glass using a [ coin.

Another thing I do with a normal glass is a penetration using a Williamson Striking Vanish type move with the glass replacing the wand. Tap the bottom edge of the glass a couple times, Strike Vanish and the object appears to penetrate thru the bottom of the glass. Very visual. Can be done with almost any object. I've done it with a Crumpled Bill, a Coin, and a Cigarette. I've even seen it done with a spoon!

If your seated, Glass Thru Table (old Salt Shaker thru Table method) is great. This could even be used to swap out a gimmicked glass for a real one if used correctly! Nice final climax for a routine.

Just a few ideas to play with.

Hope that helped.

Metatron
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Feb 16, 2010 02:58PM)
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On 2010-02-16 12:11, gillesA4 wrote:
Ooops!Drinking glass! Sorry, I'm a french speaking belgian ...
[/quote]

That's okay. I understand the problem. I'm a (sometimes) German-speaking American. I know the pitfalls of the English language.

There was a book about the cups and balls using clear glasses put out by Micky Hades publications several years ago, called (I think) [i]The Clear Cups and Balls[/i] or [i]Crystal Clear[/i]. I don't remember the author, but I'm sure someone on the forum here can remember it. If I find it, I'll let you know the name.

Also, Gene Gloye had a couple of books called [i]Tricky Tumblers[/i] which had tricks with various kinds of drinking glasses. I think there were two volumes in this series.

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This thread has more information, including the correct name of the Micky Hades book:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=284256&forum=115
Message: Posted by: gillesA4 (Feb 16, 2010 03:22PM)
Thanks a lot , gentlemen!
Let me have a look at these informations...
Message: Posted by: Metatron (Feb 17, 2010 06:38AM)
GillesA4,

Here is a free public domain book from 1920 that has some
routines and ideas using gimmicked drinking glasses (tumblers).
It also has a lot of other pretty good effects!

Great book for being so old!

You can read it online or download it as a PDF file.

"The Magic Art" - By Donald Holmes

http://books.google.com/books?id=DucNAQAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=subject:%22Magic+tricks%22&lr=&as_brr=1&cd=30#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Have fun,

Metatron
Message: Posted by: gillesA4 (Feb 17, 2010 08:18AM)
A million thanks Metatron!
I found it along with another one by the same author, I'll have them printed tomorrow! Thanks again!
Message: Posted by: Metatron (Feb 17, 2010 11:58AM)
I would just download it and use the free Adobe PDF Reader to read in on my computer. Saves on Paper and Ink. :)
Message: Posted by: gillesA4 (Feb 17, 2010 01:16PM)
I admit it's a shame, but I'm too old, I can't read more than a few lines on screen; I have the pdf printed and binded, it's like buying a book, no? I'm from the old school...But it's nice to see people are concerned by ecology!
Message: Posted by: kentfgunn (Feb 17, 2010 01:48PM)
Gilles,

The Feints and Temps of Harry Riser has, what I feel to be the seminal routine of this ilk. Find a copy. Buy a copy.

From Steve Bryant's site: http://www.littleegyptmagic.com/feint197.htm

The Walnut Trick -- Most of us "young" guys first encountered this effect as "The Peripatetic Walnuts" in Volume Two of The Vernon Chronicles, by Stephen Minch. In Harry's version, three walnuts magically fly from the magician's pocket to an inverted glass that is covered by an empty can. As with most of Harry's magic, this version is extremely clean and contains significant subtleties.

I think this shop has it in stock:

http://www.hanklee.org/xcart/product.php?productid=6492

Beware the ides of March!

KG
Message: Posted by: Hansel (Feb 17, 2010 03:45PM)
"Piece of eight" by Diamon J. Tyler
"Coin trough glass" Davis Stone version
"Silver and Glass"by John Carney
Message: Posted by: funsway (Feb 17, 2010 04:48PM)
There is a nice routine in Tarbell, and Vinnie the Godfather has a couple of Coin through Glass effects that kill.
Message: Posted by: kentfgunn (Feb 17, 2010 04:52PM)
Hansel, Funsway,

Do any of those routines use a gimmicked glass?

