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Topic: Even better with a memorized deck
Message: Posted by: Waterloophai (Feb 19, 2010 05:41PM)
Some tricks that are for sale at the different dealershops are particular interesting for MD-users because with their stack they can make the trick even stronger or easyer.
If you donít have the trick it is sometimes difficult to know if a MD can do that or not.
If you had the knowledge that the use of a MD with that particular effect would make it even stronger or easyer, that could be the decisive stimulant to buy the trick.

Would it not be interesting to share that knowledge?
I donít ask the explanation of the trick of course and not even WHY it can make that particular trick better or easyer.

Simply a post like: ďI bought XXXX(=name of the trick) and yes, if you are a MD-user, it is even better.Ē

What do you think or is this a form of exposure? Personaly I think not and it would be very useful for all MD-users.
Message: Posted by: BarryFernelius (Feb 19, 2010 06:29PM)
Which is stronger?

Scenario 1: "Go ahead and grab a card. Show it to everyone. Now, give it back." (Card is then controlled to the top, via your favorite method. Then, the rest of the trick proceeds from there.)

Scenario 2: "Go ahead and grab a card. No, wait; just [i]name[/i] any card." (Spectator names a card, and magician uses his trusty MD, estimation, and favorite method to control the card to the top. Then the rest of the trick proceeds from there. Later, the magician will claim that when the miracle happened, the spectator had merely [i]thought[/i] of the card.)

There are effects where the first scenario is better, but there are many effects where the second scenario is stronger and presentationally more economical.

Do I really have to make a list of the effects that can be improved using a memorized deck in this manner?
Message: Posted by: Waterloophai (Feb 19, 2010 07:40PM)
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On 2010-02-19 19:29, BarryFernelius wrote:
Do I really have to make a list of the effects that can be improved using a memorized deck in this manner?
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With my bad character, I am almost tempted to say yes....
Message: Posted by: BarryFernelius (Feb 20, 2010 11:03AM)
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On 2010-02-19 20:40, Waterloophai wrote:
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On 2010-02-19 19:29, BarryFernelius wrote:
Do I really have to make a list of the effects that can be improved using a memorized deck in this manner?
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With my bad character, I am almost tempted to say yes....
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I'm glad to see that your sense of humor is intact.

I don't make lists, but if I really needed such a list, I'd hire Etienne Lorenceau (aka 'Lawrence O') to make it for me. (The guy has an incredible knowledge base about card magic, and he's incredibly generous.)
Message: Posted by: Scott Cram (Feb 21, 2010 01:46PM)
It's not a commercially available trick (but you can find it in many books), but Mutus Nomen is better with a memorized deck.

Fred Braue's idea was to false shuffle your memorized deck, and then deal out the first 20 cards of your memorized decks in pairs (cards 1 & 2 together, cards 3 & 4 together, and so on). Have people mentally choose any pair and remember both cards.

You then have someone else gather up all the cards, let them mix them up (this will really fry anyone familiar with the standard Mutus Nomen trick), and have them deal out into 4 rows of 5 cards each. Proceed to divine the pairs, as in the standard Mutus Nomen trick (just remembering your MD pairs!).

You may need to fish if two pairs are in the indicated rows, but other than that, this is a mind blower!

[url=http://www.scribd.com/doc/397402/Memory-Effects]Of course, if you're looking for a list of Memory Effects, click here![/url]
Message: Posted by: Waterloophai (Feb 21, 2010 04:02PM)
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On 2010-02-21 14:46, Scott Cram wrote:
It's not a commercially available trick (but you can find it in many books), but Mutus Nomen is better with a memorized deck.
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Many thanks Scott. That was exactly what I asked.Preferably with commercially available tricks, but then of course whitout explanation.
The "general" advances of the use of a MD, we all know already. (I hope)
Message: Posted by: Waterloophai (Feb 22, 2010 05:50AM)
Cataclysm
(give the cards the number from your stack)
Message: Posted by: Scott Cram (Feb 22, 2010 01:19PM)
Here's one: Bob Farmer's Deja Voodoo. Instead of using your MD, though, you'd use those same skills to link the cards to the other *AHEM* needed information.

Strangely enough, this means you don't need to use a deck of cards at all in this trick, and the effect becomes much cleaner.
Message: Posted by: Dennis Loomis (Feb 23, 2010 02:19PM)
On my website (see link below) I have, on the memorized deck section, a whole list of effects that are exactly what you are talking about. Here are a few:
Rioberto Giobbi's Invisible Card Routine
Stephen Minch's Eyeless in Gaza
Gene Anderson's Si Stebbins Routine
A New Version Of Harry Anderson's Yard Sale Deck
Giobbi-Hofsinzer Strange Harmony With The Aronson Stack
Harry Lorayne's It's Not Easy To Lie
Magic Vs. Mindreading
Memorized "Think-Of-A-Card"
Memorized "Out of This World" (Out of My Mind)

Almost every one of these was created to be done without a memorized deck. And my contributors and I have reworked them to be done with a memdeck. And, in most cases, the effect is improved, or the handling simplified, or both. In a couple of instances, I have merely figured out how to do the effect with the Aronson Stack and get the stack reset in the process. In these cases, it's not really an improvement, but it allows one to do a good trick not dependent on a memdeck right in the middle of a set of memdeck effects.
At the moment, my website is still the old one which has remained unchanged for some time. But, I am actively at work on an update to the site over all (new host) and am adding articles to the memdeck section and rewriting/updating many of the existing articles. The new site should be up and running fairly soon, although it has already taken more time that I anticipated.

As a preview for memdeck workers: the new site will have my reworking of the great story effect for the Aronson Stack: the Legend of Southside Johnny. (Think of Sam the Bellhop) This was originally created by Paul Thomey and Doug Brewer and I'm grateful to them for permission to post my version. Most of the changes are minor, so most of the credit goes to them.

And, Eric Richardson has shared a truly great effect he calls "Stebbin Out with Aronson." Eric used Steve Beam's original version which uses a Si Stebbins stack, but found a way to do it with the Aronson Stack. Thankss to both Eric and Steve for permission to post it. It's a spelling effect where two selections are revealed. BUT... the ending is such a bug surprise that it's just devastating.

Over the years, one of my predilections has been to find new or old effects to do with the Aronson stack. I imagine I'll keep digging along those lines, so I'm sure I'll be putting up new articles on the web site. When I'm getting old and gray I may compile these into a book. And, I may use one or two of the better things in my MUM Columns. But right now they are all there on my site, for free, for anyone interested.

Dennis Loomis
Message: Posted by: Harry Lorayne (Feb 23, 2010 03:11PM)
Barry, there are MANY effects wherein the spectator thinks he has, or really has, THOUGHT of a card, and etc. - done with a BORROWED deck.

Mutus Nomen is MUCH better with a borrowed, SHUFFLED, deck. I teach just that in one of my books on memory training (I've forgotten which one at the moment!). HL.
Message: Posted by: Waterloophai (Feb 23, 2010 05:40PM)
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On 2010-02-23 15:19, Dennis Loomis wrote:
On my website (see link below) I have, on the memorized deck section, a whole list of effects that are exactly what you are talking about. [/quote]

Hallo Dennis,
Your website is indeed a MUST for every memdeck user. It is the most informative website I know in this field.
And indeed, the examples that you give are almost all exactly what I am looking for with the exeption that I am only looking for commercialy tricks that can be improved with any memdeck (the improvements that I am looking after must be stackindependent). I for example use a memdeck that I have constructed with my own system. Others use Tamariz or Nicola, ect.
Besides that, we share the same intrest and our quest is the same !
Good luck with your new website. Keep up the good work.
Message: Posted by: Nick Pudar (Feb 23, 2010 08:17PM)
Put your Invisible Deck in memdeck order.
Nick
Message: Posted by: Waterloophai (Feb 24, 2010 04:49AM)
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On 2010-02-23 21:17, Nick Pudar wrote:
Put your Invisible Deck in memdeck order.
Nick
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Indeed I do. In this case, one can ask himself if the "improvement" is important enough but it is a nice exercise to consequently use your MD-order in every deck.
The "improvement" becomes more clear in all the tricks where you need 2 decks and only produces one, depending on the card that is called out. In the most cases those decks are partly divided in R/B or even and odd. With a MD you can simply take for one deck your stack from 1-26 and for the other deck 27-52.
Message: Posted by: Agaton (Mar 4, 2010 06:07AM)
The only thing the bothers me with Paul Vigils Diplopia is the final method which takes me almost a minute. Doen't seem so natural to browse through the deck in 50 seconds. A memorized deck solved this. Happy me!
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Mar 4, 2010 07:02AM)
Agaton, that's what I do also. Of course you sacrifice the borrowed and by spectators shuffled deck but in my opinion it's not a lot, if any, unless you think performing for magicians. But they know clocking also. Jan
Message: Posted by: Matze (Mar 4, 2010 07:59AM)
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On 2010-02-23 16:11, Harry Lorayne wrote:
I teach just that in one of my books on memory training (I've forgotten which one at the moment!). HL.
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that's a funny quote :D
Message: Posted by: Agaton (Mar 4, 2010 11:42AM)
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On 2010-02-23 21:17, Nick Pudar wrote:
Put your Invisible Deck in memdeck order.
Nick
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Actually, with a memorized deck, who would need an Invisible deck anyway? It's one of the very first effects I did with an MD using some crimps and dirty card as marking. It's not as instant as putting it out of the box, but you can spread it instantly when you reversed the named card.
Message: Posted by: Waterloophai (Mar 7, 2010 05:57AM)
Thus, so far we have:
Mutus Nomen
Cataclysm
Deja Voodoo
Invisible deck
Diplopia
and the ones that Dennis Loomis mentioned in his post.

There must be surely much more (commercialy for sale) tricks that you can improve with a memdeck...
Message: Posted by: Waterloophai (Mar 9, 2010 09:57AM)
Birthday Card
(Wayne Dobson)
Message: Posted by: Tim Sutton (Mar 10, 2010 12:00PM)
Check out Michael Close's Workers 5 - he has a whole section on this.

My favourite from his list is Bill Goldman's Monkey in the Middle - an absolute miracle with a mem-deck.

Tim
Message: Posted by: drphil (Mar 12, 2010 11:49PM)
With a mem. deck,this is what the spectater will see a real c.a.a.n.,have them notice a blue backed card peeking out from your shirt pocket as you produce a red deck. You ask them for any number between 1-52 they say 35 you dump out the cards and hand the deck over to them. They count the cards in a face up pile and when they reeach 35 and see the card 9 of diamonds,you have them take out the only card in your shirt pocket and they will match. a perfect c.a.a.n. no math no hard moves no gaff cards just you and your mem deck.
Message: Posted by: drphil (Mar 12, 2010 11:58PM)
With a mem. deck add in some simple addition to the c.a.a.n I described above and you will now have a very impressive a.c.a.a.n. One deck out from the begining just dump out the cards hand them the deck and when they reach their number they will find their selected card.
Message: Posted by: Steven Keyl (Mar 18, 2010 09:33AM)
Here's a routine that improves with a MD--Mentalamazement from Lorayne's CC1. It's one of my favorite routines and the MD eliminates one small part of the "dirty work". Having said that, the beauty of this effect is that it can be done FASDIU as well.

For those that don't know, here's the effect:
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[*] Performer fans through the deck and places one card face down on the table
[*] Spectator names any card
[*] The deck is fanned and, as you might expect, the named card is not there
[*] Tabled card is turned over to show it is the spectator's selection
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