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Topic: Beware of Gigmasters
Message: Posted by: Benji Bruce (Mar 10, 2010 10:51AM)
So I thought I would give Gigmasters a try and I signed up. Not only did I sign up as a Mentalist, I made another profile as a motivational speaker and decided to get the best service they offer. But it was a waste of money.

ALL my gig leads from the motivational speaker page were nothing but kid parties that are looking for magicians and clowns. I get the EXACT same leads from my Mentalist profile as I do from the Motivational Speaker one. So I asked for my money back...they said no. I was a day late from the 30 day money back guarantee.

I guess Gigmasters will just take your money and run. So if you decide to cancel your membership then you better be sure you're not a second late because then you violate the rules and they keep your money. And getting two profiles sure won't help because you will get the same leads...but at least you get to respond twice in case you mess up on the first time.

Overall, I thought Gigmasters would have better customer service but I guess not. I'll take my business elsewhere and tell every performer how horrible they are. And I sure don't plan on paying Gigmasters anything (even if that means I get a rating of one).

Just thought you guys should know.
Message: Posted by: EliTheIllusionist (Mar 10, 2010 11:04AM)
I feel Benji. I've had some success with Gigmaasters, however, most of my leads (85%) are always for kids parties, clowns, and churches with a budget of $100.00.

Sometime the sweet leads come in, which the other performers and myself fight to get. It is a little pricey. I have only been a member for about 11 months, and they've already made almost $1,000 from my membership and booking fees. ($921.00)

Just wish they would cater a little more to the higher tier performers. Absolutely no offense to anybody. We're all here to make some money!

It's much easier to pick a birthday party performer than a grand opening, post-prom event, or cocktail party performer. I know some search for months until they find the right one. Usually I hear that people pick kids show performers with their visit time searching the web or Gigmasters.

Overall, Gigmasters has made me a good bit of money.
Message: Posted by: TheMagicianGuide (Mar 10, 2010 11:45AM)
Our listings appear right alongside GigMasters in searches and we only require a very small annual fee (we are mostly kid-show centric though). In fact, we can always tweak your listing content to appear higher too. In a business sense, GigMasters tries to do a little too much I think (they have grown very fast in just a couple years) - but they are losing customers in some industries and doing very well in other categories (bands in particular). It will be interesting over time to see what happens.
Message: Posted by: dearwiseone (Mar 10, 2010 11:51AM)
MagicianGuide,
Your website is terrible. You charge for that? I can't find any magician listings for any state. I've clicked on several and there's no magicians! The website is so cluttered, but are there any real listings on your site? Am I missing something? Gigmasters site is much better organized than yours, but maybe I'm just missing something!

I don't mean to make you feel bad, but if you're trying to charge people for your website, I think they should be warned!
Message: Posted by: Ken Northridge (Mar 10, 2010 11:53AM)
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On 2010-03-10 12:04, EliTheIllusionist wrote:
Just wish they would cater a little more to the higher tier performers.
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If you will read over the other thread in this forum you will see that several Café users of GigMasters subscribe to the theory that there are high end gigs to be had and its not a bottom feeding site. Just because you don't get the gig doesn't mean that you got beat by a lower price.

Being that we are just about in the same market Eli, you will recognize the name Chris Capehart. He does very well with GigMasters and I don't think an entertainer of that caliber is price cutting everyone.

As for me, I do ok on GigMasters, not great, but certainly good enough to continue with them.
Message: Posted by: Benji Bruce (Mar 10, 2010 12:05PM)
I don't deal with people I don't like since it will be more of a hassle and that is what gigmasters is. They were really nice to me before I signed up. Offering me a 50% discount, saying they would help out with setting up the profile and transfer everything for me, etc etc. But now that they have my money and I'm a day late from their guarantee, I'm screwed.

I don't plan on giving them any more money.
Message: Posted by: gmindmagic (Mar 10, 2010 12:31PM)
Hi Benji

I checked out what categories you have checked on your profile. If you check comedy magician etc. your going to have to weed thru the kids show inquiries. Just be real specific as to what categories, the leads will be fewer but more targeted to what you want.
PM me if you need more details.
Message: Posted by: EliTheIllusionist (Mar 10, 2010 01:02PM)
I actually just took out the Birthday Party (Children) from my filter about 5 minutes ago.

My leads will drastically decrease in general. But will be worth it overall hopefully.

I just looked at my "No thank you" folder on Gigmasters. It's up to 298. Only in 11 months! I should just be a birthday party entertainer...
Message: Posted by: Benji Bruce (Mar 10, 2010 01:43PM)
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On 2010-03-10 14:02, EliTheIllusionist wrote:
I actually just took out the Birthday Party (Children) from my filter about 5 minutes ago.

My leads will drastically decrease in general. But will be worth it overall hopefully.

I just looked at my "No thank you" folder on Gigmasters. It's up to 298. Only in 11 months! I should just be a birthday party entertainer...
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Yea maybe if I was a birthday party magician then they would have given me leeway and let me get my money back with 30 days and 5 seconds ;). Or maybe they would have kept my money and not cared again.
Message: Posted by: Domino Magic (Mar 10, 2010 01:45PM)
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On 2010-03-10 13:31, gmindmagic wrote:
Hi Benji

I checked out what categories you have checked on your profile. If you check comedy magician etc. your going to have to weed thru the kids show inquiries. Just be real specific as to what categories, the leads will be fewer but more targeted to what you want.
PM me if you need more details.
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That doesn't work. I signed up as a mentalist & psychic and did not put myself in the magic category and still got leads for kids parties.

When I first signed up for Gigmasters several years ago, I got some decent leads and was able to make money from it. However over the past year, I finally dropped it because I wasn't getting any quality leads. Every lead I got was for kids parties.

I know this past holiday season was slow for everyone and I made sure I was on Gigmasters through the December, starting in the summer. Not one inquiry came in from Gigmasters. I did far better with SEO on my site. At least I made money!
Message: Posted by: bunkyhenry (Mar 10, 2010 04:01PM)
Gigmasters is worth it for me and the people I dealt with are great. But, then again, I never tried to stretch the rules.
Message: Posted by: Benji Bruce (Mar 10, 2010 04:10PM)
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On 2010-03-10 17:01, bunkyhenry wrote:
Gigmasters is worth it for me and the people I dealt with are great. But, then again, I never tried to stretch the rules.
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They're great until they have your money ;)
Message: Posted by: bunkyhenry (Mar 10, 2010 04:53PM)
I only dealt with them AFTER they had my money. Why would I deal with them before I paid?
Message: Posted by: bunkyhenry (Mar 10, 2010 04:55PM)
If they gave money back for being one day over the 30 day limit, then the people who were two days over the limit would be mad. that's why they have a limit. That is what a limit is.
Message: Posted by: Benji Bruce (Mar 10, 2010 05:00PM)
The problem with Gigmasters is they forget who their buyers are. They do everything to make the website user-friendly so people can search for entertainers, etc and book through them. But Gigmasters' buyers are the performers. Every performer can survive without a website like Gigmasters (and agencies, bureaus, event planners, etc) But Gigmasters cannot survive without the performer. Their buyer is the entertainer.

Due to their lack of leniency, I lost a little over $100 which is nothing. They lost thousands of dollars. They are not going to get me to come back, I'll tell every entertainer I know not to sign up for their site, and they won't get any percentage of my gigs. And the worse part is that they don't know about it.

Any good business would work with the buyer (as long as it isn't unreasonable). The food industry is a perfect example. Unfortunately, Gigmasters will lose more money than I did because they don't realize who their buyers are.
Message: Posted by: Vick (Mar 10, 2010 09:20PM)
The biggest problem with Gigmasters is they add 10 unasked for performers to every booking request

It's an OPT-OUT and it encourages bottom feeders


Ken Northridge -
You may want to check your numbers
Not going to post some one elses #'s here but as good as Chris Capeheart is (one of the best in the business and maybe the best crash link ever) he hasn't generated immense revenue through Gigmasters this year. That may be his choice as he can play just about any where he wants
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Mar 10, 2010 09:32PM)
It is normal for gigmaster to send out requests to more than ten performers. I think the reason why they do this is slim pickens. As polititions often say "It's the economy stupid". If gigmaster only sent request to five magicians then you would get 1/2 as many offers.
Message: Posted by: EliTheIllusionist (Mar 10, 2010 10:03PM)
Vick is right on top of it. I can't stand that "checkbox" for adding 10 other performers to the gig email list.
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (Mar 11, 2010 02:34AM)
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On 2010-03-10 17:55, bunkyhenry wrote:
If they gave money back for being one day over the 30 day limit, then the people who were two days over the limit would be mad. that's why they have a limit. That is what a limit is.
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Sorry Benji, but I have to agree...

Posted: Mar 11, 2010 3:45am
Benji, I guess I don't understand...in another thread you knocked SEO/Adwords marketing yet you signed up for gigmasters??? They are ALL online leads bud.

The only reason I joined gigmasters is because they are on the first page of all the searches so I figured if I can't beat em, join em!. They are right there next to organic and pay per click search results.

Instead of dealing with gigmasters I would just brush up on an adwords course and optimize my site for the types of shows I wanted...

You were fighting everyone so hard on that other thread yet you go and join gigmasters, I just don't get it! lol don't fight it anymore! It will take you less time to optimize your site than it will to post on here
-Hart
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 11, 2010 08:58AM)
I don't understand why anyone would do it in the first place. It invites price shopping, it invites them to look at you as a 'magician' and not as a person and it seems to take away from any real chance you have to establish a relationship with a client.

As for the one day late, well whose fault is that? Are you really complaining that they didn't let you get money back when you were PAST the deadline? It really puts things in perspective though.
Message: Posted by: Ken Northridge (Mar 11, 2010 09:47AM)
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On 2010-03-10 22:20, Vick wrote:
The biggest problem with Gigmasters is they add 10 unasked for performers to every booking request

It's an OPT-OUT and it encourages bottom feeders


Ken Northridge -
You may want to check your numbers
Not going to post some one elses #'s here but as good as Chris Capeheart is (one of the best in the business and maybe the best crash link ever) he hasn't generated immense revenue through Gigmasters this year. That may be his choice as he can play just about any where he wants
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You’re right. When I first started with GigMasters a couple of years ago, Chris was on top of the chart. Like you say, he can play anywhere he wants. So, maybe he got tired of playing the games you have to play with GigMasters.

I still think I have a valid point though, the gig does not always go to the lowest bidder, and I can say that from personal experience.

Don’t forget another plus to Gigmasters is every bid you make you get all the contact information for that prospect to follow up on in the coming years.

PS I agree, Chris Capehart’s crash link is fantastic! I use it in just about every show!
Message: Posted by: dearwiseone (Mar 11, 2010 10:32AM)
Danny,
You hit the nail on the head! If everyone boycotted services like gigmasters, they wouldn't be in business. It's only by paying them that we're hurting ourselves, and allowing them to compete with us! It's a brilliant concept on their part, and it's not all that black and white, but in essence, they have us paying them to compete with us! It's only from getting subscribers that they have the funds to pay for more advertising, to get better placement, to use as marketing for future subscribers! It's a weird cycle.

Anyway I've never been with gigmasters or any other online listing agency, but I'm sure there are benefits and downsides. I've heard gigmasters rating system is a little weird so you have to be careful there.

Great discussion, I agree with Hart, Benji, if you were desperate enough to seek out gigmasters, you must need the work, in which case your money would be much, much, much better spent on SEO. Also, why did you wait until the 31st day to call and ask for your money back?

Best wishes! Benji, it seems you're not alone, several people are getting more and more upset with gigmasters, maybe there's something to it!

Kevin
Message: Posted by: Domino Magic (Mar 11, 2010 10:52AM)
One of the points I was trying to make to Benji in the SEO thread is that only a minimal amount of effort will be required to get his site to rank very well for only the customers he wants to find him. While we see a lot of "mentalists" on magic forums, the fact is in the real world there aren't very many, so if you're one of the only ones in your area, you will do very well.

I outrank Gigmasters for the search terms I want people to find me for and Benji would as well. I only get quality leads from my site, as opposed to Gigmasters where most of the time I got everything but quality leads.

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On 2010-03-11 03:45, Hart Keene wrote:
Benji, I guess I don't understand...in another thread you knocked SEO/Adwords marketing yet you signed up for gigmasters??? They are ALL online leads bud.
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Not only are they all online leads, but they are the same leads. Most of the time when I got a qualified lead on Gigmasters, they also filled out the request form on my site, typically within minutes of each other. I would have booked the show without Gigmasters.
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (Mar 11, 2010 12:32PM)
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On 2010-03-11 11:52, Domino Magic wrote:

Not only are they all online leads, but they are the same leads. Most of the time when I got a qualified lead on Gigmasters, they also filled out the request form on my site, typically within minutes of each other. I would have booked the show without Gigmasters.
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Right on sir!!! I have had this happen many times! lol *** shoppers!
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On 2010-03-11 11:32, dearwiseone wrote:

You hit the nail on the head! If everyone boycotted services like gigmasters, they wouldn't be in business. It's only by paying them that we're hurting ourselves, and allowing them to compete with us! It's a brilliant concept on their part, and it's not all that black and white, but in essence, they have us paying them to compete with us! It's only from getting subscribers that they have the funds to pay for more advertising, to get better placement, to use as marketing for future subscribers! It's a weird cycle.
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Such a good point you make, but now that I've taken the last year and a half to "build" my rating(4.5 stars out of 5) they have me by the you know what...
Message: Posted by: Benji Bruce (Mar 11, 2010 02:15PM)
Hey Domino and Hart,

I still stand by what I said about SEO. Being number one in google is pointless for me because they are price shoppers which is apparently what most people on Gigmasters are as well.

My problem is with their horrible customer service skills. Once they took my money they didn't care about my needs I talked with 3 different people at Gigmasters and none of them helped, I don't plan on ever paying them again even if I booked 100 gigs from them (maybe 101 will get me back).
Message: Posted by: Domino Magic (Mar 11, 2010 02:38PM)
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On 2010-03-11 15:15, Benji Bruce wrote:
Hey Domino and Hart,

I still stand by what I said about SEO. Being number one in google is pointless for me because they are price shoppers...
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And this is where you are completely wrong. I'm telling you because I am in the same situation as you. I DO NOT GET PRICE SHOPPERS! People looking for mentalists aren't comparing you to birthday party magicians who are willing to under-cut anyone by $25 to get the gig. You are unique in your market and people will pay a premium price for this. I've had people come to me and ask if I would lower my price. EVERY TIME that I decline and stick to my fee, they find the money and agree to my terms.
Message: Posted by: EliTheIllusionist (Mar 11, 2010 03:24PM)
I agree here. Birthday party and children entertainers will usually get the price shoppers. Their main agenda is to usually keep it relatively cheaper.

It's the more prestigious tier of performers that get the clients who expect QUALITY, which should be expected.

Thankfully, I've never been asked to cut my rate for a client. As a matter a fact, I've had a steady increase in rates. Just last year I hit the $1,500 mark for a show. I'm still enhancing the show every week on paper and implementing it as I go along. For the next 3 months, my primary focus will be the production aspect. I noticed that's what clients see as quality.

Plus everyone should be evaluating their performances and price them for what you have to offer.

Overall, you have to be a good performer and be top notch.

Happy Thirsty Thursday!
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 11, 2010 04:06PM)
Never been asked to cut a rate? Interesting.
Message: Posted by: EliTheIllusionist (Mar 11, 2010 04:12PM)
Not yet. But don't jinx me! =)
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 11, 2010 04:26PM)
That claim says more about how long you have been doing this than anything LOL.
Message: Posted by: EliTheIllusionist (Mar 11, 2010 04:44PM)
Not so sure I get the joke.
Message: Posted by: Ken Northridge (Mar 11, 2010 05:11PM)
Just nod your head and smile.
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (Mar 11, 2010 05:31PM)
Benji,

You obviously NEED a little SEO/Adwords marketing if you are having to resort to gigmasters. I'm sorry but the proof is "in the pudding"...

If you didn't need it then you wouldn't have gone to gigmasters in the first place bud. You would have just continued with other methods you mentioned in the other thread if they were getting you all the work you could handle or want.

I really don't understand why you are fighting it so hard, its just ANOTHER strategy. We aren't telling you to put all your eggs in one basket, we are just pointing out a FREE way of bringing in qualified leads. PLEASE do yourself a favor and listen to what Domino is saying!!! You optimize for EXACT keywords and phrases such as "mentalist in new york" or "new york mentalist" etc. These keywords will NOT bring in birthday party or magician inquiries. I don't know how else to spell this out out for you. You are arguing about something you clearly do not fully understand.

We are literally trying to HELP YOU GET MORE WORK! Stop fighting it! lol

Okay Domino, lets quit wasting our breath...or fingers, whatever!! lol If he doesn't want our help then he doesn't want our help!
Message: Posted by: Benji Bruce (Mar 11, 2010 07:32PM)
Ok Hart you win. I can't book any gigs so I need to resort to Gigmasters. I guess I don't know what I will do now that Gigmasters lost my service. And I plan on telling everyone who asks me about them how horrible they are :)
Message: Posted by: Hart Keene (Mar 12, 2010 01:47AM)
[quote]
On 2010-03-11 20:32, Benji Bruce wrote:
Ok Hart you win. I can't book any gigs so I need to resort to Gigmasters. I guess I don't know what I will do now that Gigmasters lost my service. And I plan on telling everyone who asks me about them how horrible they are :)
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Benji,

I hope you didn't take that as an insult. I didn't mean it like that. I'm on gigmasters! We are all on the same team here...

I just meant that you clearly wanted ONLINE traffic/leads and like me and others have pointed out it is all the same traffic! You don't have to deal with gigmasters! You can do it yourself for FREE! For whatever type of shows YOU want, not what gigmasters wants!! :)

Sorry if I offended you man, I am legitimately trying to help you out. Its just funny to me that you are fighting it so hard and I have no idea why, that's all. You can lead a horse to water but...you know the rest.
Message: Posted by: Benji Bruce (Mar 12, 2010 02:10AM)
Hart I know you're trying to help and I didn't take any offense.

Posted: Mar 12, 2010 3:12am
And it's a good thing I'm not a horse.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jun 13, 2012 07:19PM)
Did you go back to Gigmasters? Just curious.
Message: Posted by: denny_Corby (Jun 15, 2012 01:54PM)
Highly doubt he did. I am a member and I don't get crap from it but it is another place where I am visible. I think the more places you are seen and your name is on the better it is for you. It can't hurt. In my opinion when I do research the more a product, person, or whatever shows up on other "reputable" sites and places the more likely I will probably guy that product.
Message: Posted by: David Thiel (Jun 16, 2012 11:34AM)
I've been on GM for a while and have had a measure of success with it.

You have to realize that it's nothing more than a lead generation service. People in the market for a performer will post there. But YOU still need to make the phone call, send the materials and follow up.

There's still a measure of goofy stuff that comes through: small family events 400 miles away from me. But they are easy to decline.

There are the leads that come through and result in GM sales, upping your total...but there are also a LOT of gigs that come up, get sold, then performed and never get listed on GM. I'm not sure what's happening there -- to be honest. I reply to a prospect and the thing goes through to become a sale. I report it like I am supposed to and nothing happens. I think the client may be avoiding the commission...but on the times when I've told GM about it, GM hasn't seemed to care one way or the other.

I am just happy to have another source of leads through GM.

But if you're sitting and waiting for GM to sell you, I hope you've chosen a comfortable chair.

David
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Jun 17, 2012 06:24AM)
I gave up GM a couple years ago. I now beat GM at SEO. It is no use for me to join them again. If I did, I will be making the competition harder. "Never play a business at it's own game".
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jun 19, 2012 03:37PM)
I was on the verge of not renewing when I got a call for two big shows. The clients called me, they did not send those silly inquiries with add ons. One was for December last year and another one for spring this yr. I booked both and decided to expand to 3000 mile radius. I also expanded video and photo page. If it does not pay off I will cancel. I do understand how most feel about them. It was mentioned it is like clients are shopping for commodities. I dig it.

Also, I have no reviews and no stars. Who cares? Look at the fees they are booking these for. I can get more then that working security doing nothing but staying awake. Im not talking about bday parties either. Corporate gigs for pocket change, should be a law.

PS: Plus I am in the eternal order here at the Magic Café. The coffee taste a lot better now as I surf around during unheard of hours. ;) :coffee:
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 9, 2012 10:27PM)
Does any G.M. members not use the add-on feature? I am afraid not to use it for loss of potential clients.
Message: Posted by: jonascain (Oct 11, 2016 09:15PM)
I've had success with Gig Masters. Mostly kid's parties, but I just charge $20 more so when I pay Gig Masters I'm still getting my full rate. That's my only complaint about the service. They charge a yearly fee and then, when the service works and you get work, you have to pay again. Perhaps entertainers should try a similar tactic. Charge our clients a fee even when we don't perform, and then when we actually do perform, charge them again. I used to be more perturbed by it, but I'm making decent money from them so I don't mind so much.

Peace-
Jonas
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Oct 11, 2016 09:34PM)
That's not necessarily true. You as the artist have the choice of paying the fee yourself or having the client pay for it at no charge to you. Seems you're kind of taking it out of context.
Message: Posted by: Tim Friday (Oct 12, 2016 12:09PM)
I choose to always pay the fee because if I were the client and I had worked out all the details with the performer then I get hit with a surprise fee from gigmasters it would tick me off, so I always pay it.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Oct 26, 2016 11:56PM)
I am happy with GM. No prob at all
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Oct 30, 2016 06:34PM)
Still getting gigs from them.....and have a 5 star rating.
Message: Posted by: Yehoshua (Nov 14, 2016 07:23PM)
Technically, the annual fee and the booking fee are not just GM "charging you twice". The annual fee is for GM to advertise you and to provide you better visibility, whereas the booking fee is paying for them putting you in touch with that client, as well as handling all of the transactional details, etc.

That being said, I'm not sure I'm a huge fan of them, but I've used them before to some minor success. Still, I don't think it helps clients to understand our trade and how different we all are when we're all grouped together and sorted more by price than what we offer.
Message: Posted by: disneywld (Nov 15, 2016 10:09AM)
I'm not on Gigmasters, but I have a magician friend who is. He runs into conflicts and I'll fill the spot from time to time. He tends to low bid on shows, getting the work, but then if something better comes along, I get it. Taking into consideration the fees I'd be paying, I come out okay.
Message: Posted by: obrienmagic (Nov 15, 2016 10:09PM)
I have had more luck on craigslist and gig salad than I have with GM...
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 16, 2016 09:21PM)
[quote]On Nov 15, 2016, obrienmagic wrote:
I have had more luck on craigslist and gig salad than I have with GM... [/quote]

Interesting, I still have a love hate relationship with G.M. Sometimes I am practically booked and the client backs out.....happened several times this year. Also they raised their fees and wont let you cancel membership unless you call them which I really loathe.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 25, 2019 09:25PM)
Been a while but did anyone notice Gigmasters is changing their name to "The Bash?" I have been having success with them lately but I am advertised under speakers. Now they come up with this silly name change which makes absolutely no sense. They said they are changing their brand. Wonder if someone actually gets paid to make these decisions.

PS: I know people hate booking websites but I use a combination of marketing avenues. If nothing else, GM had great SEO.