KG
Message: Posted by: Metatron (Feb 17, 2010 08:50PM)
Hello Everybody,

I have a few question about Gimmicked Glass(es)?

1.) Does anybody sell matching sets like M****r, B*****less, and Ungimmicked.
so all cups can be switched with each other.
Or all used at once and they match?

2.) That 1920 book above mentioned a gimmicked glass called The Demon Glass.
Anyone familiar with this?

I found a vintage 1940's one on ebay, but they didn't describe the effect or it's uses.

It looked like a glass, a clear plastic insert hidden in the glass, and a metal tube that covered the glass. Do they still make this or market this under a different name now?


Thanks,

Metatron
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Feb 17, 2010 09:36PM)
Metatron:

I don't think anyone sells a set like this. The Demon Glass may be any one of several different glasses. There's also the Okito Ring Glass.
Message: Posted by: funsway (Feb 18, 2010 05:07AM)
[quote]
On 2010-02-17 17:52, kentfgunn wrote:
Hansel, Funsway,

Do any of those routines use a gimmicked glass?

KG
[/quote]

No, but Tarbell uses a gimmicked coin you make yourself, Vinnie teaches a new slight based on his Crimp.
Message: Posted by: funsway (Feb 18, 2010 05:14AM)
[quote]
On 2010-02-17 21:50, Metatron wrote:

1.) Does anybody sell matching sets like M****r, B*****less, and Ungimmicked.
so all cups can be switched with each other.
Or all used at once and they match?
[/quote]

I have en eBook on a Miser that uses a S**T Glass and the Metal Version works fine and sounds better than glass. Instead of switching glasses I use a M**k Pitcher to take several drinks from the glass before and after the routine.
Message: Posted by: JordanB (Feb 18, 2010 06:16AM)
What about Hydrostatic Glass?
Message: Posted by: gillesA4 (Feb 18, 2010 09:12AM)
Thanks, all of you!
As Kent highlighted, the routine including the gimmicked glass is partially set up,hence it's a must, I need one or two more moves using the same props: two glasses, or maybe three, and a few crocheted balls ... Kent, thanks for the info, I'll put the book on my waiting list as I'm broooke for now! And I promise to stay away from every statue of Pompeus I could find, thanks God there are not many here in Brussels!
Long life to the Café and its beloved members!
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Feb 18, 2010 11:44AM)
The old timers used to get several really good glasses, normally with faceted surfaces, and have a person who did repair on glassware and/or crystal do the necessary modifications. Donald Holmes produced a particularly nice M***** glass that was made of high lead content crystal. The glasses often show up without the gimmick.

I think Mephisto Huis was the Belgian source of many good magical items.
Message: Posted by: reynold (Feb 18, 2010 02:38PM)
Kent:
No, but still I think they are excellent routines with glasses!
Sorry if I'm off of topic,
Hansel!
Message: Posted by: Hansel (Feb 18, 2010 02:40PM)
Kent:
No, but still I think they are excellent routines with glasses!
Sorry if I'm off of topic,
Hansel!
Message: Posted by: Metatron (Feb 18, 2010 05:00PM)
Hansel how did you post as Reynold :) ?
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Feb 18, 2010 06:11PM)
It's magic.
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Feb 18, 2010 06:40PM)
It's ventriloquism, you silly wizard. ;) He can even do it while drinking a bottomless glass of water.
Message: Posted by: Hansel (Feb 18, 2010 08:41PM)
LOL! He is practically my brother! I'm using his computer and reply when he is Signed On!
Sorry for that,
Hansel! :D
Message: Posted by: motown (Feb 18, 2010 11:25PM)
In the old Stevens Video Series: The Magic of Spain, there was a cups & balls type routine using clear glass. I think it may have done by Vanni Bossi. It was excellent.
Message: Posted by: funsway (Feb 19, 2010 05:02AM)
My nephew broke my 'glass' slot glass years ago, and I would like to get another, if anyone knows a current source or wants to sell one. Half-dollar size
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Feb 19, 2010 10:56AM)
Go to the nearest big town that has a person who specializes in making leaded glass windows. They have tools for cutting and polishing glass. Tell them what you want.
Message: Posted by: Magic Researcher (Feb 21, 2010 11:57AM)
I had three types of mirror glasses, a ball glass, a slot glass, a bottomless glass, a stage sized penetration frame, a rising card glass, and an elegant dribble glass made several years ago by Riser. His main business is high end crystal engraving and he has the equipment to do the job correctly. There is too much snow plowed in front of the storage unit to go measure them right now. They are a decent size though. I think he provided a plain glass to match the others. I did not order it at the time. Find a glass cutter or engraver for the job.
MR
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (Feb 22, 2010 09:35PM)
Old web site I think, but here the book previously referred to:

http://trickster.com/catalog/c-bookpage8.html

Terry
Message: Posted by: TomB (Jul 27, 2020 05:34AM)
Kanters Magic Shop in PA sold the demons glass copyright 1947 Mitchell Kanter.
Message: Posted by: David Todd (Aug 13, 2020 10:13AM)
Gimmicked glasses are not usually suitable for close-up work and don't really fit the category of "Ever So Sleightly" ([i]"Discussions on magic that uses sleight of hand skills"[/i]) , however , because I noticed earlier in this discussion thread (10 years ago !!) Gene Gloye's books on trick glasses were mentioned I wanted to point out that anyone interested can purchase a PDF version of these Gene Gloye books on Lybrary.com.

These are actually tricks with [i]plastic cups[/i] (such as the popular "Solo" cups and similar types of disposable plastic cups) not with [i]glasses[/i] as such.

https://www.lybrary.com/eugene-e-gloye-m-112116.html

The books are "Fantastic Tricks with Plastic Cups" and "More Fantastic Tricks With Plastic Cups".
(similar material is covered in Sam Berland's "Tricks with Paper Cups" - https://www.lybrary.com/tricks-with-paper-cups-p-273.html )

The thing is , some of these gimmicked plastic cup ideas can be adapted to using heavier acrylic or lucite tumblers, which look similar to real glass (especially from stage distance) , but are unbreakable. The advantage of the disposable plastic cups is they are so easy to work with (easy to cut with an X-acto knife or small shears). But if you have tools and patience to cut acrylic (or have the job done by a local plastics company who have the proper saws, drills, and expertise to work with acrylic) , you could adapt some of the ideas in the Gloye books (and Berland's book) to heavier acrylic tumblers. Although in some cases using a common item like a disposable plastic cup is an advantage . These disposable cups are so common and apparently "free from guile" , that most audiences won't suspect them of being gimmicked in any way.

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[quote]On Feb 18, 2010, Bill Palmer wrote:
The old timers used to get several really good glasses, normally with faceted surfaces, and have a person who did repair on glassware and/or crystal do the necessary modifications. Donald Holmes produced a particularly nice M***** glass that was made of high lead content crystal. [/quote]

Yes, I agree in many cases nothing beats using real glass. Particularly heavy fluted glass for a B_ttoml_ss glass or M***** glass , or glasses with a "waffle" or "diamond" cut pattern used for a M***** glass. The heavy fluted or diamond cut glass pattern creates a subtle distortion that disguises the presence of the gaff better than a similarly fluted plastic glass in my opinion. It's a subtle difference. This pattern, by Libbey, called "Radiant", is particularly good for a M***** goblet or M***** tumbler. See:

https://www.replacements.com/p/libbey-glass-company-radiant-water-goblet/lrsradi/64148201

and

https://www.replacements.com/p/libbey-glass-company-radiant-15-oz-flat-tumbler/lrsradi/64156421

This pattern has the upper edge of the glass clear , then a diamond cut pattern , then a fluted pattern below that which effectively disguises the presence of the M***** . The M***** edge is positioned so it is below the upper clear part of the glass, just below where the diamond cut pattern starts, so there is little danger of flashing the edge of the M***** .

I made one from the [url=https://www.replacements.com/p/libbey-glass-company-radiant-water-goblet/lrsradi/64148201]Libbey Radient water goblet[/url]. Here's a photo of it with the M***** in place: