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Topic: After the cascade..
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Mar 20, 2010 12:15PM)
So, I *think* I have master the cascade.. (what would be the check points of mastery) What should be my next pattern or trick to work on?


Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Mar 20, 2010 12:40PM)
The Dave Finnigan book "The complete juggler" is usually up on ebay used. Do not pay more that the $10 list price for it.

If you try one over the top one hand at a time you should soon master juggling ping pong.

There are many juggling tutorial web sites that you can go to.

You know Kevin we only live 3,000 miles apart, so why don't you come on over tomorrow for lunch. It is supposed to be 75 degrees and sunny tomorrow.

Keep your eyes in the skies
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Mar 20, 2010 02:40PM)
Al, on your recommendation, I bought that book awhile back-full price... But it is wonderful. I have been working on the two ball stuff recently, the yo-yo and trying the oy-oy or what ever.

When did you guys first try chops, over the shoulder, the shower, ect?

Al, Ill be there on Mon-tomorrow is a bad day for me to travel.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Mar 20, 2010 04:15PM)
Chops is a bit more advanced for you now. If you got the ping pong, then why don't you try the reverse cascade, or colums. It is good to know that you have the Finnigan book this way I could be more spacific. You will get them all, but you must do it one at a time. Once I counted several hundred three ball tricks that I did. Now I tend to stick to what I do in my show.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Mar 20, 2010 07:48PM)
I just looked at the Finnigan book again and it kinda skims over many necessary three ball tricks that I think are important if you want to become a proficent three ball juggler. The cascade, half shower, reverse half shower, shower, double shower, colums, crossing colums, crossing arms (as shown on page 52). Right there you have all of the components of the Mills mess, but it may take you months to get them all. There's under the leg, under the opposit leg, behind the back, over the shoulder, neck catch, arm catch, foot catch, forhead catch, and on and on.
Message: Posted by: tomterm8 (Mar 21, 2010 04:27AM)
On 2010-03-20 15:40, kcg5 wrote:
When did you guys first try chops, over the shoulder, the shower, ect?

While it is an understandable question, my experience is that people tend to develop juggling skills at very different rates. Rather than worry too much about what other people do, I would select one easy beginners trick (say, columns), and practice that until you can do it well, and then select another. Al's list is quite good. At the end of the day, I think a lot of people kind of skip the "easy" 3-ball tricks, but they are actually very important if you want to become good latter on.

Oddly enough, I found the shower very challenging, and it took me quite a while to get it down (I still need to practice it to make it tighter).
Message: Posted by: Roslyn (Mar 21, 2010 07:15AM)
I made use of the Encyclopaedia of Ball Juggling. A great book that contains enough material to keep you going for many, many years.

I prefer it to the Dave Finigan book.

I did start with Dave's book, but it wasn't long before I'd picked up most of it.

If you want just the basics in many different props it's good. If, like me when I first started, you are a 3 ball tricks fiend then the EBJ is the way to go. There's also the companion book the Compendium of Club Juggling that's also great if you like clubs.

I'd also say start work on 4 and 5 balls as soon as. Or at least on tricks like 2 in one hand and the flash with 3. If you're looking at performing juggling I think being able to do 5 balls is more important commercially than any number of 3 ball tricks. It shouldn't take too long to learn either. I did it in 3 months.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Mar 21, 2010 08:32AM)
After taking a good look at the Finnigan book I feel that it is inadaquit for your needs. I was waiting for someone else to chime in on the questions that I had about the "encyclopedia of ball juggling" and my questions have been answered this morning by Ros. I did a google search last night on the price of this book and it is roughly about $20 used. You may not understand the terms I used in my previous post because Dave's book did not cover them, so I'm afraid that you need to spend some more money, or join a juggling club in order to take your juggling to the next level.

Thank you Ros & Tom
Message: Posted by: Chris G. (Mar 21, 2010 09:14AM)
The funny thing about the Dave Finnigan-book, is: Mills Mess is listed in the appendix/glossary as "complicated trick with crossing arms", but the trick itself is not explained in the main section of the book (at least in my German translation, this is the case). Probably, the trick was to complicated to explain :)

Still, I think, it's a good book. It's a classic, but it's not as complete as it was twenty years ago, because the juggling has changed: there is nothing about pois or contact juggling. And who needs a whole chapter on plate spinning.

Tricks to learn in the beginning are the reverse cascade, two balls in one hand, one throw under the opposite arm.

Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Mar 21, 2010 11:54AM)
Thanks guys for saying so much, and thanks Al for checking that book out-sound like Im going to pick that one up. I have meant to join a club in San Francisco, but its a drive...
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Mar 21, 2010 12:05PM)
Juggling club members are tipically young men between the ages of 16 and 30 who are over achievers, and going to juggling club meetings was inspirational to me.
Message: Posted by: Roslyn (Mar 21, 2010 12:22PM)
As always seems to be the case I agree with Al. Get over to a club.

In fact if you can go to two or three. You'll find that some clubs seem to specialise in different types of juggling. Some are very passing orientated while others may concentrate on numbers.

Oh, I picked up a lovely DVD set the other week on Site Swop. It's put out by the Gandinis and focuses on everything from 2 ball to about 7 ball (maybe more) site swop patterns.

It's not hard to follow and will inspire you to learn more.

I think there's 3 DVDs in the set. Worth getting along with the EBJ I mentioned above.
Message: Posted by: Roslyn (Mar 21, 2010 12:30PM)
Oh, with regards to EBJ try to get the most uptodate edition. Most of it is the same, but there were some mistakes that appeared in the earlier printings that were rectified in later eds.

Have fun,

Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Mar 21, 2010 12:33PM)
AL... no young women?!!!!!????
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Mar 21, 2010 12:58PM)
Very good question, the membership of the IJA is about 80% male, and there is no good reason why. Two former world champions are women, and as I understand it the European Juggling Association has a 50% female membership. The bottom line is if you want to meet attractive women a juggling meeting, or convention is not the place unless you go to the EJA convention, which as I've been told is quite a wild experience. You know there are things that are legal in most European countries that you can't do openly here.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Mar 21, 2010 03:14PM)
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Mar 21, 2010 03:19PM)
I have met a fair share of women while performing. I do real good when I'm the only juggler, magician, or sober man in the room. We dress better, and have a lot more on the ball than your average Joe. Juggling clubs are not the place to meet women, but juggling gigs are.
Message: Posted by: fettucinibrother (Mar 21, 2010 04:08PM)
Anytime you are the performer/talent at an event, you will ALWAYS have the opportunity to meet a lot more people than the average person. This includes women. It just the nature of being on stage or being the center of attention. This is kind of why performing has the tendency to breed large egos. As a performer you are the center of attention and you are putting yourself "out there" for better or for worse. Not to mention that pretty much any performer is gregarious by nature. Right?
As the line that Buddy Young says, the main character from Billy Crystal's "Mr. Saturday Night" sums it up nicely... "when you are on stage and you are killing, you prowl the stage like a tiger. Every man wants to know you and every woman wants to !@#$ you" It's funny because it's true.
AL aka Steve

PS: met my wife through performing
Message: Posted by: Roslyn (Mar 21, 2010 04:21PM)
Ah, the EJC (Euro Juggling Convention), possibly the best convention in the world. Second place goes to the BJC in my opinion.

Al's right again, there are things that happen at a convention that I can't imagine happening in the states... Not all of it technically legal, but we're European after all so what does that matter as long as nobody gets hurt ;)

The last BJC saw some interesting happenings between a couple during the renegade show..... I feel sorry for the guy on stage because nobody was watching him with the free "peep" show that was going on in the corner!!!

Crazy times.

At my first convention I was subjected to a dude on a rola bola who attempted a strip tease. The star that was meant to preserve his dignity was held on with sticky tape, sadly for him (and us) it stuck to his strippers tearaway trousers rather than where it was meant to be.

Making it worse is he had frostbite in places a chap doesn't want frostbite!!!!

I was 15 at the time...

So in short, get yourself over here!!!!!!!!!
Message: Posted by: SilvaAce (Mar 25, 2010 09:18AM)
Hey Guys, check out this awesome site. This is where I learned how to juggle most of my 3 ball tricks. I've only been juggling for 3 months and everyone that see's me thinks I'm a pro. This just goes to show you that your everyday person doesn't even know some of these tricks exist. When I first started I was amazed by the Yo-Yo move and then I saw Mill's Mess, that just blew my mind!
Stick to it, and have FUN every thing else will start falling in to place.

Message: Posted by: One Man (Mar 25, 2010 07:11PM)

"when you are on stage and you are killing, you prowl the stage like a tiger. Every man wants to know you and every woman wants to !@#$ you"

I have the exact opposite problem. Maybe I need to work different venues.